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flyingbunny2005

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Of course it's unethical.

Tom wanna buy some goods (admission confirmation) from Jack; Jack announced certain criteria and the date to release the results; Tom thinks he might get the goods, therefore he pays the fee (application fee); But during the day to release the results, Jack said, sorry, we can't give your the goods, but you might or might not get it in a few days, it depends upon some other criteria and you have to wait.

It doesn't look ethical to me. I just think it is simple, the waiting list thing is just something that the schools wanna maximize their profit while get rid of any liabilities. And the worse thing is, most of the candidates on the waiting list might still appreciate such list.

It is an interesting topic for research of game theory, strategy and non-linear programming. The difficult part is data collection. Nevertheless, if a system can be developed, it would be much more good to applicants than to schools.

Also, Tom knows before he buys the goods from Jack that there is a possibility of being waitlisted. So if he is still willing to pay for the goods knowing full well he could face one of 3 possible outcomes, then its a perfectly ethical arm's length transaction.

As I said, announcing the rules beforehand is a way to get away from liability. It is just legally correct therefore reasonable, but it doesn't mean it is ethical.

Anyway, no use to discuss this here. Let's focus on the original thread about the admission thing.

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29 Jan 2011, 20:16

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In for round 1!

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29 Jan 2011, 20:18

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In for round 1!

Ummmm, you mean round 2?

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29 Jan 2011, 20:38

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In for round 1!!

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29 Jan 2011, 20:52

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In for round 1!

Ummmm, you mean round 2?

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lol!

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30 Jan 2011, 00:29

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I just got off the phone with a rep from wharton adcom. She said that half the interview invites will go out on the 4th, and the other half on the 18th. The list is generated randomly, so getting it on the 4th does not mean your app is stronger.

Does it mean that by 4th they will make ALL the decisions about whom to interview or they will continue to review applications between 4th and 18th?

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30 Jan 2011, 03:40

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Flawed logic again, flyingbunny:
1. There is no liability to speak of.
2. Announcing the rules beforehand is called "fair game", and as long as all applicants are given equal treatment, the process stays fair, and as far as I am concerned, everyone regardless of background, race, gender, nationality, etc is given equal consideration at Wharton.

Let's look at the process for a minute:

Admissions decision can have three outcomes in each round: admit, deny and waitlist. Your reasoning implies that there are only two types of decision that are ethical: admit or deny. In other words, you are saying that taking more time to decide on borderline candidates is unethical.

Let's move this example to hiring decisions that take place every day in all HR offices around the globe. A bunch of candidates is screened and interviewed. Some of them are rejected right away, some are hired, and some are asked to wait a little longer before a final decision could be made.

Is it unethical to notify job seekers that the decision about their hiring has not been finalized?

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30 Jan 2011, 16:33

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why again? You have no idea what I am talking about, have you?

'liability' is a phrase, here it means the school can say " alright, I have already told you that you might or might not get the offer, because you are in the waiting list. I will not guarantee anything. It is your responsibility whether you wanna wait."

It looks fair to every candidate, but it isn't fair between the school and the candidates. It is a simple transaction: candidates apply, school gives result within certain period of time. The result of a application is either 'accepted' or 'reject'. Eventually is one of these two.

If the process of a application is not finalized, just tell the candidate 'not yet finalized'. But what's the point to have the 'final decision date'? Of course, the school can setup another 'final decision date' for waiting list candidates though. :-D

Another funny thing is, it was said that when someone is put on waiting list, the school won't accept any further documents from the candidate in order to maintain the so called fairness. If all the candidates are somehow put in the waiting list because of overall quality, but the school finds out the candidates in the next round are still not good, will that make the previous round candidate better?

Anyway, it is your prerogative to believe what you believe. I somehow just feel 'waiting list' sucks.

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Anyone heard anything from Wharton for Round 2? Are all their Round 1 results out?

I applied in R2. The wait is NERVE WRACKING!

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30 Jan 2011, 23:15

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why again? You have no idea what I am talking about, have you?

