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Re: Declining values for farm equipment and land, the collateral against [#permalink]
I understand that the sentence used 'declining values' - but isn't this trend of declining values forcing lenders to stop lending? If so, shouldn't we use 'is' and not 'are'? Or are we supposed to see 'values' in there and then blindly assume that it's plural and we need to use 'are' over 'is'
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Is D modifying "land", "land and farm equipment", or "declining values"? Originally thought "land", but given that it is part of a prepositional pharse, I imagine this is wrong. Would really appreciate some help!!:)
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Is D modifying "land", "land and farm equipment", or "declining values"? Originally thought "land", but given that it is part of a prepositional pharse, I imagine this is wrong. Would really appreciate some help!!:)

Hi HansJK, if your doubt is whether which can modify something in a prepositional phrase, then the answer is definitely yes. There are numerous official examples, with which modifying words in prepositional phrases.

p.s. Our book EducationAisle Sentence Correction Nirvana discusses modifier issues of "which", their application and examples in significant detail. If you or someone is interested, PM me your email-id; I can mail the corresponding section.
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Is D modifying "land", "land and farm equipment", or "declining values"? Originally thought "land", but given that it is part of a prepositional pharse, I imagine this is wrong. Would really appreciate some help!!:)

Hi HansJK, if your doubt is whether which can modify something in a prepositional phrase, then the answer is definitely yes. There are numerous official examples, with which modifying words in prepositional phrases.

p.s. Our book EducationAisle Sentence Correction Nirvana discusses modifier issues of "which", their application and examples in significant detail. If you or someone is interested, PM me your email-id; I can mail the corresponding section.


Thanks for that rapid response! So, to judge whether which modifies the subject of the sentence or the object of a prepositional phrase, we have to simply decide what makes the most sense?
Also, can which modify two preciding nouns? For instance: Mike and Simon, which are best friends...?
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So, to judge whether which modifies the subject of the sentence or the object of a prepositional phrase, we have to simply decide what makes the most sense?

Nops; which modifies the nearest grammatical eligible word.

An officially incorrect example:

It is called a sea, but the landlocked Caspian is actually the largest lake on Earth, which covers more than four times the surface area of its closest rival in size, North America's Lake Superior.

Official explanation: Because Earth immediately precedes which, the sentence appears to say, illogically, that Earth covers more than four times the surface area of Lake Superior.

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Also, can which modify two preciding nouns? For instance: Mike and Simon, which are best friends...?

Your example is incorrect, because which can only modify "non-persons", while "Mike and Simon" are obviously persons.

Correct sentence will be:

Mike and Simon, who are best friends....

However, if your question is whether which can modify two entities, then the answer is yes. An officially correct example:

Unlike the shuttle and earlier spacecraft, which were capable of carrying sufficient power in fuel cells and batteries for their short flights, a permanently orbiting space station will have to generate its own electricity.
- which is modifying the shuttle and earlier spacecraft.
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Re: Declining values for farm equipment and land, the collateral against [#permalink]
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HansJK wrote:
So, to judge whether which modifies the subject of the sentence or the object of a prepositional phrase, we have to simply decide what makes the most sense?

Nops; which modifies the nearest grammatical eligible word.

An officially incorrect example:

It is called a sea, but the landlocked Caspian is actually the largest lake on Earth, which covers more than four times the surface area of its closest rival in size, North America's Lake Superior.

Official explanation: Because Earth immediately precedes which, the sentence appears to say, illogically, that Earth covers more than four times the surface area of Lake Superior.

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Also, can which modify two preciding nouns? For instance: Mike and Simon, which are best friends...?

Your example is incorrect, because which can only modify "non-persons", while "Mike and Simon" are obviously persons.

Correct sentence will be:

Mike and Simon, who are best friends....

However, if your question is whether which can modify two entities, then the answer is yes. An officially correct example:

Unlike the shuttle and earlier spacecraft, which were capable of carrying sufficient power in fuel cells and batteries for their short flights, a permanently orbiting space station will have to generate its own electricity.
- which is modifying the shuttle and earlier spacecraft.



