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1. What are your three most substantial accomplishments and why do you view them as such? (600-word limit)
3. What have you learned from a mistake? (400-word limit)
Please also respond to one of the following (400-word limit each):
i. Discuss how you have engaged with a community or organization.
ii. What area of the world are you most curious about and why?
iii. What is your career vision and why is this choice meaningful to you?

I'll be happy to answer questions about HBS 2+2 program and assess your profile. All 2+2 posts welcome.
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2+2 Application Submission: June 15, 2010
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Published, THE HARVARD CRIMSON,
April 20th 2008

Sanford Kreisberg is the founder of hbsguru.com, a business school admissions consultancy. He has advised scores of Harvard graduates about applying to HBS over the past 10 years . . . .

1. Try to have a high GPA and do not fall for the canard that the admissions committee is aware of hard courses, and will give you a break. They are aware of A, B, and C. They have no idea if Post-Modern Feminist Approaches to Derivative Trading is a hard course or a gut. Take a lot of guts, and use the extra time to explore extra activities. Do not innocently engage in learning for 'learning sake' --although certainly say you do. Do not take introductory Arabic or Chinese because they sound contemporary and important, especially when most kids in those classes will be native speakers looking for guts. Do not take some super-duper math course because it sounds 'interesting.'

2. Try to have a high GMAT, but HBS is not obsessed with this; they are more concerned with your GPA, and will not get too shook up with a 680 or even a 660 GMAT if they 'otherwise love you' and that can apply to even non-minorities. A 720 GMAT is normative, a 750 won't help you as much as you think, and a jumbo 770+ is a nice touch, especially if a keystone of your application is that you are smart or quanty.

3. Be strategic about extracurriculars: try to be a leader. Try to find an issue where you can lead based on interests or identity politics. Think about Miss America, where each finalist has some 'signature' issue like overcoming learning disabilities or improving inner-city education. Get a signature issue of your own. Leading a club based on your ethnicity, personal concerns, diseases, or political ideas is good. Try to be innovative and expand the organizations programs and membership.

4. Be a work in progress. HBS is obsessed with 'transforming' its students, so the persona you should present in your application is someone who is both focused and accomplished, yet open to change. You don't need to be overly interested in business per se; rather, you need to be interested in the intersection of your personal passion, signature issue, or academic interest with the potential social impact. Thus, if you have a passion for biology, you would do better presenting yourself as someone interested in how biology can cure disease among groups a, b, or c, rather than someone obsessed with Biotech companies and their relative stock values. HBS will "transform" you into the latter.

5. For the 2+2 program, which is new, it is better to pretend to be 'out of it' about business than someone who has been obsessed with business ever since your grandfather gave you 100 shares of General Electric for your 10th birthday. HBS is looking for science and artsy kids who otherwise, without HBS's wonderful 2+2 program, never would have thought about business, and would have gone to (gasp) law school. So, be a techie who was happy being a nerd until, poof, 2+2 came along, and then you discovered you could be a business nerd. Think transformation.

6. In your essays, show what makes you tick; the essays are not brag sheets. Don't list what you did so much as account for how you were effective getting others, like professors and other students, to help you. Think Tom Sawyer. Get the others to help you paint the fence. Don't brag about raising money for charity, but explain how you convinced 20 other kids to help you raise money for charity.
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Hey Sandy! I love your blog, and I'm glad to see you here in the forum. Thanks for making this topic -- it's fairly rare that you see anything for undergrads here on GMATClub.

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04 Mar 2010, 12:57
HSBGURU wrote:
Thanks, happy to answer any HBS 2+2 questions, I've followed the program for two years (its entire life) and have a good sense of what they are looking for in terms of grades, experience, age, extra currics, and personal story. I've also done lots of 2+2 mock interviews.

Quit trolling. For anyone not paying attention, this person is not Sandy. See differences in username/post count/avatar/etc.

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YIKES sorry for the confusion, that was me, I somehow goofed up when I registered and have two ID's on this site, I am going to write to BB to expunge the one w. out my avatar. SO SORRY
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Here is a quote from from the HBS 2+2 website under FAQ's
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How many seats are available in the 2+2 program?

We admitted 106 students to the inaugural 2+2 cohort and don't expect that number to grow substantially. However, we will let the strength of the applicant pool determine the exact number of admission offers we extend.

but what they dont tell you is how many kids applied. For an interesting story about that in the Harvard Crimson, see this
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Seniors Get HBS '2+2' Decisions
Published On 9/17/2008 12:51:04 AM
By PRATEEK KUMAR
Crimson Staff Writer
http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=524066
Twenty-two Harvard seniors started the new school year on a good note this week, receiving admissions letters from Harvard Business School’s new 2+2 Program.

