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in 2nd clause of A], we have used 'they' twice-

''but they are now controlled if not prevented; cannons are fired at the slopes to make snow masses fall before they become dangerous''

is there anything wrong in using two pronouns referring to different nouns. I do not see any ambiguity here that which 'they' refers to what. It seems clear to me from the context.


Hello himanshu0123,

We hope this finds you well.

To answer your query, there is indeed an issue with pronoun usage in Option A; a pronoun and its derivatives can only be used to refer to one noun in a sentence.

We hope this helps.
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Dear experts how do we know that in A, the they is referring specifically to the older ones?

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Hello MPRS22,
Thank you for the query. :-)

Although your query is not for me, here are my two cents anyway. :-)

We must bear in mind that a pronoun is a replacement for a particular noun in the sentence. When a pronoun is used in place of a particular noun, it stands for that specific noun only. It represents its antecedent with all its modifiers.

In the original sentence, the pronoun "they" has been used as the replacement for "Avalanches". However, the sentence talks about very specific avalanches in the first part. The use of "they" represents the very same avalanches as the pronoun is the mere replacement of the noun used in the sentence. But we understand that the second part of the sentence does not intend to talk about the very same avalanches. The meaning conveyed thus by Choice A is no logical. Therefore, the use of the pronoun "they" leads to the meaning error in Choice A.


Hope this helps. :-)
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Hi egmat / Shraddha - i thought your error above was ACROSS all 5 answer choices.

Specifically (D) and (E) refers to "such avalanches"

The term : "Such avalanches" - gave me the impression that (D) and (E) also were referring to the "old avalanches"

How can one be sure that "Such avalanches" DOES NOT REFER to the old avalanches
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How can one be sure that "Such avalanches" DOES NOT REFER to the old avalanches


By definition, "such NOUNs" means "NOUNs that are similar to the ones previously described"—a broader category.

This wording cannot be used to mean the same NOUNs previously described" (a meaning for which you would want those NOUNs instead).
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Avalanches at Rogers Pass in Glacier National Park killed more than 200 people between 1885 and 1910, but they are now controlled if not prevented; cannons are fired at the slopes to make snow masses fall before they become dangerous.


(A) Avalanches at Rogers Pass in Glacier National Park killed more than 200 people between 1885 and 1910, but they

(B) More than 200 people have been killed by avalanches between 1885 and 1910 at Rogers Pass in Glacier National Park, but they

(C) Between 1885 and 1910, more than 200 people were killed by avalanches at Rogers Pass in Glacier National Park, but they

(D) More than 200 people have been killed by avalanches at Rogers Pass in Glacier National Park between 1885 and 1910, but such avalanches

(E) Avalanches at Rogers Pass in Glacier National Park killed more than 200 people between 1885 and 1910, but such avalanches


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Hello Experts ,
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No one is talking about the Prepositional Phrase modifier Between 1885 and 1910 .
What is the correct placement of the above modifier ?

Modified Option D'.

Option D'-More than 200 people were killed by avalanches between 1885 and 1910 at Rogers Pass in Glacier National Park , but such avalanches

Quote:
Now let's compare Option D' and Option E

Option D'- More than 200 people were killed by avalanches between 1885 and 1910 at Rogers Pass in Glacier National Park , but such avalanches

Here , Between 1885 and 1910 is modifying avalanches

Option E - Avalanches at Rogers Pass in Glacier National Park killed more than 200 people between 1885 and 1910, but such avalanches

Here , Between 1885 and 1910 is modifying more than 200 people


Why am I asking such question ?

Because I was confused -what is the meaning intended by the author :-
Whether more than 200 people were killed between 1885 and 1910 by avalanches.
or
Whether Avalanches between 1885 and 1910 killed more than 200 people.

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Avalanches at Rogers Pass in Glacier National Park killed more than 200 people between 1885 and 1910, but they are now controlled if not prevented; cannons are fired at the slopes to make snow masses fall before they become dangerous.


(A) Avalanches at Rogers Pass in Glacier National Park killed more than 200 people between 1885 and 1910, but they

(B) More than 200 people have been killed by avalanches between 1885 and 1910 at Rogers Pass in Glacier National Park, but they

(C) Between 1885 and 1910, more than 200 people were killed by avalanches at Rogers Pass in Glacier National Park, but they

(D) More than 200 people have been killed by avalanches at Rogers Pass in Glacier National Park between 1885 and 1910, but such avalanches

(E) Avalanches at Rogers Pass in Glacier National Park killed more than 200 people between 1885 and 1910, but such avalanches


SC67561.01


Hello Experts ,
avigutman DmitryFarber
AnthonyRitz

No one is talking about the Prepositional Phrase modifier Between 1885 and 1910 .
What is the correct placement of the above modifier ?

Modified Option D'.

Option D'-More than 200 people were killed by avalanches between 1885 and 1910 at Rogers Pass in Glacier National Park , but such avalanches

Quote:
Now let's compare Option D' and Option E

Option D'- More than 200 people were killed by avalanches between 1885 and 1910 at Rogers Pass in Glacier National Park , but such avalanches

Here , Between 1885 and 1910 is modifying avalanches

Option E - Avalanches at Rogers Pass in Glacier National Park killed more than 200 people between 1885 and 1910, but such avalanches

Here , Between 1885 and 1910 is modifying more than 200 people


Why am I asking such question ?

Because I was confused -what is the meaning intended by the author :-
Whether more than 200 people were killed between 1885 and 1910 by avalanches.
or
Whether Avalanches between 1885 and 1910 killed more than 200 people.

Thanks


Hello PriyamRathor,

We hope this finds you well.

To answer your query, the two sentence constructions you have put together convey what is essentially the same meaning, so the placement of "between 1885 and 1910" is not particularly important here.

We hope this helps.
All the best!
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