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yeah, exactly why I asked about the role :) When I asked a second year student abt GM and Chicago (esp in technology) he wasnt very enthusiastic about the opportunities. He said I'd be better off with maybe Hass thats closer to silicon valley. While thats a valid point, I was concerned when he talked of GSB as a mid-west school and said many tech companies dont come on campus.
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Who would you be targeting? Offhand I know of Amazon, Orbitz, Google, NVIDIA that came to campus. Dell I think, Symantec as well. Oh Microsoft too (I should remember that since I won an xbox 360 at their presentation lol). There's probably others I haven't paid attention to. That said, he's probably right - we aren't in silicon valley, so you won't find a 100 tech firms on campus. There's also a trip they do out west to go visit some of these firms, so thats something some of the people pursuing high tech go for.

edit: I forgot, Apple is coming next week too.
edit 2: Oh yea, Sony came as well. (Sort of high tech depending on where you go)...
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"how much an expensive suit should cost, etc... :P"

HAH!

I'd be happy to answer any questions -- as for a regularly scheduled chat... that might be harder to actually do these days. My days are ridiculously packed right now. With that in mind, a thread type discussion might be better. What do you want to know?
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So I read the transcript and if I understand correctly, GSB interviews ~50% of the applicants??? How far do they get through the app before making that decision? Then do they only take about 1/4 of those that they interview?

It seems that they talk about "crafting" the class based on diversity. Is that because they cannot ask for (i.e. require) ethnicity in the app, but they make notes when they get back from the interview....Perhaps I'm just a paranoid white boy.

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To your first q: Correct, its roughly 50% interview rate. They read the entire app. Here's how it works: A student reads your app first and makes a recommendation to interview or not. Then a staff member reads it. If they both agree, then you get an invite. If they disagree, then a third staff member reads it, and acts as the tie breaker. After the interview process, I don't know how precisely it works, but its basically a roundtable discussion at that stage. As for what percentage of people who interview get offers, no one knows (and I'd suggest you not bother trying to guess cause itll just drive you nuts). As to the rest of your q: You are a paranoid white boy. When they say "Craft" they don't mean "1 black guy for every 3 whiteys", they mean making sure the class is diverse - on every dimension -- (even academic, actually, which I was surprised to hear) - they want people from varied backgrounds, industries, different hobbies, interests, goals, experiences, skills, weakness, strengths, etc. It is not a race/ethinicity decision.
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yeah, exactly why I asked about the role :) When I asked a second year student abt GM and Chicago (esp in technology) he wasnt very enthusiastic about the opportunities. He said I'd be better off with maybe Hass thats closer to silicon valley. While thats a valid point, I was concerned when he talked of GSB as a mid-west school and said many tech companies dont come on campus.

Who would you be targeting? Offhand I know of Amazon, Orbitz, Google, NVIDIA that came to campus. Dell I think, Symantec as well. Oh Microsoft too (I should remember that since I won an xbox 360 at their presentation lol). There's probably others I haven't paid attention to. That said, he's probably right - we aren't in silicon valley, so you won't find a 100 tech firms on campus. There's also a trip they do out west to go visit some of these firms, so thats something some of the people pursuing high tech go for.

edit: I forgot, Apple is coming next week too.
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Nice explanation, rhyme.

My app status just changed to "Complete"
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yeah, exactly why I asked about the role :) When I asked a second year student abt GM and Chicago (esp in technology) he wasnt very enthusiastic about the opportunities. He said I'd be better off with maybe Hass thats closer to silicon valley. While thats a valid point, I was concerned when he talked of GSB as a mid-west school and said many tech companies dont come on campus.

Who would you be targeting? Offhand I know of Amazon, Orbitz, Google, NVIDIA that came to campus. Dell I think, Symantec as well. Oh Microsoft too (I should remember that since I won an xbox 360 at their presentation lol). There's probably others I haven't paid attention to. That said, he's probably right - we aren't in silicon valley, so you won't find a 100 tech firms on campus. There's also a trip they do out west to go visit some of these firms, so thats something some of the people pursuing high tech go for.

edit: I forgot, Apple is coming next week too.
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Nice explanation, rhyme.

My app status just changed to "Complete"
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Max when did you submit your app? Mine still says received..
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I submitted on 1/9. My second recommendation was submitted on 1/14.
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yeah, exactly why I asked about the role :) When I asked a second year student abt GM and Chicago (esp in technology) he wasnt very enthusiastic about the opportunities. He said I'd be better off with maybe Hass thats closer to silicon valley. While thats a valid point, I was concerned when he talked of GSB as a mid-west school and said many tech companies dont come on campus.
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That is probably true, but as rhyme already said, big tech firms will target GSB and Kellogg because of their name and strong students. But if your heart is set on tech, Haas, Stanford, and MIT will be better choices. I know Haas has a lot of tech conferences (not just your 1 or 2 per year ones) that address all sorts of tech. I was there for a consumer electronics "fair" once and it was pretty fun!
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yeah, exactly why I asked about the role :) When I asked a second year student abt GM and Chicago (esp in technology) he wasnt very enthusiastic about the opportunities. He said I'd be better off with maybe Hass thats closer to silicon valley. While thats a valid point, I was concerned when he talked of GSB as a mid-west school and said many tech companies dont come on campus.