Thank you, this is very helpful!

One point of confusion. This is correct according to the OG: "Emily Dickinson’s letters to Susan Huntington Dickinson, which were written over a period beginning a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother and ending shortly before Emily’s death in 1886, outnumber..."

Is Susan Dickinson not, in your words, the "nearest grammatical eligible word"?
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HansJK wrote:
One point of confusion. This is correct according to the OG: "Emily Dickinson’s letters to Susan Huntington Dickinson, which were written over a period beginning a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother and ending shortly before Emily’s death in 1886, outnumber..."

Is Susan Dickinson not, in your words, the "nearest grammatical eligible word"?

Hi HansJK, in the above sentence, Susan Huntington Dickinson is not grammatically eligible, for two reasons:

i) As mentioned in my above post, which can only modify non-persons, while Susan Huntington Dickinson is clearly a person

ii) The sentence says: "which were". The presence of plural verb were clearly indicates that which must modify something plural (while while Susan Huntington Dickinson is singular).
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Re: Declining values for farm equipment and land, the collateral against [#permalink]
E is the answer. A fairly easy question once we spot a few things.

"Declining values for equipment and land" ---> plural, and hence should be "...ARE going to force". Therefore, ABC are out.

Now, between D and E. Besides the fact that D awkwardly says "collateral...borrow against" which is redundant, the more blatant issue is the modifier. COLLATERAL modifies equipment and land and hence it must come after the comma.

D is out, E is our winner.

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Re: Declining values for farm equipment and land, the collateral against [#permalink]
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Declining is a gerund here, what is verbing participle?


It is not used as a gerund (noun) here; it is used as an "adjective" ("-ing" form of verb, used as an adjective, is called participle).


How to check if its a Gerund or an adjective in such questions?


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Re: Declining values for farm equipment and land, the collateral against [#permalink]
1. in D, why can't "which farmers use as a collateral to borrow against" modify farm equipment and land given that comma+which modifies the immediately preceding entity.

2. If your answer to 1 is that it is not modifying farm and equipment and instead modifies Declining Values, then why and how can we say that "the collateral against which farmers borrow... are" [from option (E)] is modifying farm and equipment and not declining values.
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Re: Declining values for farm equipment and land, the collateral against [#permalink]
"Declining values" shouldn't be used as singular ? Why are we using "are" instead of "is" ?
I am so confused on how "Declining values" is used in this sentence.
Can anyone please help me?

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Re: Declining values for farm equipment and land, the collateral against [#permalink]
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Declining values for farm equipment and land, the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, is going to force many lenders to tighten or deny credit this spring.

(A) the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, is
(B) which farmers use as collateral to borrow against to get through the harvest season, is
(C) the collateral which is borrowed against by farmers to get through the harvest season, is
(D) which farmers use as collateral to borrow against to get through the harvest season, are
(E) the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, are


https://www.nytimes.com/1983/01/16/us/in-farm-belt-fear-of-foreclosures-rises.html

Bankers here say that loan delinquencies, already triple what they were a year ago, could reach 10 times normal levels. Meanwhile, declining values for farm equipment and land - the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season - is going to force many lenders to tighten or deny credit this spring.

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Declining values for farm equipment and land, the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, is going to force many lenders to tighten or deny credit this spring.

(D) which farmers use as collateral to borrow against to get through the harvest season, are
(E) the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, are

In E what does the appositive "collateral" really modify - "declining values..." or "farm equipment and land".

Question2:
If I changed (D) to the below

(D) which farmers use as collateral to get through the harvest season, are
(E) the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, are

Now from the above two which would you choose as the answer?

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Please help.
Does "which" in option D refers to "Declining values" since "farm equipment and land" is under prepositional phrase("for...") or "which" in option D refers to "farm equipment and land"? Also, does the use of word "collateral" and "borrow" simultaneously in a sentence correct as someone pointed out in explanation that use of both word simultaneously is a redundant thing.
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AkhilAggarwal wrote:
leeye84 wrote:
Declining values for farm equipment and land, the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, is going to force many lenders to tighten or deny credit this spring.

