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Because she knew many of the leaders of colonial America and the American Revolution personally, Mercy Otis Warren was continually at or near the center of political events from 1765 to 1789, a vantage point combining with her talent for writing to make her one of the most valuable historians of the era.

(A) a vantage point combining with her talent for writing to make

(B) a vantage point, when combined with her talent for writing, that made

(C) a vantage point that combined with her talent for writing, and it made

(D) and this vantage point, which combined with her talent for writing to make

(E) and this vantage point, combined with her talent for writing, made

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Because she knew many of the leaders of colonial America and the American Revolution personally, Mercy Otis Warren was continually at or near the center of political events from 1765 to 1789, a vantage point combining with her talent for writing to make her one of the most valuable historians of the ear
(a) a vantage point combining with her talent for writing to make
(b) a vantage point, when combined with her talent for writing, that made
(c) a vantage point that combined with her talent for writing, and it made
(d) and this vantage point, which combined with her talent for writing to make
(e) and this vantage point, combined with her talent for writing, made

Choice E creates a new clause. With the conjunction "and", this choice separates the idea of the first clause from the idea related with the vantage point. Is there a change in meaning in comparison with A? In other words, if I use a new clause instead of a modifier (just as choice A did), does the meaning of the senctence change? If it changes the meaning, why E is right? The meaning in E is not the intended logical meaning expresed in the original sentence. :s


Hi danzig,

This is in response to your PM. Let’s solve this question as I still see a lot of confusion in eliminating other answer choices even if some have been able to pick the correct answer.

Because she knew many of the leaders of colonial America and the American Revolution personally, Mercy Otis Warren was continually at or near the center of political events from 1765 to 1789, a vantage point combining with her talent for writing to make her one of the most valuable historians of the year.

MEANING ANALYSIS:

The sentence talks about Mercy Otis Warren (MOW). She knew many of the leaders of colonial America and the American Revolution personally. She always placed herself at or near the center of political events from 1765 to 1789. Now this period of time together with her talent for writing made her one of the most valuable historians of the year. She already had the talent, and now came this period. So together both the factors made her the most valuable historian.

ERROR ANALYSIS:
1. Usage of “combining” is incorrect as it denotes that “a vantage point” is doing the action of combining. This completely distorts the meaning of the sentence.
2. The long phrase “a vantage point…” now only talks about the time frame from 1765 to 1789. The focus is not on MOW anymore. This distorts the meaning.

PoE:

(A) a vantage point combining with her talent for writing to make: Incorrect for the reasons stated above.

(B) a vantage point, when combined with her talent for writing, that made: Incorrect.
1. Use of “when” is incorrect as it seems to present a condition.
2. Same meaning error as in Choice A.

(C) a vantage point that combined with her talent for writing, and it made: Incorrect.
1. There is no reference for pronoun “it”.
2. Same meaning error as in Choice A.

(D) and this vantage point, which combined with her talent for writing to make: Incorrect. Comma + and must introduce an independent clause. But the subject “this vantage point” does not have a verb.

(E) and this vantage point, combined with her talent for writing, made: Correct. This choice does not distort the meaning but rather enhances the meaning that was not very clear from the original sentence. Even if there are two ICs in the sentence, the focus is still on MOW as to how she became the most valuable historian.

Hope this helps. :)
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Because she knew many of the leaders of colonial America and the American Revolution personally, Mercy Otis Warren was continually at or near the center of political events from 1765 to 1789, a vantage point combining with her talent for writing to make her one of the most valuable historians of the era.

A)a vantage point combining with her talent for writing to make
B)a vantage point, when combined with her talent for writing, that made
C)a vantage point that combined with her talent for writing, and it made
D)and this vantage point, which combined with her talent for writing to make
E)and this vantage point, combined with her talent for writing, made

I will go for E. Its grammatically correct and more concise than other answer choices. The use of simple past is justified here because we are referring to an event that made her famous.
A is out because of poor paralllelism
B is eliminated on account of poor use of two relative pronouns "when" and "that" which makes the sentence awkward ad wordier. Moreover, we need a demonstrative pronoun to define which vantage point we are talking about. For this reason, A, B, and C are eliminated.
D is rejected because of the incorrect use of "which" as it wrongly refers to the noun just preceding it "point".
E appears to be the best answer, using POE.

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Mary was doing something from 1765 to 1789, a vantage point (WRONG)

Mary was doing something …, and this vantage point… (CORRECT)

Now between D & E, we need present simple which means she is still considered as one of the great historian of that era.