Not anymore. I feel like I am talking to Chinese government officials again.

flyingbunny2005

'liability' is a phrase

I disagree again. "Liability" is a word, a noun.

flyingbunny2005

It is a simple transaction: candidates apply, school gives result within certain period of time.

So where does the transaction become unethical?

flyingbunny2005

The result of a application is either 'accepted' or 'reject'. Eventually is one of these two.

This is one deep thought. Thanks!

flyingbunny2005

If the process of a application is not finalized, just tell the candidate 'not yet finalized'.

In case you did not notice, Wait List means exactly that.

flyingbunny2005

Another funny thing is, it was said that when someone is put on waiting list, the school won't accept any further documents from the candidate in order to maintain the so called fairness.

What is so funny about that? Why is it unfair?

flyingbunny2005

If all the candidates are somehow put in the waiting list because of overall quality, but the school finds out the candidates in the next round are still not good, will that make the previous round candidate better?

No, nothing makes an application better after you press the "submit" button.

flyingbunny2005

I somehow just feel 'waiting list' sucks.

You accused the school of being unethical, and you cannot prove your point other than that you "somehow just feel" that the Wait List "sucks". If anything, your behavior is unethical.

In the real world such accusations can very realistically become a liability (word, noun; see above).

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30 Jan 2011, 23:33

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Anyone heard anything from Wharton for Round 2? Are all their Round 1 results out?

I applied in R2. The wait is NERVE WRACKING!

Yes all the R1 results were released in December - although a lot of people were put on the waitlist.

As for R2, I know the wait is nerve wracking and there is the tendency to check your email and status 20 times a day but trust me Wharton will not release a word besides the official decisions on Feb 4 and Feb 18 - on Feb 4 some people will get an interview invite. On Feb 18 the remaining applicants will get either an interview invite or a denial of admission. Apart from these two communications, you won't hear any other admissions related news (barring unforeseen exceptions).

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Hi,
For round 2, the email from Wharton says: The Admissions Committee will begin to release interview invitations on Friday, February 4th and will continue to release invitations on a daily basis until 5:00 p.m. Eastern Standard Time on Friday, February 18th.
So, do they release the interview invites daily between these dates?

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31 Jan 2011, 04:08

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No, apparantly they send out two batches of invites; one Feb 4, one Feb 18

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Thanks guys for answering. Feb 4 is my birthday and looks like I will have the most impatient one!

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Thanks guys for answering. Feb 4 is my birthday and looks like I will have the most impatient one!

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Some even more important things depend on this Friday. "XEROX" knows what I mean

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xerox,

Any idea of WListers will hear maybe on the 18th, as the school will have a better idea about how R2 is shaping up?

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Folks,

I'm a bit confused here. I saw some discussion regarding interview invites for Round 2 being released only on two dates Feb 4 and 18th. However, the email we received after application submission states categorically,

"The Admissions Committee will begin to release interview invitations on Friday, February 4th and will continue to release invitations on a daily basis until 5:00 p.m. Eastern Standard Time on Friday, February 18th. Due to the nature and complexity associated with the admissions process there is no particular order in which invitations are released."

Now the above statement from the admissions office leads me to believe the interviews would be on a rolling basis between Feb 4 - Feb 18 (notice the use of the word daily). If you have other information for your perspectives, please do enlighten me.

Btw, I am in for Round 2! Good Luck everyone

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Someone called the admissions office and confirmed it will be just those two dates - if you read some of the earlier posts you should come across the post confirming the process.

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xerox,

Any idea of WListers will hear maybe on the 18th, as the school will have a better idea about how R2 is shaping up?

Have no idea, but my best guess is that the school will know by then what kind of class profile they are looking at, and which traits of that class they need to strengthen more than others so it is fair to assume that a bunch of WListers could be contacted around those dates.

The way I look at the new admissions process is as follows: the school first admits a core of the class (a type of applicant that under any circumstances, in any year is in great demand); then they see a pool of applications that are high quality, and strong in most domains - these are saved in the WL for later when the adcom has a complete understanding what kind of diversity the applicant pool has brought.

WL is not a depository of low quality candidatures. It is "finished goods inventory" of very competitive, high quality applications that the school uses to build a balanced and diverse class from.