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In American English, public is taken as singular. hence, E is correct. But In British English, public can be either singular or plural. But GMAT is American

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Is collective noun a rule, always considered singular?
If not, how to determine here if singular or plural is correct?
Hello, shanks2020. Yes, collective nouns such as merchandise (i.e. goods) and team are considered singular in American English. About the only category of words you need to be careful about is counting words: amount, number, percent, and so on. For example, while number appears to be a singular word, you can see sentences in which the article ahead of the word, the or a/an, dictates agreement:

1) The number of women... is considered singular (since we are considering a specific number applied to a whole group)

2) A number of women... is considered plural (since we are counting individuals within a group)

I write more about this particular issue in my response to this difficult GMAT Prep question concerning one in five Americans. I hope it helps.

Thank you for thinking to ask.

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Hi Andrew. Just one small doubt. MGMAT sentence correction book suggests to look for the clues in the prompt sentence to decide wether a collective noun is singular or plural. So in case there are no clues, going singular is the safer bet?

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Hi Andrew. Just one small doubt. MGMAT sentence correction book suggests to look for the clues in the prompt sentence to decide wether a collective noun is singular or plural. So in case there are no clues, going singular is the safer bet?

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By all means, Shikhar22, if there are contextual clues to lean on, then use those to inform your approach to a question. If a collective noun occurs in isolation, though, yes, assume it is singular in American English unless it is a counting word, as I touched on earlier. (Some questions I have seen on this forum have been written in British English and have tested a collective noun split with the opposite OA, adding confusion to the topic. I remember one such question on a Chelsea player, Peter Bonetti, and another surrounding the word "couple.")

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Please, can someone tell what "its" in option E is referring to? There is no noun called public in this sentence, so how is E a perfectly correct answer?
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Please, can someone tell what "its" in option E is referring to? There is no noun called public in this sentence, so how is E a perfectly correct answer?
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"Its" is a possessive pronoun and is referring to possessive noun "public's".

This is as perfect as it can get :).
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Based on recent box office receipts, the public's appetite for documentary films, like its interest in nonfiction books, seems to be on the rise. –Here, if momentarily mask the modifier in between the commas, then it will be clear that the verb actually belongs to the public's appetite for documentary films; thus what follow like is not a clause but simply a noun phrase. Hence E is good.

Thank you for your reply. First I thought E is the answer but then I thought maybe ellipses are in play in A.
Based on recent box office receipts, the public's appetite for documentary films, like [ the public's appetite for ]nonfiction books, seems to be on the rise.

Do we need an indicator to check if ellipses are used for eg.

Based on recent box office receipts, the public's appetite for documentary films, like for nonfiction books, seems to be on the rise.
Based on recent box office receipts, the public's appetite for documentary films, like that for nonfiction books, seems to be on the rise.
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I had the same query above. Why is elipses not cosidered after like in option A?
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Based on recent box office receipts, the public's appetite for documentary films, like its interest in nonfiction books, seems to be on the rise. –Here, if momentarily mask the modifier in between the commas, then it will be clear that the verb actually belongs to the public's appetite for documentary films; thus what follow like is not a clause but simply a noun phrase. Hence E is good.

Thank you for your reply. First I thought E is the answer but then I thought maybe ellipses are in play in A.
Based on recent box office receipts, the public's appetite for documentary films, like [ the public's appetite for ]nonfiction books, seems to be on the rise.

Do we need an indicator to check if ellipses are used for eg.

Based on recent box office receipts, the public's appetite for documentary films, like for nonfiction books, seems to be on the rise.
Based on recent box office receipts, the public's appetite for documentary films, like that for nonfiction books, seems to be on the rise.

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I had the same query above. Why is elipses not cosidered after like in option A?
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'Like' is used to give similarity or in some cases, to give examples. It is used as a preposition and should be followed by a noun.

We cannot use 'like for...' - two prepositions next to each other.

Ellipsis is not the solution to all missing words in a sentence. They are used only when we omit some words from a sentence because the context is quite clear and does not require repetition.

I saw two dogs and she saw three.
What three? Obviously 'dogs'
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Based on recent box office receipts, the public's appetite for documentary films, like its interest in nonfiction books, seems to be on the rise. –Here, if momentarily mask the modifier in between the commas, then it will be clear that the verb actually belongs to the public's appetite for documentary films; thus what follow like is not a clause but simply a noun phrase. Hence E is good.[/quote]

Thank you for your reply. First I thought E is the answer but then I thought maybe ellipses are in play in A.
Based on recent box office receipts, the public's appetite for documentary films, like [ the public's appetite for ]nonfiction books, seems to be on the rise.

Do we need an indicator to check if ellipses are used for eg.

