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At a certain animal shelter, there are nine dogs available for adoption. If Susan chooses two dogs at random and p is the probability that Susan chooses two labradors, is p < 1/2 ?

(1) The probability of picking one labrador and one non-labrador is greater than 1/2.
(2) The probability that neither dog selected is a labrador is greater than 1/10.

(1) The probability of picking one labrador and one non-labrador is greater than 1/2.

Even if have 8 Labrodors and 1 other we cannot get p> \(\frac{1}{2}\)

\(\frac{8}{9}*\frac{1}{8}=\frac{1}{9} < \frac{1}{2} \)

It seems it is not possible to get this statement as true using any combination of Labradors and others

p seems always < \(\frac{1}{2}\) using any # of Labradors

(2) The probability that neither dog selected is a labrador is greater than 1/10.

If we have 4 Labradors and 5 other then:

\(\frac{5}{9}*\frac{4}{8}=\frac{5}{18} > \frac{1}{10}\)

We can answer Yes to the stem

If we have 5 Labradors and 4 other then:

\(\frac{4}{9}*\frac{3}{8}=\frac{1}{6} > \frac{1}{10}\)

We can answer NO to the stem

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Bunuel can you please check the question. Thank you.
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If there are 7 labradors, the probability of picking two labradors will be (7/9)(6/8) which is greater than 1/2, but if there are 6 (or fewer) labradors, the probability of picking two will be less than 1/2. So the question is really just asking if there are 6 or fewer labradors.

For Statement 1, the probability of picking one Lab and one non-Lab will be highest when we have lots of both. That's easy to see by imagining extremes: if we had 9 Labs and zero non-Labs, there'd be no chance we could pick one of each, whereas if we have roughly equal numbers of each, it will be fairly likely we get one of each. If we have 5 Labs and 4 non-Labs, or 4 Labs and 5 non-Labs, the probability of picking one of each is (5/9)(4/8) + (4/9)(5/8) which is greater than 1/2. If we have 6 of one, 3 of the other, the probability turns out to be (2)(6/9)(3/8) which is exactly 1/2. So Statement 1 tells us we have either 4 or 5 Labs, and is sufficient.

For Statement 2, if we had 7 Labs, the probability of picking 2 non-Labs would be (2/9)(1/8), which is less than 1/10. So we must have at least 3 non-Labs (and in fact we need to have at least 4, if you work out the probabilities), and thus at most 6 labradors (actually at most 5, if you do the math fully, but we don't need to), and Statement 2 is also sufficient, so the answer is D.

With these numbers, I'd never do this problem algebraically, but you can: for Statement 1, for example, if you imagine there are L Labradors, then there must be 9-L non-Labradors. The probability of picking one Lab and one non-Lab is then

(L/9)*[(9-L)/8] + [(9-L)/9]*(L/8) = (2)*(L)(9-L)/(9*8) = (L)(9-L)/36

We know this is greater than 1/2:

(L)(9-L)/36 > 1/2
(L)(9-L) > 18
L^2 -9L + 18 < 0
(L - 6)(L - 3) < 0

so one of these factors is negative, the other positive, and if that's true, L-6 must be negative (because it's smaller than L-3), so L-6 < 0 and L-3 > 0, and 3 < L < 6. One reason though to avoid the algebra in situations like this is that the quadratic we arrive at here is often not factorable without the quadratic formula (it's lucky coincidence, or elegant question design, that it is in this case), so you often end up just imagining numerical situations anyway.

Sir, in statement 1 , IF labrador can be 4 or 5 then if Labrador is 4 then p <1/2 well as if Labrador is 5 then p>1/2.
We seem to be getting both yes and No. Am I still missing something. Thank you.
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Sir, in statement 1 , IF labrador can be 4 or 5 then if Labrador is 4 then p <1/2 well as if Labrador is 5 then p>1/2.
We seem to be getting both yes and No. Am I still missing something. Thank you.

In this question, p is the probability of picking two labradors when you pick two dogs. If there are 5 labradors, the probability you pick two labs is (5/9)(4/8), and if there are 4 labradors, the probability you pick two labs is (4/9)(3/8). In both cases, p < 1/2.