(A) the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, is
(B) which farmers use as collateral to borrow against to get through the harvest season, is
(C) the collateral which is borrowed against by farmers to get through the harvest season, is
(D) which farmers use as collateral to borrow against to get through the harvest season, are
(E) the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, are


https://www.nytimes.com/1983/01/16/us/in-farm-belt-fear-of-foreclosures-rises.html

Bankers here say that loan delinquencies, already triple what they were a year ago, could reach 10 times normal levels. Meanwhile, declining values for farm equipment and land - the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season - is going to force many lenders to tighten or deny credit this spring.

Question1:
Declining values for farm equipment and land, the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, is going to force many lenders to tighten or deny credit this spring.

(D) which farmers use as collateral to borrow against to get through the harvest season, are
(E) the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, are

In E what does the appositive "collateral" really modify - "declining values..." or "farm equipment and land".

Question2:
If I changed (D) to the below

(D) which farmers use as collateral to get through the harvest season, are
(E) the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, are

Now from the above two which would you choose as the answer?

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Hi VeritasKarishma CrackVerbalGMAT GMATNinja egmat GMATNinjaTwo manhattan Magoosh

Please help.
Does "which" in option D refers to "Declining values" since "farm equipment and land" is under prepositional phrase("for...") or "which" in option D refers to "farm equipment and land"? Also, does the use of word "collateral" and "borrow" simultaneously in a sentence correct as someone pointed out in explanation that use of both word simultaneously is a redundant thing.

When "which" follows a noun phrase that involves a preposition, there's no rule that tells us what it's describing. We have to use logic.

Here, it makes more sense for "which" to refer to "equipment and land" as "declining values" pretty clearly couldn't be used as collateral. So "which" isn't inherently wrong here.

And I wouldn't say that "borrow" and "collateral" are redundant. After all, they both show up in every option.

The issues with (D) can be seen most clearly by doing a side-by-side comparison with (E). In (D) the land and equipment are described by the modifier "which farmers use as collateral..." But why use the clunky phrase, "which farmers use as collateral" when you could just call the land and equipment "collateral" directly, as (E) does?

Also, the first time I read (D), I stumbled over the phrase "collateral to borrow," thinking for a moment that the farmers were borrowing collateral, an interpretation that makes no sense. If you read (D) again in its entirety, you can see that this isn't what the writer means, but (E) gets rid of the problematic phrase entirely and spares the reader this confusion.

So I wouldn't say that (D) has a definitive error, necessarily, but (E) is clearer and more concise, and therefore better.

I hope that helps!


Thank you GMATNinja for the reply
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In this question "property values" is plural, and here "Declining values" has a verb "is", which is singular.

Originally posted by vishnugmatgupta on 27 Oct 2021, 00:24.
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vishnugmatgupta wrote:
https://gmatclub.com/forum/while-depressed-property-values-can-hurt-some-large-investors-they-18708.html

In this question "property values" is plural, and here "Declining values" has a verb "is", which is singular.

Please shed some light on "values"! GMATNinja egmat

Hi vishnugmatgupta,

There's an are at the end of the correct option.
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vishnugmatgupta wrote:
https://gmatclub.com/forum/while-depressed-property-values-can-hurt-some-large-investors-they-18708.html

In this question "property values" is plural, and here "Declining values" has a verb "is", which is singular.

Please shed some light on "values"! GMATNinja egmat

Hi vishnugmatgupta,

There's an are at the end of the correct option.



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Hi AjiteshArun DmitryFarber MartyTargetTestPrep sayantanc2k
In E – I don’t understand the usage of the word “collateral - against”

Shouldn’t the usage be “as collateral”
- I used my car as collateral to get a loan
- I put up my home as collateral to get a loan

Is collateral against : some sort of passive voice usage perhaps ?

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