Based on recent box office receipts, the public's appetite for documentary films, like for nonfiction books, seems to be on the rise.
Based on recent box office receipts, the public's appetite for documentary films, like that for nonfiction books, seems to be on the rise.[/quote]

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I had the same query above. Why is elipses not cosidered after like in option A?[/quote]

'Like' is used to give similarity or in some cases, to give examples. It is used as a preposition and should be followed by a noun.

We cannot use 'like for...' - two prepositions next to each other.

Ellipsis is not the solution to all missing words in a sentence. They are used only when we omit some words from a sentence because the context is quite clear and does not require repetition.

I saw two dogs and she saw three.
What three? Obviously 'dogs'[/quote]

KarishmaB

Thanks for the explanation.
Any specifc/generic rule where ellipses can be correct and where not?
Usually they are often seen after "than". But still, what would be rules guiding them?
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Based on recent box office receipts, the public's appetite for documentary films, like its interest in nonfiction books, seems to be on the rise. –Here, if momentarily mask the modifier in between the commas, then it will be clear that the verb actually belongs to the public's appetite for documentary films; thus what follow like is not a clause but simply a noun phrase. Hence E is good.
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Thank you for your reply. First I thought E is the answer but then I thought maybe ellipses are in play in A.
Based on recent box office receipts, the public's appetite for documentary films, like [ the public's appetite for ]nonfiction books, seems to be on the rise.

Do we need an indicator to check if ellipses are used for eg.

Based on recent box office receipts, the public's appetite for documentary films, like for nonfiction books, seems to be on the rise.
Based on recent box office receipts, the public's appetite for documentary films, like that for nonfiction books, seems to be on the rise.[/quote]

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I had the same query above. Why is elipses not cosidered after like in option A?[/quote]

'Like' is used to give similarity or in some cases, to give examples. It is used as a preposition and should be followed by a noun.

We cannot use 'like for...' - two prepositions next to each other.

Ellipsis is not the solution to all missing words in a sentence. They are used only when we omit some words from a sentence because the context is quite clear and does not require repetition.

I saw two dogs and she saw three.
What three? Obviously 'dogs'[/quote]

KarishmaB

Thanks for the explanation.
Any specifc/generic rule where ellipses can be correct and where not?
Usually they are often seen after "than". But still, what would be rules guiding them?[/quote]

Hello shanks2020,

We hope this finds you well.

To provide a bit of clarity here, in this sentence, the rule of ellipses is not actually at play; here, the comparison is not between the actions taken by "its interest in nonfiction books" and "the public's appetite for documentary films"; it is between "its interest in nonfiction books" and "the public's appetite for documentary films" themselves.

The use of a "like" phrase to modify "the public's appetite for documentary films" indicates that the structure of the comparison and the intended meaning is that
"the public's appetite for documentary films" is like "its interest in nonfiction books" in that both are on the rise.

We hope this helps.
All the best!
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Based on recent box office receipts, the public's appetite for documentary films, like its interest in nonfiction books, seems to be on the rise. –Here, if momentarily mask the modifier in between the commas, then it will be clear that the verb actually belongs to the public's appetite for documentary films; thus what follow like is not a clause but simply a noun phrase. Hence E is good.

Thank you for your reply. First I thought E is the answer but then I thought maybe ellipses are in play in A.
Based on recent box office receipts, the public's appetite for documentary films, like [ the public's appetite for ]nonfiction books, seems to be on the rise.

Do we need an indicator to check if ellipses are used for eg.

Based on recent box office receipts, the public's appetite for documentary films, like for nonfiction books, seems to be on the rise.
Based on recent box office receipts, the public's appetite for documentary films, like that for nonfiction books, seems to be on the rise.
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I had the same query above. Why is elipses not cosidered after like in option A?[/quote]

'Like' is used to give similarity or in some cases, to give examples. It is used as a preposition and should be followed by a noun.

We cannot use 'like for...' - two prepositions next to each other.

Ellipsis is not the solution to all missing words in a sentence. They are used only when we omit some words from a sentence because the context is quite clear and does not require repetition.

I saw two dogs and she saw three.
What three? Obviously 'dogs'[/quote]

KarishmaB

Thanks for the explanation.
Any specifc/generic rule where ellipses can be correct and where not?
Usually they are often seen after "than". But still, what would be rules guiding them?[/quote]

Hello shanks2020,

We hope this finds you well.

To provide a bit of clarity here, in this sentence, the rule of ellipses is not actually at play; here, the comparison is not between the actions taken by "its interest in nonfiction books" and "the public's appetite for documentary films"; it is between "its interest in nonfiction books" and "the public's appetite for documentary films" themselves.