The only way p can be greater than 1/2 here is if we have 7 or more labs. So if we can rule out the possibility that there are 7 or more labs, we can be sure the answer to the question "is p < 1/2?" is yes.
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what am i getting wrong??

second choice labradorsecond choice NOT labrador
first choice labradorx<4
firs choice NOT labrador
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if x<4 than p<1/2

so the question becomes is x<4?

(1)
second choice labradorsecond choice NOT labrador
first choice labradorxK
firs choice NOT labradorJZ
9

The probability of picking one labrador and one non-labrador is greater than 1/2:
K+J > 4
than x must be less than 4
because if K+J>4 than:
Z+x < 5
thus the highest value for x is 4 (thus p is less than 1/2)

(2)

second choice labradorsecond choice NOT labrador
first choice labradorxK
firs choice NOT labradorJZ
9


probability of Z is greater than 1/10
means that Z is at least 1
thus x might be 6 and Z is 2 --> probability of picking 2 labrador (p) is 6/9= 2/3 > 1/2
x might be 1 and Z is 8 --> probability of picking 2 labrador (p) is 1/9 < 1/2

Bunuel can you please check where am i doing wrong? thank you so much
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what am i getting wrong??

second choice labradorsecond choice NOT labrador
first choice labradorx<4
firs choice NOT labrador
9


if x<4 than p<1/2

so the question becomes is x<4?

(1)
second choice labradorsecond choice NOT labrador
first choice labradorxK
firs choice NOT labradorJZ
9

The probability of picking one labrador and one non-labrador is greater than 1/2:
K+J > 4
than x must be less than 4
because if K+J>4 than:
Z+x < 5
thus the highest value for x is 4 (thus p is less than 1/2)

(2)

second choice labradorsecond choice NOT labrador
first choice labradorxK
firs choice NOT labradorJZ
9


probability of Z is greater than 1/10
means that Z is at least 1
thus x might be 6 and Z is 2 --> probability of picking 2 labrador (p) is 6/9= 2/3 > 1/2
x might be 1 and Z is 8 --> probability of picking 2 labrador (p) is 1/9 < 1/2

Bunuel can you please check where am i doing wrong? thank you so much

At a certain animal shelter, there are nine dogs available for adoption. If Susan chooses two dogs at random and p is the probability that Susan chooses two labradors, is p < 1/2 ?

Assuming there are x labradors, the question translates to whether x/9 * (x - 1)/8 < 1/2, which is equivalent to asking if x < 7. If there are fewer than 7 labradors, the probability of picking two labradors will be less than 1/2. If there are more than 6 labradors (7, 8, or 9), the probability of picking two labradors will be more than 1/2.

(1) The probability of picking one labrador and one non-labrador is greater than 1/2.

This can be expressed as x/9 * (9 - x)/8 * 2 > 1/2.

This condition is true only if x is 4 or 5. Therefore, the answer to whether x < 7 is YES. Sufficient.

(2) The probability that neither dog selected is a labrador is greater than 1/10.

This can be expressed as (9 - x)/9 * (8 - x)/8 > 1/10.

This condition is true only if x is 5 or less (or more than 11, which is not applicable since we only have 9 dogs). Therefore, the answer to whether x < 7 is YES. Sufficient.

Answer: D.
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Why do we multiply with 2 in determining if statement 1 is sufficient? W.r.t x/9* (9-x)/8 * 2
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what am i getting wrong??

second choice labradorsecond choice NOT labrador
first choice labradorx<4
firs choice NOT labrador
9


if x<4 than p<1/2

so the question becomes is x<4?