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New post 15 Feb 2007, 15:04
E for parallelism

Mercy was || point made

D is wrong because "which" clause is awkward
... which combined with X to make her ...
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Mary was doing something from 1765 to 1789, a vantage point (WRONG)

Mary was doing something …, and this vantage point… (CORRECT)

Now between D & E, we need present simple which means she is still considered as one of the great historian of that era.

D.


why 'a vantage point' is wrong.

what is the reference of 'this' in D and E?
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arj_singh1976 wrote:
asaf wrote:
Mary was doing something from 1765 to 1789, a vantage point (WRONG)

Mary was doing something …, and this vantage point… (CORRECT)

Now between D & E, we need present simple which means she is still considered as one of the great historian of that era.

D.


why 'a vantage point' is wrong.

what is the reference of 'this' in D and E?



why 'a vantage point' is wrong.

'a vantage point' - reference is ambiguous
'and this vantage point' is precise


what is the reference of 'this' in D and E?

Knowing the leaders & being present in the political events


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Skipped D; which, to make made it unnecessarily wordy.
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arj_singh1976 wrote:
asaf wrote:
Mary was doing something from 1765 to 1789, a vantage point (WRONG)

Mary was doing something …, and this vantage point… (CORRECT)

Now between D & E, we need present simple which means she is still considered as one of the great historian of that era.

D.


why 'a vantage point' is wrong.

what is the reference of 'this' in D and E?



why 'a vantage point' is wrong.

'a vantage point' - reference is ambiguous
'and this vantage point' is precise


what is the reference of 'this' in D and E?

Knowing the leaders & being present in the political events


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I don't agree with your explanation.

"a vantage point" refers to the whole idea of the previous clause. It's not ambiguous at all, GMAT uses this structure of comma + abstract noun a lot.


(A) Mercy Otis Warren was continually at or near the center of political events from 1765 to 1789, a vantage point combining with her talent for writing to make her one of the most valuable historians of the era.

a vantage point TO make her one of the most valuable historians ...

the vantage point didn't intend to make her one of the most valuable historians, the vantage point MADE her one of the most valuable historians

(B) Mercy Otis Warren was continually at or near the center of political events from 1765 to 1789, a vantage point, when combined with her talent for writing, that made her one of the most valuable historians of the era.

when here changes the meaning saying that only when combined with her talent for writing made her one of the most valuable historians


C)a vantage point that combined with her talent for writing, and it made

ambiguous reference for it
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Picked E.


Ohh, I really like this kind of explanations.

People, please do explain why E, I cant see the logic behind why did you choose E. Please write at least couple of words.

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Picked E.

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I eliminate A and D, (make vs. made).
Choice C seems like it has an unnecessary 'it'.
Now, between B and E, the noun modifier 'a vantage point' can stand for the entire concept of at or near the center of political events from 1765 to 1789. Also, in choice B, 'when' doesn't refer to anything - there's no time period to which it could logically refer - and that's the main issue with choice B. Choice E is my answer.
I think here somewhat is an issue of meaning, not an issue of grammar.
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I picked E because the other answers didn't sound right! Can someone provide a detailed analysis on this one

As per the meaning its the vantage point that made her the most valuable historians of the era.
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Because she knew many of the leaders of colonial America and the American Revolution personally, Mercy Otis Warren was continually at or near the center of political events from 1765 to 1789, a vantage point combining with her talent for writing to make her one of the most valuable historians of the era.

A is just awful! "combining with her talent for writing" as ING verb is a modifier of the "point" (not correct, BTW), so the sentence seems to say
"a vantage point to make her (...)": this is not grammatically correct.
A)a vantage point combining with her talent for writing to make

Be very literal in the interpretation of a sentence that uses "when", B seems to say that "this point made her (...) when combined with her talent", it's like saying that a thing happened when another thing occurs, hope it's clear...
B)a vantage point, when combined with her talent for writing, that made

The structure of C is not correct: if you connect the two clauses with "and" you are saying that this "point" made two thing, but those things are not connected.
C)a vantage point that combined with her talent for writing, 1st thing (BTW this part does not make sense if we use such construct)
and it made 2nd thing
this is not what the sentence tries to say

D is not a complete sentence: if you remove the which modifier
D)and this vantage point, which combined with her talent for writing to make (...) of the era.
you're left with "and this vantage point, ???". And the "vantage point" did not "combine her talent".

