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 AndrewN Can you please confirm whether my reasoning for choosing C in Q.4 was correct? 

Most of the time the author of the passage was in reporting mode. The only time he showed some intention was when he mentioned that "Astronomers must infer the existence of black holes". Can we infer from this that the author is considering the possibility of some phenomenon? I mean, another potential option could be E, which says that the author was questioning a widely accepted explanation for an unusual phenomenon, but the author actually never questioned it. He just cited the opinions of a few sceptics and gave an example in which such a position was seriously undermined. 
Hello, thelastskybender. I am not sure that the quotation above, specifically must infer, necessarily shows intent: it can be a factual statement, based on available information. But you are correct that the author seems more interested in reporting information than in giving shape to it. Yes, the phenomenon in question is the existence of black holes. Your reasoning for rejecting answer choice (E) is sound. If you are curious about a fuller treatment of that option, I have addressed it on page 1 of the thread, in this post.

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Hi KarishmaB

I have a small query which is still confusing me in option B. I eliminated the option B with a reasoning that "other astronomical phenomena" can be whirling of gas (a phenomena also given in the argument).

If we write option B:
Cluster of stars at the center --> prevents whirling of gas

Please let me know if something is flawed in the reasoning.


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3. Which of the following, if true, would most clearly undermine the possible explanation for the whirling gas in M87 that is mentioned in the last sentence of the first paragraph?

What is the possible explanation for the whirling gas in M87 that is mentioned in the last sentence of the first paragraph?

It is: the concentration in M87 might be a cluster of a billion or so dim stars.

We need to undermine this explanation. So we need to give why the mass concentration may not be a cluster of stars.

(A) The stars in a star cluster at the center of M87 could exert a strong gravitational force without tearing the cluster apart.

This doesn't undermine that it could be a cluster stars. It is saying that the stars could exist as a cluster without being torn apart.

(B) A cluster of stars at the center would preclude the existence of certain other astronomical phenomena that have been observed at the center of M87.

Correct. This says that if it were a cluster of stars, then certain other astronomical phenomena that have been observed was not possible. Hence, this suggests that it is not a cluster of stars.

(C) The stars within many existing galaxies, such as NGC 4258, are more closely spaced than are the stars within the core of M87.

This tells us that it could be cluster of stars because they can exist close together (because they do exist even closer together in another galaxy) without being torn apart.

(D) Only one other galaxy has been observed to contain gas clouds whirling about its center as they do about the core of M87.

Irrelevant.

(E) The gravitational force of a cluster of a billion or so dim stars would be sufficient to cause a whirling ring of gas and dust to collect around the center of a galaxy.

This says that it could be a cluster of stars because their gravitational pull would be sufficient.

Answer (B)
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The question talks about whirling of gas (an astronomical phenomenon)
The option says that this explanation precludes the existence of certain other astronomical phenomena that have been observed.

It means that it is not talking about whirling of gas but some other phenomena. That cluster of stars explains whirling of gas but precludes other phenomena noticed. That means it cannot be whirling of gas.

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Hi KarishmaB

I have a small query which is still confusing me in option B. I eliminated the option B with a reasoning that "other astronomical phenomena" can be whirling of gas (a phenomena also given in the argument).

If we write option B:
Cluster of stars at the center --> prevents whirling of gas

Please let me know if something is flawed in the reasoning.


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3. Which of the following, if true, would most clearly undermine the possible explanation for the whirling gas in M87 that is mentioned in the last sentence of the first paragraph?

What is the possible explanation for the whirling gas in M87 that is mentioned in the last sentence of the first paragraph?

It is: the concentration in M87 might be a cluster of a billion or so dim stars.

We need to undermine this explanation. So we need to give why the mass concentration may not be a cluster of stars.

(A) The stars in a star cluster at the center of M87 could exert a strong gravitational force without tearing the cluster apart.

This doesn't undermine that it could be a cluster stars. It is saying that the stars could exist as a cluster without being torn apart.

