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18 Apr 2019, 23:42
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Cheryn
Cheryn , yes, they are different kinds of words.
On the GMAT, we use these followed by a noun
as a way to point to the noun:
these cookies that you just baked, these horses that we are taking to the vet,
these questions in this forum
These is a demonstrative adjective, not a noun or pronoun.
By contrast, them replaces the noun and stands alone.
• On the GMAT, these, plural of this, is a demonstrative adjective or determiner—it points to specific nouns.
Correct: She earned these gold medals in the museum case because she was a fabulous pilot.
(points to "gold medals" and not the silver medals, for example)
Wrong: She earned them gold medals in the museum case because she was a fabulous pilot.
(them is an object pronoun, not an adjective and determiner)
Incorrect on the GMAT (and in formal writing):
I am impressed by her many medals and surprised that she won all these so quickly.
Correction (use them, the pronoun):
I am impressed by her many medals and surprised that she won all of them so quickly.
Correct: These chocolate truffles without nuts are tasty.
(Points to "chocolate truffles." I don't like the truffles that contain nuts.)
Wrong: These without nuts are tasty.
These WHAT?
• Them is a pronoun and the direct object of a verb or a preposition.
Them stands alone, stands in for the noun, and is not followed by the noun
(them does not "point" to the noun).
Correct, direct object of the verb earned, pronoun:
Airplane enthusiasts still marvel at Cochran's many medals because
she earned THEM so quickly.
("them" is the direct object of the verb "earned" and is a pronoun that replaces the noun "medals."
Wrong:
Airplane enthusiasts still marvel at Cochran's many medals
because she earned them medals so quickly. (OUCH.)
Direct object of a preposition, pronoun:
She was accomplished and gracious; though she won many medals for her flying,
she never bragged about them.
Wrong: She was accomplished and gracious; though she won many flying medals,
she never bragged about these.
Essentially
-- do not leave the word "these" by itself, i.e., without a noun following it,
whereas
-- them stands IN for the noun (so that we don't have to say the noun twice)
Them does stand by itself (is not followed by the noun).
Hope that helps.
13 May 2019, 02:32
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generis
Thank you very much for explaining .
so this means even "this" should be used in the similar fashion ( PLEASE CLARIFY AS THIS IS MY REGULAR USAGE)
for eg
if i say thank you very much for explaining this ( singular form of these), then it is wrong..
i should say thank you very much for explaining it ( singular from of them)..
REALLY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ENLIGHTENING ME IN THE ABOVE TOPIC ( even here i typed enlightening this and then substituted by enlightening me ......)
so kindly clarify this also.
Thank you very much for explaining .
so this means even "this" should be used in the similar fashion ( PLEASE CLARIFY AS THIS IS MY REGULAR USAGE)
for eg
if i say thank you very much for explaining this ( singular form of these), then it is wrong..
i should say thank you very much for explaining it ( singular from of them)..
REALLY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ENLIGHTENING ME IN THE ABOVE TOPIC ( even here i typed enlightening this and then substituted by enlightening me ......)
so kindly clarify this also.
13 May 2019, 22:29
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Cheryn
Cheryn , on the GMAT, as a general rule, these should be followed by a plural noun and this should be followed by a singular noun.
But if the other four answers are incorrect and one answer is logical and otherwise grammatical but contains THIS or THESE as a pronoun, choose that answer.
I know of exactly one official question in which the correct answer includes the word this used as a pronoun.
That question was published two weeks ago in Official Guide 2020.
Spoiler alert: the correct answer to a very new official question is revealed.
In this OG 2020 question, here the word "this" is a pronoun. Only one of the five answers contains "this" used this way, and that answer is correct.
Similarly, I know of exactly one official question in which the correct answer includes the use of the word THESE as a pronoun.
That GMAT Prep question was available in 2008, I believe. You can find that question here.
I would read the topic thread discussions about those two questions.
The discussions are interesting and may help you.
Almost all of the time on the GMAT, these and this are demonstrative articles.
I cannot give you a better answer than that. [In the preceding sentence, pronoun that is a copy of answer.]
I sense that you would like me to give you a guarantee or an inviolable rule.
I can't do so. GMAC does not publish an official guide or grammar book.
We know what to expect on the GMAT only from published questions that have been retired.
Some grammarians accept the use of this and these as pronouns.
Other grammarians reject the use of this and these as pronouns.
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On the GMAT, that construction is highly unlikely to be the correct answer.
Check the other four answers.
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Not quite. You should use a specific noun or noun phrase, because so far in your post, none exists.
You could say,
"Thank you for answering my question."
"Thank you for explaining the difference between them and these."
"Thank you for explaining the issue."
(I understand what "the issue" refers to because I wrote the answer.)
On the GMAT the word it needs an antecedent.
What does "it" refer to?
You wrote:
PLEASE CLARIFY AS THIS IS MY REGULAR USAGE,
You are asking about the GMAT.
On the GMAT, the typical way in which you use the word this is very likely to be wrong.
I hope that answer helps.
08 Feb 2020, 08:46
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VeritasKarishma MentorTutoring Abhi077 AjiteshArun
Why do we not connect two main verbs: HELD and EARNED using AND in OA?
Sentence structure:
By 1940, (Opening modifier)
the pilot Jacqueline Cochran held seventeen official national and international speed records, (although in non-underlined portion, one can use HAD HELD too since we are given specific time marker)
earned at a time when aviation was still so new that many of the planes she flew were of dangerously experimental design.
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Why do we not connect two main verbs: HELD and EARNED using AND in OA?
Sentence structure:
By 1940, (Opening modifier)
the pilot Jacqueline Cochran held seventeen official national and international speed records, (although in non-underlined portion, one can use HAD HELD too since we are given specific time marker)
earned at a time when aviation was still so new that many of the planes she flew were of dangerously experimental design.
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It was definitely a close call to point correct usage of coma+ verb-ing modifer: earning presenting result of preceding clause with subject:Jacqueline Cochran in (B/C) which are incorrect because of incorrect relative pronoun: that and where