If we remove the modifier in E the sentence still makes sense, E is correct
E)and this vantage point (, combined with her talent for writing,) made
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Because she knew many of the leaders of colonial America and the American Revolution personally, Mercy Otis Warren was continually at or near the center of political events from 1765 to 1789, a vantage point combining with her talent for writing to make her one of the most valuable historians of the era.

A)a vantage point combining with her talent for writing to make
B)a vantage point, when combined with her talent for writing, that made
C)a vantage point that combined with her talent for writing, and it made
D)and this vantage point, which combined with her talent for writing to make
E)and this vantage point, combined with her talent for writing, made

Hi the Question- parallelism, logical
the answer E
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Because she knew many of the leaders of colonial America and the American Revolution personally, Mercy Otis Warren was continually at or near the center of political events from 1765 to 1789, a vantage point combining with her talent for writing to make her one of the most valuable historians of the ear
(a) a vantage point combining with her talent for writing to make
(b) a vantage point, when combined with her talent for writing, that made
(c) a vantage point that combined with her talent for writing, and it made
(d) and this vantage point, which combined with her talent for writing to make
(e) and this vantage point, combined with her talent for writing, made

Choice E creates a new clause. With the conjunction "and", this choice separates the idea of the first clause from the idea related with the vantage point. Is there a change in meaning in comparison with A? In other words, if I use a new clause instead of a modifier (just as choice A did), does the meaning of the senctence change? If it changes the meaning, why E is right? The meaning in E is not the intended logical meaning expresed in the original sentence. :s

Originally posted by danzig on 17 Jul 2013, 14:20.
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Because she knew many of the leaders of colonial America and the American Revolution personally, Mercy Otis Warren was continually at or near the center of political events from 1765 to 1789, a vantage point combining with her talent for writing to make her one of the most valuable historians of the ear

(a) a vantage point combining with her talent for writing to make
Wrong. "combining" modifies "a vantage point". It's wrong, a vantage point should be combined (verb-ed modifier, not Verb-ing modifier)

(b) a vantage point, when combined with her talent for writing, that made
Wrong. The structure (a vantage point, when combined with X, that made....) is very awkward.

(c) a vantage point that combined with her talent for writing, and it made
Wrong. "it" is not clear. It refers to "a vantage point" only or "her talent".

(d) and this vantage point, which combined with her talent for writing to make
Wrong. "to make" is wrong. We don't talk about a plan, so "To + verb" does not convey the right meaning.

(e) and this vantage point, combined with her talent for writing, made
Correct. Verb-ed modifier (combined with....) is correct.

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Because she knew many of the leaders of colonial America and the American Revolution personally, Mercy Otis Warren was continually at or near the center of political events from 1765 to 1789, a vantage point combining with her talent for writing to make her one of the most valuable historians of the ear

(a) a vantage point combining with her talent for writing to make
Wrong. "combining" modifies "a vantage point". It's wrong, a vantage point should be combined (verb-ed modifier, not Verb-ing modifier)

(b) a vantage point, when combined with her talent for writing, that made
Wrong. The structure (a vantage point, when combined with X, that made....) is very awkward.

(c) a vantage point that combined with her talent for writing, and it made
Wrong. "it" is not clear. It refers to "a vantage point" only or "her talent".

(d) and this vantage point, which combined with her talent for writing to make
Wrong. "to make" is wrong. We don't talk about a plan, so "To + verb" does not convey the right meaning.

(e) and this vantage point, combined with her talent for writing, made
Correct. Verb-ed modifier (combined with....) is correct.

Hope it helps.



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Choice E creates a new clause. With the conjunction "and", this choice separates the idea of the first clause from the idea related with the vantage point. Is there a change in meaning in comparison with A? In other words, if I use a new clause instead of a modifier (just as choice A did), does the meaning of the senctence change? If it changes the meaning, why E is right? The meaning in E is not the intended logical meaning expresed in the original sentence. :s


Hi danzig.

I don't think E changes the meaning because "this" (this vantage point) is pronoun and it refers to a preceding clause precisely. Thus, the intended meaning is not broken.
Pronoun does not need to refer to nouns only. It's okay to use a clause rather than a modifier used in A. (assume the modifier in A is correct).

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The problem with choice A is modifier combining that modifies a vantage point

Choice A can mean a vantage point is the one combining.. which is not true. a vantage point is just planning the role of appositive for the preceding phrase
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