That is probably true, but as rhyme already said, big tech firms will target GSB and Kellogg because of their name and strong students. But if your heart is set on tech, Haas, Stanford, and MIT will be better choices. I know Haas has a lot of tech conferences (not just your 1 or 2 per year ones) that address all sorts of tech. I was there for a consumer electronics "fair" once and it was pretty fun!
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It probably has alot to do with what position you want. If you want a finance position GSB may provide better opportunities than Haas. If you are aiming for a marketing position, then Kellogg will probably have an advantage over MIT. Location helps but companies are becoming more global, and a school that is famous for a particular area probably will have a big advantage over schools no matter the location.
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It probably has alot to do with what position you want. If you want a finance position GSB may provide better opportunities than Haas. If you are aiming for a marketing position, then Kellogg will probably have an advantage over MIT. Location helps but companies are becoming more global, and a school that is famous for a particular area probably will have a big advantage over schools no matter the location.
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True, though there is also the argument that if the school's brand name is good, and you're a career switcher, you should try the school that's NOT famous for that field. For example, go to Kellogg if you want to switch into finance, or go to GSB to switch into marketing, etc. Less competition for you, since at GSB, you'll have to compete against all the very experienced and strong finance people, and similar for marketing.

As for tech, it may make sense to go to Kellogg/GSB if you want less competition, since a lot of people at Haas will be doing tech. The downside is slightly less exposure.

But I think any of the UE/E schools will be good, provided they're decent at your field. Fit is probably the most important.
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I honestly believe that trying to "play" the game - go to GSB for marketing, or go to X for Y or whatever is a fruitless exercise. For all you know, GSB might get 30 people interested in marketing who are super strong - and they apply for all the same jobs you do. Or they might not apply to any of the jobs you apply to. There's just far far too many variables to categorically say that going to X instead of Y if you want to do Z actually gives you a leg up. Moreover, at the end of the day, at any school, if Google shows up, you are gonna get a lot of people - qualified and not - throwing in applications. In other words - at least within the UE's I wouldn't worry too much about this kind of stuff. The name opens all the doors you want -- and no matter which school you go to -- there will be people (and probably several people) who are smarter, more accomplished, more professional, more capable, more polished and more prepared than you are anyway. Banking on your classmates being comparatively weak is a sure fire way to end up in trouble.
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I honestly believe that trying to "play" the game - go to GSB for marketing, or go to X for Y or whatever is a fruitless exercise. For all you know, GSB might get 30 people interested in marketing who are super strong - and they apply for all the same jobs you do. Or they might not apply to any of the jobs you apply to. There's just far far too many variables to categorically say that going to X instead of Y if you want to do Z actually gives you a leg up. Moreover, at the end of the day, at any school, if Google shows up, you are gonna get a lot of people - qualified and not - throwing in applications. In other words - at least within the UE's I wouldn't worry too much about this kind of stuff. The name opens all the doors you want -- and no matter which school you go to -- there will be people (and probably several people) who are smarter, more accomplished, more professional, more capable, more polished and more prepared than you are anyway. Banking on your classmates being comparatively weak is a sure fire way to end up in trouble.
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Well, to each their own.

But as I said, in the end, it's where you feel most comfortable that matters. That's why I'm saying that you should NOT just choose GSB because you want to do finance or Kellogg because you want to do marketing, even if you feel that there is no "fit." I'm advocating that if you find the right "fit" at a UE (and some Elite) school, then go there, and just worry about the strengths or weaknesses.

Otherwise, I would not be considering Haas for tech, since everyone and their mother there is probably interested in tech. :P
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Agreed, and I was just arguing the flipside of that coin. Were talking the same thing methinks. Tomato. Tomato.
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yeah, I think after re-reading what you wrote, we're saying the same thing.

Either way, I'd be very very very happy with either a Haas or Kellogg admit, no matter what they're strong in! :)
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Thanks rhyme! If all these companies are hiring, that's great...yeah, the student did tell me about the trip to the west coast too. Plus if I wanted to join a smaller start-uppy company, I know I will have to rely on my contacts/network more than the school.

And good discussion all of you. I agree, fit is most important.
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So interview invites start on the 23rd? :?
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So interview invites start on the 23rd? :?
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Do they? I don't know... feeling anxious?
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Yeah. According to the GSB Chat.

G-407106649__Guest_: Dear Ted, my name is Luiz, I live in Brazil, and it is a pleasure to participate in this chat with you. I applied for Chicago GSB and would like to know when you are starting to release interview appointments.

Joanne: Hi Luiz, I'll take your question. Round 2 invitations to interview will begin to be released next week on January 23rd. We'll release these decisions on a rolling basis through February 20th. These are released in random order.

Heh. Am definitely feeling anxious. Got dinged all around, Chicago GSB is the one that I want most, but it's my final fantasy. So hopefully, fingers crossed, I'll get an interview and an admit. :)
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Heh. Am definitely feeling anxious. Got dinged all around, Chicago GSB is the one that I want most, but it's my final fantasy. So hopefully, fingers crossed, I'll get an interview and an admit. :)
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Ya my wife is really hoping I get into Chicago GSB. She doesn't fancy Ann Arbor.
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Heh. Am definitely feeling anxious. Got dinged all around, Chicago GSB is the one that I want most, but it's my final fantasy. So hopefully, fingers crossed, I'll get an interview and an admit. :)

Ya my wife is really hoping I get into Chicago GSB. She doesn't fancy Ann Arbor.
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My wife didn't even let me apply to Ross last year. I feel ya.
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Looks like all the wives love Chicago. My wife is rooting me for me to get into GSB or Kellogg as well...:)
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