Approximately 630 college juniors from around the world applied to the program, which requires accepted students to enter the workforce for two years, guaranteeing them a spot at the Business School afterward.
. . . .

Sanford Kreisberg, an admissions consultant who runs the consulting blog hbsguru.com and gave mock interviews to a number of 2+2 candidates, praised the effort by the MBA admissions office to appeal to younger students who might otherwise have considered different academic paths.

"Leopold deserves an oak cluster on her 25-year service pin for dreaming up 2+2," Kreisberg said. "This campaign has probably pre-empted 20 kids from going to Yale Law School and 40 or more from going to Stanford Business School, HBS's biggest competitor."
"It's like HBS was taking babies from the candy," he added.

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NOTE: the 630 applications the 2+2 program received in the story above was for the first year it was operating.
For last year's stats see here

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Class of 2014*
Total Applicants 844
Women 39%
International 27%
Countries Represented 17
Testing Information
Complete Range
of GMAT Scores 510-790
Average GMAT 727
Range of GRE Q 690-800
Range of GRE V 560-800
Average GRE Q 767
Average GRE V 679
Average GPA** 3.75
Educational Background
Engineering & Natural Sciences 50%
Humanities & Social Sciences 44%

*These numbers are subject to change.

**Excludes GPAs not on 4.0 scales.

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hbsguru wrote:
The 2010 2+2 application questions are now up!
http://tinyurl.com/ccgd23
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I'll be happy to answer questions about HBS 2+2 program and assess your profile. All 2+2 posts welcome.
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fyi application dates are as follows:
2+2 Application Submission: June 15, 2010

Hello,

I am thinking of applying to 2plus2 program at Harvard. It would be great if you could assess my profile.

Current Age: 24
Citizenship: Uzbekistan (Central Asian)
University: University of Maryland Baltimore County (Junior)
Double Major: Management of Aging Services (Gerontology) & Financial Economics
GPA: 3.70
GMAT: I will take it in May. I am aiming for 750+. 730 is an easy reach.
Extra-Curriculars: Fraternity (former treasurer, fundraising & community service officer), Habitat for Humanity, Blood Drive (organizer), cloth drive, cancer walks, Alzheimer's walks, Elder Wii Challenge.
Campus Job: Conference Assistant, Office Assistant, Resident Assistant.

I don't know if I should tell more. Let me know if something else would give you a better picture of my profile.

Thanks.
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I am thinking of applying to 2plus2 program at Harvard. It would be great if you could assess my profile.

Current Age: 24
Citizenship: Uzbekistan (Central Asian)
University: University of Maryland Baltimore County (Junior)
Double Major: Management of Aging Services (Gerontology) & Financial Economics
GPA: 3.70
GMAT: I will take it in May. I am aiming for 750+. 730 is an easy reach.
Extra-Curriculars: Fraternity (former treasurer, fundraising & community service officer), Habitat for Humanity, Blood Drive (organizer), cloth drive, cancer walks, Alzheimer's walks, Elder Wii Challenge.
Campus Job: Conference Assistant, Office Assistant, Resident Assistant.

HMMMMM, AGE 24 IS NOT A 2+2 PROFILE--YOU SHOULD APPLY DIRECTLY AS A SENIOR OR GET A JOB AND APPLY AFTER 2 YEARS. 2+2 IS REALLY FOCUSED ON STANDARD AGE COLLEGE JUNIORS, WELL, W. MAYBE ONE YEAR OFF AT MOST, OR GAP YEAR, BUT NOT 24! PROGRAM, AND ITS PLAN TO HAVE YOU DEFER ADMISSION AND ENTER B SCHOOL IN 2 YEARS JUST NOT SET UP FOR GUYS LIKE YOU. SORRY.
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I am thinking of applying to 2plus2 program at Harvard. It would be great if you could assess my profile.
HMMMMM, AGE 24 IS NOT A 2+2 PROFILE--YOU SHOULD APPLY DIRECTLY AS A SENIOR OR GET A JOB AND APPLY AFTER 2 YEARS. 2+2 IS REALLY FOCUSED ON STANDARD AGE COLLEGE JUNIORS, WELL, W. MAYBE ONE YEAR OFF AT MOST, OR GAP YEAR, BUT NOT 24! PROGRAM, AND ITS PLAN TO HAVE YOU DEFER ADMISSION AND ENTER B SCHOOL IN 2 YEARS JUST NOT SET UP FOR GUYS LIKE YOU. SORRY.

