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FN,

Your question stems the following problem.

-Kroll asks for starting positions as well as ending positions.

So, theoretically lets say you were to put your current title I don't know if they would give you trouble over the generic titles you mentioned. This would and could cause you a lot of stress because although I think you will pass the Kroll Verification they will delay their process and trust me that is very stressful!

Your best bet, address this in your optional essay devote a line or 2 in it. Adcom's are very open to this idea. As a matter of fact I have a friend who e-mailed a UVA adcom about a situation and they suggested this method.
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Thanks eeter1...

well i already submitted my applications so i guess i will have to correct it when i fill out the kroll form..or have our HR draft letter..explaining the internal title vs generic title..

starting title..man that was 9 years, luckily is the same..its just when i was in a rotational program at work..we had a generic HR title but title were different for each organization i was on assignment with..



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FN,

Your question stems the following problem.

-Kroll asks for starting positions as well as ending positions.

So, theoretically lets say you were to put your current title I don't know if they would give you trouble over the generic titles you mentioned. This would and could cause you a lot of stress because although I think you will pass the Kroll Verification they will delay their process and trust me that is very stressful!

Your best bet, address this in your optional essay devote a line or 2 in it. Adcom's are very open to this idea. As a matter of fact I have a friend who e-mailed a UVA adcom about a situation and they suggested this method.
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so i have a question, throughout my career i have worked for the same company, a rather large one...so whenever i worked for different organizations within the same company, we had different internal titles but from HR perspective we had like a "universal job title"..

for instance..if i worked as a product manager, my internal title would be "product manager", however from HR perspective it would be Specialist 3rd level etc.. after our company merged, they finally got around to introducing new titles i.e more specific to job/role etc, more inline with the company we merged with... I am not sure if i should use the old titles or the newer more job/role specific title.

Another example when i moved to our sales organization, since its a customer facing organization, the sales organization gave us fancier titles..

I am just picking titles as i had on my business card..not sure what our HR has it on its record..luckily my current title is the same on HR record and our organization.
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I have a similar situation FN. I have a title that is specific to my role, but if Kroll calls up some HR admin who doesn't know me and they look me up in the system, it will just say "Manager". I asked my current boss to specifically mention my role's title in his recommendation, but didn't write anything in an essay. Either way, whether you tell them upfront or tell them as a result of Kroll highlighting it, it can't be a big deal. You didn't misrepresent your job on the application, it's just a matter of HR's limitations.
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you are right Jerz, my recommenders too used the same internal titles to explain my role and accomplishments etc..i guess this b-school verification is so frustrating that we tend to split hairs over nothing..
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I have a question... I know the general gist of Kroll. But do you guys think they would verify pre-graduate employment? Why does Kroll want to know what you did when you were lets say a Sophomore in college?
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I have a question... I know the general gist of Kroll. But do you guys think they would verify pre-graduate employment? Why does Kroll want to know what you did when you were lets say a Sophomore in college?
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That's not accurate from what I know about Kroll...They do not care what you did as a sophomore in college.
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Thanks for the quick response zoinnk. Now that I think about it I guess you are right and that they primarily focus on post-graduate work experience. On a second note I just want to tell you that wow I saw your stats 770 GMAT is stellar! I barely managed a 690! Good luck to you in the application process this year although with that 770 it already opens a lot of doors... :-D
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eeter1...zoinnk is soo good that he turned down HBS ..thats is right, he rejected HBS..after they accepted him ...thats how good he is :)

on another note, i spoke with my HR rep, and she says my company no way on earth will divulge anything besides that I am gainfully employed at my company and that even if Kroll requests for salary information, I would have to approve it and that they do not provide any title information to anyone even if I requested them..

she sent me a sample employee verification report and it just had the date i started working at my company, my present work location, (salary info, since I approved her to access that info) and thats it...Bottom line, the company will only acknowledge that i work there and if they need any more info, which cannot be more than date of employment and current salary, will only be provided if I have send to HR a written letter approving them to go ahead.

her answer was if any school or kroll asks for anything else, tell em they aint getting it..

as for even doing a cursory verification on my recommender, my HR rep said my recommender in my case the "head hancho" will have to send an approval form in writting that HR release his employment verification.
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FN you should be cool with what you just said too... Just trying to give you my input bro.

Umm when Kroll does not get salary information, they will then ask you for either pay stub or paystub with bonus confirmation in some cases W2's. This is what I have been picking up on the threads.