(1)
second choice labradorsecond choice NOT labrador
first choice labradorxK
firs choice NOT labradorJZ
9

The probability of picking one labrador and one non-labrador is greater than 1/2:
K+J > 4
than x must be less than 4
because if K+J>4 than:
Z+x < 5
thus the highest value for x is 4 (thus p is less than 1/2)

(2)

second choice labradorsecond choice NOT labrador
first choice labradorxK
firs choice NOT labradorJZ
9


probability of Z is greater than 1/10
means that Z is at least 1
thus x might be 6 and Z is 2 --> probability of picking 2 labrador (p) is 6/9= 2/3 > 1/2
x might be 1 and Z is 8 --> probability of picking 2 labrador (p) is 1/9 < 1/2

Bunuel can you please check where am i doing wrong? thank you so much

At a certain animal shelter, there are nine dogs available for adoption. If Susan chooses two dogs at random and p is the probability that Susan chooses two labradors, is p < 1/2 ?

Assuming there are x labradors, the question translates to whether x/9 * (x - 1)/8 < 1/2, which is equivalent to asking if x < 7. If there are fewer than 7 labradors, the probability of picking two labradors will be less than 1/2. If there are more than 6 labradors (7, 8, or 9), the probability of picking two labradors will be more than 1/2.

(1) The probability of picking one labrador and one non-labrador is greater than 1/2.

This can be expressed as x/9 * (9 - x)/8 * 2 > 1/2.

This condition is true only if x is 4 or 5. Therefore, the answer to whether x < 7 is YES. Sufficient.

(2) The probability that neither dog selected is a labrador is greater than 1/10.

This can be expressed as (9 - x)/9 * (8 - x)/8 > 1/10.

This condition is true only if x is 5 or less (or more than 11, which is not applicable since we only have 9 dogs). Therefore, the answer to whether x < 7 is YES. Sufficient.

Answer: D.
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Why do we multiply with 2 in determining if statement 2 is sufficent. W.r.t x/9* (9-x)/8 * 2
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what am i getting wrong??

second choice labradorsecond choice NOT labrador
first choice labradorx<4
firs choice NOT labrador
9


if x<4 than p<1/2

so the question becomes is x<4?

(1)
second choice labradorsecond choice NOT labrador
first choice labradorxK
firs choice NOT labradorJZ
9

The probability of picking one labrador and one non-labrador is greater than 1/2:
K+J > 4
than x must be less than 4
because if K+J>4 than:
Z+x < 5
thus the highest value for x is 4 (thus p is less than 1/2)

(2)

second choice labradorsecond choice NOT labrador
first choice labradorxK
firs choice NOT labradorJZ
9


probability of Z is greater than 1/10
means that Z is at least 1
thus x might be 6 and Z is 2 --> probability of picking 2 labrador (p) is 6/9= 2/3 > 1/2
x might be 1 and Z is 8 --> probability of picking 2 labrador (p) is 1/9 < 1/2

Bunuel can you please check where am i doing wrong? thank you so much

At a certain animal shelter, there are nine dogs available for adoption. If Susan chooses two dogs at random and p is the probability that Susan chooses two labradors, is p < 1/2 ?

Assuming there are x labradors, the question translates to whether x/9 * (x - 1)/8 < 1/2, which is equivalent to asking if x < 7. If there are fewer than 7 labradors, the probability of picking two labradors will be less than 1/2. If there are more than 6 labradors (7, 8, or 9), the probability of picking two labradors will be more than 1/2.

(1) The probability of picking one labrador and one non-labrador is greater than 1/2.

This can be expressed as x/9 * (9 - x)/8 * 2 > 1/2.

This condition is true only if x is 4 or 5. Therefore, the answer to whether x < 7 is YES. Sufficient.

(2) The probability that neither dog selected is a labrador is greater than 1/10.

This can be expressed as (9 - x)/9 * (8 - x)/8 > 1/10.

This condition is true only if x is 5 or less (or more than 11, which is not applicable since we only have 9 dogs). Therefore, the answer to whether x < 7 is YES. Sufficient.

Answer: D.

Why do we multiply by 2 in Statement (1)?

Because the pair (labrador, non-labrador) can occur in two ways:

First a labrador, then a non-labrador

First a non-labrador, then a labrador

So the probability of getting one labrador and one non-labrador is x/9 * (9 - x)/8 + (9 - x)/9 * x/8, which simplifies to 2 * x/9 * (9 - x)/8.

That’s why we multiply by 2 — to account for both possible orders.
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