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Hello,

I am applying for the 2+2 program this summer. Do you know if the admission board do any research about your university to get a feeling for the quality of the university etc? Do they even look at ranking lists?

I think I have a very strong academic background but I dont have any exciting work experience. I mean I have worked every summer but the tasks have been pretty basic. I plan to really show the admission board that I have a very good analytical mind and visions for my future and focus less on my work experience. Do you think I could get accepted this way or is it necessary with good work experiences?

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I am applying for the 2+2 program this summer. Do you know if the admission board do any research about your university to get a feeling for the quality of the university etc? Do they even look at ranking lists?

I think I have a very strong academic background but I dont have any exciting work experience. I mean I have worked every summer but the tasks have been pretty basic. I plan to really show the admission board that I have a very good analytical mind and visions for my future and focus less on my work experience. Do you think I could get accepted this way or is it necessary with good work experiences?

For most USA schools, adcom has pretty good idea of selectivity and their past history w. those schools, they also know the top 1 or 2 schools in most countries, the prob is sometimes for internationals who do not attend top 2 schools (e.g. Desi who do not go to IIT or BITS etc) but ever in those cases, they respect good grades, and good grades are needed no matter what school you go to, note the average gpa for 2+2 is very high, ~3.7, I think. But good grades alone are not enuf, work exp. helps as does leadership at school and in extra currics. With just good grades you wont get far--you need either competitive internships and/or extra currics.

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Ok, thank you for your answer. Do you know any place where I can find some samples of accepted student profiles?

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Ok, thank you for your answer. Do you know any place where I can find some samples of accepted student profiles?

hmmmm, there used to be a facebook page but they may have closed that, because guess what, everyone was writing to them for advice etc. etc. Soooo,if that was your idea, like millions have beat you to it. Generic 2+2 numbers are posted in early posts of this thread, in terms of gpa and gmat etc. May repost here again.
There may be some profiles on HBS website. Usual brochure BS.

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NOTE: the 630 applications the 2+2 program received in the story above was for the first year it was operating.
For last year's stats see here

Quote:
Class of 2014*
Total Applicants 844
Women 39%
International 27%
Countries Represented 17
Testing Information
Complete Range
of GMAT Scores 510-790
Average GMAT 727
Range of GRE Q 690-800
Range of GRE V 560-800
Average GRE Q 767
Average GRE V 679
Average GPA** 3.75
Educational Background
Engineering & Natural Sciences 50%
Humanities & Social Sciences 44%

*These numbers are subject to change.

**Excludes GPAs not on 4.0 scales.

ABOVE IS GENERIC 2+2 DATA. NOT SURE WHERE REAL PROFILES ARE--IF YOU TELL ME YOUR STORY, I CAN REALLY GIVE YOU AN IDEA IF YOU ARE IN THE RUNNING, I KNOW LOTS OF 2+2 KIDS, AND ALSO LOTS OF 2+2 KIDS WHO WERE INTERVIEWED AND DINGED. SO I GET A REAL TOUCH AND FEEL FOR THIS.
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Program: MBA 2+2
Area of interest in MBA: General Management, Strategy, Finance
GMAT: prep scores around 710 but I am taking it in June so hopefully a better score than that.
GPA: 4.0 GPA - Bachelor of Science in Engineering - #1 ranked school in Sweden internationally
Work experience:
- Web master for a nonprofit organization, Production/Assembly in a medium-sized corporation, Quality assurance in a laboratory for a large corporation
Nationality: Swedish
Age: 22
Gender: Male
Extra-curriculars/community: Excellent in Undergrad, founded a case-studies group for students, various volunteering in students for students activites on campus.
Other: Exchange student in the US the year 2006/2007, Excellent score on Cambridge's international entrepreneurship assesment

Do you think I will stand a chance?

