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# Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants!

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21 Sep 2008, 09:38
Darden's on-campus placement numbers were a bit higher, refurb. But not significantly so either.

By the way, you guys want to see a 2008 ranking in which Cornell lands the #1 spot (not 100% serious however)!

Discuss.

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21 Sep 2008, 10:38
Submitted app today!

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21 Sep 2008, 11:02
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Darden's on-campus placement numbers were a bit higher, refurb. But not significantly so either.

I'm curious how those numbers break down for the "ultra-elite" schools. How many Wharton grads get full-time placement through on campus recruiting?

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21 Sep 2008, 11:10
As high as 76% including offers made via career office contacts, but not those through alumni or school contacts.

http://mbacareers.wharton.upenn.edu/report/source_2.cfm

refurb wrote:
solaris1 wrote:
Darden's on-campus placement numbers were a bit higher, refurb. But not significantly so either.

I'm curious how those numbers break down for the "ultra-elite" schools. How many Wharton grads get full-time placement through on campus recruiting?

RF

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21 Sep 2008, 12:29
solaris1 wrote:
As high as 76% including offers made via career office contacts, but not those through alumni or school contacts.

Interesting!! If we assume that the 62% on-campus recruiting includes those going back to their internship employer, then it's not that much higher than Cornell's 54%.

One thing to note is that a lot more Wharton grads found jobs through school-facilitated programs (9% vs. 2%).

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21 Sep 2008, 12:57
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Quick question guys! How stringent is the Cornell word limit? I am at 423 words on essay 2. Should i edit my essay further?
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21 Sep 2008, 13:11
Quick question guys! How stringent is the Cornell word limit? I am at 423 words on essay 2. Should i edit my essay further?

I wouldn't worry about it. I've been following the +10% max rule. So for a 400 word essay you'll be OK going up to 440.

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21 Sep 2008, 13:35
On one of the accepted.com chats, an admissions representative from Cornell was asked this exact question and she said she thought 440 words was a little too much. I would only follow the +10% rule on essays with "recommended" or "average" word limits.

In my opinion, unless you will compromise significant content, you should bring your word count down a bit.

refurb wrote:
Quick question guys! How stringent is the Cornell word limit? I am at 423 words on essay 2. Should i edit my essay further?

I wouldn't worry about it. I've been following the +10% max rule. So for a 400 word essay you'll be OK going up to 440.

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21 Sep 2008, 15:43
solaris1 wrote:
On one of the accepted.com chats, an admissions representative from Cornell was asked this exact question and she said she thought 440 words was a little too much. I would only follow the +10% rule on essays with "recommended" or "average" word limits.

In my opinion, unless you will compromise significant content, you should bring your word count down a bit.

refurb wrote:
Quick question guys! How stringent is the Cornell word limit? I am at 423 words on essay 2. Should i edit my essay further?

I wouldn't worry about it. I've been following the +10% max rule. So for a 400 word essay you'll be OK going up to 440.

RF

Thats wht i thought as well! I just edited it further to bring it back to 395. Had to take away something abt "why Cornell" which I would have preferred to keep in!
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21 Sep 2008, 16:01
Bear in mind that's 62% of a class of 800 students. And that doesn't count the 14% finding jobs through the career office's contacts, a category Johnson doesn't track separately.

Of course, I'm still completely enthusiastic about Cornell.

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solaris1 wrote:
As high as 76% including offers made via career office contacts, but not those through alumni or school contacts.

Interesting!! If we assume that the 62% on-campus recruiting includes those going back to their internship employer, then it's not that much higher than Cornell's 54%.

One thing to note is that a lot more Wharton grads found jobs through school-facilitated programs (9% vs. 2%).

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21 Sep 2008, 16:04
solaris1 wrote:
On one of the accepted.com chats, an admissions representative from Cornell was asked this exact question and she said she thought 440 words was a little too much. I would only follow the +10% rule on essays with "recommended" or "average" word limits.

In my opinion, unless you will compromise significant content, you should bring your word count down a bit.

Hmmm... it's not like they count the words right? An extra two sentences can easily add up to 40 words.

I've noticed from the essays that have page limits that there is quite a variation on how many words you can fit in a page. One of my essays is ~460 words, while another one I got almost 500 in. It's pretty hard to determine a word count from overall length.

I'm thinking if you don't push it too much, they won't even notice, but everyone has to make their own decisions.

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23 Sep 2008, 21:17
Did my visit today. Overall I'm very impressed. The only other campus I've visited so far is Tuck, so a lot of my comparisons are between the two.

Notable observations:

- Ithaca is in the middle of nowhere. I thought Hanover was remote, but Boston is only 2 hours away. NYC is just over 4 hours from Ithaca. The closest "city" to Ithaca is Syracuse at one hour away.

- Ithaca is a metropolis compared to Hanover. It has a pretty big downtown and a huge university area. Hanover is comprised of two streets.