The use of a "like" phrase to modify "the public's appetite for documentary films" indicates that the structure of the comparison and the intended meaning is that
"the public's appetite for documentary films" is like "its interest in nonfiction books" in that both are on the rise.

We hope this helps.
All the best!
Experts' Global team[/quote]

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With the earlier explanations and answer, it is understood that the ellipses are not at play here.
But the question here is when and how do we know whether ellipses are there or not? When do ellipses make more sense?
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Based on recent box office receipts, the public's appetite for documentary films, like its interest in nonfiction books, seems to be on the rise. –Here, if momentarily mask the modifier in between the commas, then it will be clear that the verb actually belongs to the public's appetite for documentary films; thus what follow like is not a clause but simply a noun phrase. Hence E is good.

Thank you for your reply. First I thought E is the answer but then I thought maybe ellipses are in play in A.
Based on recent box office receipts, the public's appetite for documentary films, like [ the public's appetite for ]nonfiction books, seems to be on the rise.

Do we need an indicator to check if ellipses are used for eg.

Based on recent box office receipts, the public's appetite for documentary films, like for nonfiction books, seems to be on the rise.
Based on recent box office receipts, the public's appetite for documentary films, like that for nonfiction books, seems to be on the rise.

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I had the same query above. Why is elipses not cosidered after like in option A?
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'Like' is used to give similarity or in some cases, to give examples. It is used as a preposition and should be followed by a noun.

We cannot use 'like for...' - two prepositions next to each other.

Ellipsis is not the solution to all missing words in a sentence. They are used only when we omit some words from a sentence because the context is quite clear and does not require repetition.

I saw two dogs and she saw three.
What three? Obviously 'dogs'[/quote]

KarishmaB

Thanks for the explanation.
Any specifc/generic rule where ellipses can be correct and where not?
Usually they are often seen after "than". But still, what would be rules guiding them?[/quote]

Hello shanks2020,

We hope this finds you well.

To provide a bit of clarity here, in this sentence, the rule of ellipses is not actually at play; here, the comparison is not between the actions taken by "its interest in nonfiction books" and "the public's appetite for documentary films"; it is between "its interest in nonfiction books" and "the public's appetite for documentary films" themselves.

The use of a "like" phrase to modify "the public's appetite for documentary films" indicates that the structure of the comparison and the intended meaning is that
"the public's appetite for documentary films" is like "its interest in nonfiction books" in that both are on the rise.

We hope this helps.
All the best!
Experts' Global team[/quote]

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With the earlier explanations and answer, it is understood that the ellipses are not at play here.
But the question here is when and how do we know whether ellipses are there or not? When do ellipses make more sense?[/quote]

Hello shanks2020,

We hope this finds you well.

To answer your query, on GMAT, the rule of ellipses most commonly comes into play when a verb is repeated in making a comparison.

Beyond that, ellipses can also be applied when the subject of the sentence is repeated.

We hope this helps.
All the best!
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Based on recent box office receipts, the public's appetite for documentary films, like its interest in nonfiction books, seems to be on the rise. –Here, if momentarily mask the modifier in between the commas, then it will be clear that the verb actually belongs to the public's appetite for documentary films; thus what follow like is not a clause but simply a noun phrase. Hence E is good.
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Thank you for your reply. First I thought E is the answer but then I thought maybe ellipses are in play in A.
Based on recent box office receipts, the public's appetite for documentary films, like [ the public's appetite for ]nonfiction books, seems to be on the rise.

Do we need an indicator to check if ellipses are used for eg.

Based on recent box office receipts, the public's appetite for documentary films, like for nonfiction books, seems to be on the rise.
Based on recent box office receipts, the public's appetite for documentary films, like that for nonfiction books, seems to be on the rise.[/quote]

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I had the same query above. Why is elipses not cosidered after like in option A?[/quote]

'Like' is used to give similarity or in some cases, to give examples. It is used as a preposition and should be followed by a noun.

We cannot use 'like for...' - two prepositions next to each other.

Ellipsis is not the solution to all missing words in a sentence. They are used only when we omit some words from a sentence because the context is quite clear and does not require repetition.

I saw two dogs and she saw three.
What three? Obviously 'dogs'[/quote]

KarishmaB

Thanks for the explanation.
Any specifc/generic rule where ellipses can be correct and where not?
Usually they are often seen after "than". But still, what would be rules guiding them?[/quote]

Hello shanks2020,

We hope this finds you well.

To provide a bit of clarity here, in this sentence, the rule of ellipses is not actually at play; here, the comparison is not between the actions taken by "its interest in nonfiction books" and "the public's appetite for documentary films"; it is between "its interest in nonfiction books" and "the public's appetite for documentary films" themselves.