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hoffeman wrote:
Program: MBA 2+2
Area of interest in MBA: General Management, Strategy, Finance
GMAT: prep scores around 710 but I am taking it in June so hopefully a better score than that.
GPA: 4.0 GPA - Bachelor of Science in Engineering - #1 ranked school in Sweden internationally
Work experience:
- Web master for a nonprofit organization, Production/Assembly in a medium-sized corporation, Quality assurance in a laboratory for a large corporation
Nationality: Swedish
Age: 22
Gender: Male
Extra-curriculars/community: Excellent in Undergrad, founded a case-studies group for students, various volunteering in students for students activites on campus.
Other: Exchange student in the US the year 2006/2007, Excellent score on Cambridge's international entrepreneurship assesment

Do you think I will stand a chance?

1. Is there a reason you are 22 and a junior in college, e.g.
23 at grad, and then after 2 years, 25 or 26 at matriculation to HBS, which is OK, but most 2+2 kids a bit younger?
2. HBS will like 4.0 at top school, esp. in Science. And assuming an OK gmat or gre score you would be in the running, and I cert. suggest applying.
3. Acceptance will turn on "X" factors: what they think of your jobs (not working for blue chip companies is issue), extra currics --webmaster for non-profit is better than nothing but really kinda lame for a techie, they prefer ACTUALLY DOING STUFF WITH OTHER PEOPLE, BEING CHANGE AGENT, WORKING W. SPECIAL NEEDS, POOR, LEPERS, MINORITIES, ETC.
4. I dont usually say this, b.c. it is not as true as I wish it were, but in your case, outcome is going to depend on how you spin or position all this into something that interests them, along lines of business leader who makes a positive impact on society and evidence you HAVE DONE THAT and CAN DO THAT--esp. evidence you have done that: in story you tell above, there are seeds of that positioning, and maybe more which you did not include, but that, along w. solid gmat/gre is what you will need. As presented above, you are real smart and real nice guy who has never been too strategic about managing your resume or career. MEANING YOU ARE NORMAL. But HBS looks for connected kids who got the secret handshake about how to do good and look good earlier in life. You may pull this off, but it is going to take some strategy.
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hoffeman wrote:
Program: MBA 2+2
Area of interest in MBA: General Management, Strategy, Finance
GMAT: prep scores around 710 but I am taking it in June so hopefully a better score than that.
GPA: 4.0 GPA - Bachelor of Science in Engineering - #1 ranked school in Sweden internationally
Work experience:
- Web master for a nonprofit organization, Production/Assembly in a medium-sized corporation, Quality assurance in a laboratory for a large corporation
Nationality: Swedish
Age: 22
Gender: Male
Extra-curriculars/community: Excellent in Undergrad, founded a case-studies group for students, various volunteering in students for students activites on campus.
Other: Exchange student in the US the year 2006/2007, Excellent score on Cambridge's international entrepreneurship assesment

Do you think I will stand a chance?

1. Is there a reason you are 22 and a junior in college, e.g.
23 at grad, and then after 2 years, 25 or 26 at matriculation to HBS, which is OK, but most 2+2 kids a bit younger?
2. HBS will like 4.0 at top school, esp. in Science. And assuming an OK gmat or gre score you would be in the running, and I cert. suggest applying.
3. Acceptance will turn on "X" factors: what they think of your jobs (not working for blue chip companies is issue), extra currics --webmaster for non-profit is better than nothing but really kinda lame for a techie, they prefer ACTUALLY DOING STUFF WITH OTHER PEOPLE, BEING CHANGE AGENT, WORKING W. SPECIAL NEEDS, POOR, LEPERS, MINORITIES, ETC.
4. I dont usually say this, b.c. it is not as true as I wish it were, but in your case, outcome is going to depend on how you spin or position all this into something that interests them, along lines of business leader who makes a positive impact on society and evidence you HAVE DONE THAT and CAN DO THAT--esp. evidence you have done that: in story you tell above, there are seeds of that positioning, and maybe more which you did not include, but that, along w. solid gmat/gre is what you will need. As presented above, you are real smart and real nice guy who has never been too strategic about managing your resume or career. MEANING YOU ARE NORMAL. But HBS looks for connected kids who got the secret handshake about how to do good and look good earlier in life. You may pull this off, but it is going to take some strategy.

First, thank you for giving me guidance!

1. The reason I am 22 is because we begin school one year later than American kids and because I could not count the classes I took during my exchange year in high school.
3. I googled blue chip company and I would say that my most recent employment is with one of these companies.
4. Yea I will really work on my essays and present myself as a potential good leader with the intention of making a difference in the world.

I will have taken 2-3 economics classes by graduation and since they do not want student with economics or business undergrads do I need to explain that somehow?

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Want to see some 2+2 profiles?

good work around --not perfect but it works.
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