- Cornell has a massive campus. For having only ~20K students, it's really big and really nice looking.

- Sage Hall is really nice. I'm not sure when it was built but it can't be more than a few years old. It's actually not that big, so it has a cosy feeling. But I don't think there is a lack of space, although some of the students said it can sometimes be hard to find a quiet area to study.

- Just on a personal basis, I thought the students were just as engaging and bright as the ones I met at Tuck. Of course I don't have the opportunity to compare GMAT scores and where they went to undergrad, but if you took a bunch of MBA students from each school and put them in a room together, I couldn't pick them out.

- The trading room they have setup at Sage is pretty dam cool, even if that's not in my post-MBA goals.

Like I said, overall I'm quite impressed. Cornell is definitively one of the elite business schools in the US.

For those who are planning a visit, be aware of the following:

You have the option of going to as many classes as you want. I signed up for a class at 10am (account with Libby, great class), but had enough time to catch another at 11:45 (Marketing with Russo, they had a practice case competition which was neat to watch). The information session and lunch doesn't start until 1:25pm (so have a big breakfast!) and lasts until 2:40pm or so. Cornell has a great parking system, you just pull up to an info booth, buy a visitor pass and they'll tell you the closest lot to Sage hall. You might want to leave early because traffic is actually pretty bad in Ithaca (if you don't stay at The Stadler). I had a ~1 mile drive from the hotel and it took me 15 minutes to get to campus and park and another 5 or so to walk to Sage.

And another thing, if you have any questions, call! The admissions coordinator (for visits and info) hates computers and admits it takes him forever to reply to emails. He's a super friendly and helpful guy so don't hesitate to call.

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23 Sep 2008, 21:53
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Did my visit today. Overall I'm very impressed. The only other campus I've visited so far is Tuck, so a lot of my comparisons are between the two.

Thanks for the recap! Based on your visit, it sounds like you definitely feel more favorable about the school?

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24 Sep 2008, 07:18
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refurb wrote:
Did my visit today. Overall I'm very impressed. The only other campus I've visited so far is Tuck, so a lot of my comparisons are between the two.

Thanks for the recap! Based on your visit, it sounds like you definitely feel more favorable about the school?

Yeah, in my mind I thought the quality of the schools dropped off more dramatically once you got out of the top 10, but I was wrong.

Cornell might not be a Wharton or MIT, but I think in the long run, the differences between them are really quite small.

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24 Sep 2008, 13:02
Hey guys,

Those who have done their undergraduate from India , how do you plan to send your transcripts?

The online application mentions that the Excel template can be used only for the US universities and for non US universities, the institutions need to directly send the transcript, which in my case is not possible.

I tried mailing the admissions office , but got no response.

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24 Sep 2008, 13:16
solaris1 wrote:
By the way, you guys want to see a 2008 ranking in which Cornell lands the #1 spot (not 100% serious however)!
Discuss.

The rankings I like (both the methodology and that Cornell is 1) but that blog now has a post making fun of people on this board for writing essays longer than 400 words:
http://www.dis-equilibrium.com/2008/09/rules-are-for-sissies-not-mbas.html

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solaris1 wrote:
By the way, you guys want to see a 2008 ranking in which Cornell lands the #1 spot (not 100% serious however)!
Discuss.

The rankings I like (both the methodology and that Cornell is 1) but that blog now has a post making fun of people on this board for writing essays longer than 400 words:
http://www.dis-equilibrium.com/2008/09/rules-are-for-sissies-not-mbas.html

We shall have the last laugh by getting into Cornell, graduating into top positions, (ethically) making a ton of money and buying www.dis-equilibrium.com and dismantling it into pieces for making fun of us
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24 Sep 2008, 13:43
heretical wrote:
solaris1 wrote:
By the way, you guys want to see a 2008 ranking in which Cornell lands the #1 spot (not 100% serious however)!
Discuss.

The rankings I like (both the methodology and that Cornell is 1) but that blog now has a post making fun of people on this board for writing essays longer than 400 words:
http://www.dis-equilibrium.com/2008/09/rules-are-for-sissies-not-mbas.html

We shall have the last laugh by getting into Cornell, graduating into top positions, (ethically) making a ton of money and buying http://www.dis-equilibrium.com and dismantling it into pieces for making fun of us

hahaha. Well said!

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24 Sep 2008, 19:13
Alright guys I just submitted my app!!!!!!!!! My reccomenders have guarenteed me they would be in by Friday. Im pretty stoked. Best of lucky to all!!!!

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25 Sep 2008, 07:24
Referring to the earlier post about the other site...

Sometimes all of us deserve to be made fun of for how neurotic we all are about this whole process. My wife lovingly refers to this board as "that geek site you go to". But I'll take the title of geek as a badge of honor if I can get an admit or two from everyone's input.

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