You should be totally fine tho, I went ahead and told my HR (I had a similar issue) and already told them to give salary information so that headache would not come up..
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Your help will be appreciated....
I am wondering what Kroll exactly check regarding my work backgrounds...
I worked on 5 or 6 diffrent places while in college (mostly part time), and i had 2 internships at the end of college, and hold 2 different position at my current company....my questions is that do Kroll care about my part time jobs while in school?
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Your help will be appreciated....
I am wondering what Kroll exactly check regarding my work backgrounds...
I worked on 5 or 6 diffrent places while in college (mostly part time), and i had 2 internships at the end of college, and hold 2 different position at my current company....my questions is that do Kroll care about my part time jobs while in school?
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The only way they will ever know about them is if you thell them. Just to clear up some common misconceptions about background checks, there is no master employment database that contains a record of every job that you have ever had. It just doesn't exist. So, if you don't tell Kroll about it, then they will never look to verify you worked there.
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I still don't have access to kroll, so I don't know how it works . But what if I have all these jobs on my applications? Do kroll check everything on apps? I'm worried about some start/ end dates? Thanks
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arshia22-

At Wharton, Kroll asked only for the current job and the previous employer. As a matter of fact, you dont even get a choice which employers get checked. Whatever you put in the application under the employment section (At Wharton they only asked for current and one previous employer) is auto-populated in the Kroll form.

So I guess if in your school's application, you put down some company under the employment section, that is what they will check.

They do check the start dates, end dates (by calling the employer in my case) and then verify your salary and the bonus. In my case I had to fax my previous companies's paychecks (thankfully I still had them!) and my past W-2s. Fairly standard..once again, whatever you put in the employment section in the application is verified.

I am not sure how your part-time jobs will be reflected..if you reflected them as part-time in your application form and gave the correct start-end dates then you shouldn't have anything to worry about. I think most applicants dont even put down their college part-time jobs (I didn't and Wharton didn't even ask for it).
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Just to clarify jb32's point above-

It's not like you TELL Kroll anything. Kroll is auto-populated with whatever you told the school. You barely have any room to tell Kroll anything differently. You just look at what Kroll has got from the school and signoff on it.

Atleast that was the case at Wharton.
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thanks sterny,
I don't have any issues with my professional background after college, but just some part time jobs like working as a waiter in a restaurant while in college.... I had to put all those part time jobs on my apps.... My question is do they really care to call those employers as well? I had 4 or 5 while I was in college...thank you
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arshia22-

I don't think Kroll or your school is going to check those part-time jobs (waiter etc.). They are mainly focussed only on post-graduation jobs.

Once again, my experience is limited with Wharton, but thats what they checked.
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okay i have question: i worked in a non-profit in Pakistan, for less than 3 months, I left during the probation period and thereafter joined a firm in Saudi in September but who only put me on their payroll after the probation ended, thats is, mid-December... so now when they do the background check, its highly unlikely that the company in Pakistan will have a record of me unless they do a proper paper trail search, which is unlikely given their environmental stance. Same concern regarding the firm in Saudi.. anyone got any clues on how this works out for internationals in such cases?
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Perspective: I have a few friends that have jobs in Virginia that require security clearance. Their employer uses Kroll for screening/verification purposes and I've heard that the Kroll process can cost more than $50k per employee. So, how much digging do you think Kroll is going to do for a few hundred bucks? If they find a discrepancy in your app, they'll notify the school and you'll have a chance to explain. If you can't explain it...then you've got a problem.
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50k per employeeee?? wow that's a crazy number.
Yea I thought they only take $65 to check us. That really puts it into perspective.
Anybody knows how long does the whole process typically takes?...or does it varies a lot case by case?
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I've been stressing about this a bit. I got a promotion last summer, I got a significant step up in responsibility, a significant raise and was moved to a new office. Then when we began preping for my annual review everyone, me, my boss, my group manager, my director, etc. was kinda surprised to find out that I was still a level 1 instead of a level 2. I've been doing the job of a level 3 for months now, I listed on my resume that I'm a level 2 because I honestly thought I was (who gives away the money but not the title? isn't it supposed to be the other way around?).

I don't have an admit yet, I'm holding out hope for CBS and I'm on the waitlist at Georgetown, but I'm worried that even if I get admitted I'll be ding'd because my job title isn't what I said it was.
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