The use of a "like" phrase to modify "the public's appetite for documentary films" indicates that the structure of the comparison and the intended meaning is that
"the public's appetite for documentary films" is like "its interest in nonfiction books" in that both are on the rise.

We hope this helps.
All the best!
Experts' Global team[/quote]

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With the earlier explanations and answer, it is understood that the ellipses are not at play here.
But the question here is when and how do we know whether ellipses are there or not? When do ellipses make more sense?[/quote]

Hello shanks2020,

We hope this finds you well.

To answer your query, on GMAT, the rule of ellipses most commonly comes into play when a verb is repeated in making a comparison.

Beyond that, ellipses can also be applied when the subject of the sentence is repeated.

We hope this helps.
All the best!
Experts' Global Team[/quote]

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In the below question, why 2nd option can not have ellipses?
(1)From their early days, baby monkeys display the same social behavior that their mothers do.
(2)From their early days, baby monkeys display the same social behavior as their mothers.

Are both correct?
If not, why can't "display" be implied after mothers as in "From their early days, baby monkeys display the same social behavior as their mothers (display)? Since social behavior can not be logically compared to mothers, so the only logical alternative is to have a verb after mothers. Hence, there is no ambiguity if "display" is ellipsed. What is wrong with this thought process?
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In the below question, why 2nd option can not have ellipses?
(1)From their early days, baby monkeys display the same social behavior that their mothers do.
(2)From their early days, baby monkeys display the same social behavior as their mothers.

Are both correct?
If not, why can't "display" be implied after mothers as in "From their early days, baby monkeys display the same social behavior as their mothers (display)? Since social behavior can not be logically compared to mothers, so the only logical alternative is to have a verb after mothers. Hence, there is no ambiguity if "display" is ellipsed. What is wrong with this thought process?
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'as' is a conjunction and is followed by a verb. Sometimes, we do have just a prepositional phrase with 'as' and that is ok too.
If you were to say this sentence to me, no doubt I would understand the intent but it is not correct grammatically.
Here is the thing, look at the other options. If an option has a noun with 'as,' GMAT will give you another option that works better. That is why we say that learning 'rules' of SC in isolation doesn't make you any better at it.
You learn what is acceptable and what is not by practicing official questions.
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In the below question, why 2nd option can not have ellipses?
(1)From their early days, baby monkeys display the same social behavior that their mothers do.
(2)From their early days, baby monkeys display the same social behavior as their mothers.

Are both correct?
If not, why can't "display" be implied after mothers as in "From their early days, baby monkeys display the same social behavior as their mothers (display)? Since social behavior can not be logically compared to mothers, so the only logical alternative is to have a verb after mothers. Hence, there is no ambiguity if "display" is ellipsed. What is wrong with this thought process?

'as' is a conjunction and is followed by a verb. Sometimes, we do have just a prepositional phrase with 'as' and that is ok too.
If you were to say this sentence to me, no doubt I would understand the intent but it is not correct grammatically.
Here is the thing, look at the other options. If an option has a noun with 'as,' GMAT will give you another option that works better. That is why we say that learning 'rules' of SC in isolation doesn't make you any better at it.
You learn what is acceptable and what is not by practicing official questions.
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Thanks for the reply! So put it in short, with AS we don't consider ellipsed verb, per learning from Official questions?
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A missing verb is not an ellipse; we need to put the verb. We normally use 'do/does' to avoid repeating the verb but we must use it.
If you have to justify the missing words by saying that it is an ellipse, then it means you cannot use the ellipse. When we use ellipses, the natural choice is to do so.

I made three new friends yesterday and he made two.
I made three new friends yesterday and he made two new friends yesterday.

What would you use naturally?

As in many villages, most people struggle to make ends meet in some small towns too.
As most people struggle to make ends meet in many villages, most people struggle to make ends meet in some small towns too.

What about here?

And yes, I will stick with a clause or a prepositional phrase (with a clause in ellipses as in the last example) with 'as.'
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Based on recent box office receipts, the public's appetite for documentary films, like nonfiction books, seems to be on the rise.

(A) like nonfiction books

(B) as nonfiction books

(C) as its interest in nonfiction books

(D) like their interest in nonfiction books

(E) like its interest in nonfiction books
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In option "E" what is the antecedent of "its"?

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Based on recent box office receipts, the public's appetite for documentary films, like nonfiction books, seems to be on the rise.

(A) like nonfiction books

(B) as nonfiction books

(C) as its interest in nonfiction books

(D) like their interest in nonfiction books

(E) like its interest in nonfiction books


In option "E" what is the antecedent of "its"?

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Hello SolankiDas,

We hope this finds you well.

To answer your query, in Option E, the referent of the possessive pronoun "its" is the possessive noun "the public's".

We hope this helps.
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