(B) A cluster of stars at the center would preclude the existence of certain other astronomical phenomena that have been observed at the center of M87.

Correct. This says that if it were a cluster of stars, then certain other astronomical phenomena that have been observed was not possible. Hence, this suggests that it is not a cluster of stars.

(C) The stars within many existing galaxies, such as NGC 4258, are more closely spaced than are the stars within the core of M87.

This tells us that it could be cluster of stars because they can exist close together (because they do exist even closer together in another galaxy) without being torn apart.

(D) Only one other galaxy has been observed to contain gas clouds whirling about its center as they do about the core of M87.

Irrelevant.

(E) The gravitational force of a cluster of a billion or so dim stars would be sufficient to cause a whirling ring of gas and dust to collect around the center of a galaxy.

This says that it could be a cluster of stars because their gravitational pull would be sufficient.

Answer (B)
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Thanks KarishmaB
I am glad I asked this question as my initial reasoning was wrong.

I have a follow-up, if there are other astronomical phenomena, then why would we care about them? The question clearly asks us to weaken the explanation, i.e. cluster of stars at the center caused whirling of gases.

Let's say, originally, X --> Y (X is cluster of stars, Y is whirling of gas)
Option B says X --> NOT Z (Z is other astronomical phenomena)

But Z happens according to option B, this reduces the confidence in existence of X, which overall reduces confidence in X --> Y.

Is my revised reasoning correct?


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The question talks about whirling of gas (an astronomical phenomenon)
The option says that this explanation precludes the existence of certain other astronomical phenomena that have been observed.

It means that it is not talking about whirling of gas but some other phenomena. That cluster of stars explains whirling of gas but precludes other phenomena noticed. That means it cannot be whirling of gas.

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Hi KarishmaB

I have a small query which is still confusing me in option B. I eliminated the option B with a reasoning that "other astronomical phenomena" can be whirling of gas (a phenomena also given in the argument).

If we write option B:
Cluster of stars at the center --> prevents whirling of gas

Please let me know if something is flawed in the reasoning.


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3. Which of the following, if true, would most clearly undermine the possible explanation for the whirling gas in M87 that is mentioned in the last sentence of the first paragraph?

What is the possible explanation for the whirling gas in M87 that is mentioned in the last sentence of the first paragraph?

It is: the concentration in M87 might be a cluster of a billion or so dim stars.

We need to undermine this explanation. So we need to give why the mass concentration may not be a cluster of stars.

(A) The stars in a star cluster at the center of M87 could exert a strong gravitational force without tearing the cluster apart.

This doesn't undermine that it could be a cluster stars. It is saying that the stars could exist as a cluster without being torn apart.

(B) A cluster of stars at the center would preclude the existence of certain other astronomical phenomena that have been observed at the center of M87.

Correct. This says that if it were a cluster of stars, then certain other astronomical phenomena that have been observed was not possible. Hence, this suggests that it is not a cluster of stars.

(C) The stars within many existing galaxies, such as NGC 4258, are more closely spaced than are the stars within the core of M87.

This tells us that it could be cluster of stars because they can exist close together (because they do exist even closer together in another galaxy) without being torn apart.

(D) Only one other galaxy has been observed to contain gas clouds whirling about its center as they do about the core of M87.

Irrelevant.

(E) The gravitational force of a cluster of a billion or so dim stars would be sufficient to cause a whirling ring of gas and dust to collect around the center of a galaxy.

This says that it could be a cluster of stars because their gravitational pull would be sufficient.

Answer (B)
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Say you notice X, Y and Z phenomena taking place somewhere far off.
You say that the reason X is taking place is 'cluster of stars'. You say there must be cluster of stars there that are causing X.
But what if you are told that if there were cluster of stars, then Y and Z could not take place. Now can you say that cluster of stars must be causing X? No. This is what option (B) says.


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Thanks KarishmaB
I am glad I asked this question as my initial reasoning was wrong.

I have a follow-up, if there are other astronomical phenomena, then why would we care about them? The question clearly asks us to weaken the explanation, i.e. cluster of stars at the center caused whirling of gases.

Let's say, originally, X --> Y (X is cluster of stars, Y is whirling of gas)
Option B says X --> NOT Z (Z is other astronomical phenomena)

But Z happens according to option B, this reduces the confidence in existence of X, which overall reduces confidence in X --> Y.

Is my revised reasoning correct?

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Regarding option C, I have a query. If the NGC 4258 is more closely spaced than M87, then the wirling motion of the gas in M87 can not be explained by the cluster of star theory because it could not explain the same phenomenon in NGC 4258. This weakens the cluster theory for M87. Please clarify where my thought process is wrong.
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3. Which of the following, if true, would most clearly undermine the possible explanation for the whirling gas in M87 that is mentioned in the last sentence of the first paragraph?

What is the possible explanation for the whirling gas in M87 that is mentioned in the last sentence of the first paragraph?

It is: the concentration in M87 might be a cluster of a billion or so dim stars.

We need to undermine this explanation. So we need to give why the mass concentration may not be a cluster of stars.

(A) The stars in a star cluster at the center of M87 could exert a strong gravitational force without tearing the cluster apart.

This doesn't undermine that it could be a cluster stars. It is saying that the stars could exist as a cluster without being torn apart.

(B) A cluster of stars at the center would preclude the existence of certain other astronomical phenomena that have been observed at the center of M87.

Correct. This says that if it were a cluster of stars, then certain other astronomical phenomena that have been observed was not possible. Hence, this suggests that it is not a cluster of stars.

(C) The stars within many existing galaxies, such as NGC 4258, are more closely spaced than are the stars within the core of M87.

This tells us that it could be cluster of stars because they can exist close together (because they do exist even closer together in another galaxy) without being torn apart.

(D) Only one other galaxy has been observed to contain gas clouds whirling about its center as they do about the core of M87.

Irrelevant.

(E) The gravitational force of a cluster of a billion or so dim stars would be sufficient to cause a whirling ring of gas and dust to collect around the center of a galaxy.

This says that it could be a cluster of stars because their gravitational pull would be sufficient.

Answer (B)
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Regarding option C, I have a query. If the NGC 4258 is more closely spaced than M87, then the wirling motion of the gas in M87 can not be explained by the cluster of star theory because it could not explain the same phenomenon in NGC 4258. This weakens the cluster theory for M87. Please clarify where my thought process is wrong.


The argument tells us that the hypothesis is that NGC's core is much denser and hence if there were stars, they would need to be so close together that they would tear themselves apart. These are all hypotheses based on indirect measurements etc.

Question stem tells you to assume each option to be true and then infer whether it weakens the star cluster theory for M87.
So you have to assume (C) to be true.

(C) The stars within many existing galaxies, such as NGC 4258, are more closely spaced than are the stars within the core of M87.

If it were known that stars within many galaxies including NGC are more closely spaced that the stars within M87 need to be, then it helps the star cluster theory, not weakens it. If such proximity of stars in surviving in other galaxies, then no reason it shouldn't in M87.
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I am not questioning whether a cluster of a billion or so dim stars exists within the core of M87. My question is that whether that existence can explain the whirling gas because the question is all about the weakening of that explanation.
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The argument tells us that the hypothesis is that NGC's core is much denser and hence if there were stars, they would need to be so close together that they would tear themselves apart. These are all hypotheses based on indirect measurements etc.

Question stem tells you to assume each option to be true and then infer whether it weakens the star cluster theory for M87.
So you have to assume (C) to be true.

(C) The stars within many existing galaxies, such as NGC 4258, are more closely spaced than are the stars within the core of M87.

If it were known that stars within many galaxies including NGC are more closely spaced that the stars within M87 need to be, then it helps the star cluster theory, not weakens it. If such proximity of stars in surviving in other galaxies, then no reason it shouldn't in M87.
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