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New post 24 Jul 2008, 16:20
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Yea.. I do realize that.. I plan to have my list of R2 schools completed around the time I am submitting R1 apps (mid-to-end October) so that I can work on them in the next 2 months and apply only if I don't get any good news in December. It's gonna take me some time to decide which ones to apply to over there.

You guys think the 4th school I apply in R1 should be a safety school (Tepper) or another top school (Tuck). I can't decide which way to go. Do all top schools in R1 and then safeties in R2 or do mix them between the two rounds.

FYI think I'm gonna apply to 6 schools total (in likely order of preference): Chi (reapp), Kellogg, Columbia, Tuck, Darden, Tepper

Bear in mind, I am still on the Chicago waitlist this year (so I'm holding out some hope for that :roll: ), and I think (re: hope) they really like me and am definite that I am applying to Chicago in R1. The other schools I can still mix between R1 and R2.

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I'm thinking of applying to 3-4 schools in R1 (Chicago, Kellogg, Columbia ED). Still trying to figure out what the 4th is. And I still need to decide what schools to apply for in R2 if I get no admits. :?


You likely won't get a chance to wait for admit notices for R1 before R2's are due. Most of the decision dates are only a week or two before R2 are due.

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It is critical that if you are applying to CBS, you apply EARLY. I don't necessarily mean ED, but if you apply during RD (or even ED for that matter - although it doesn't sound like you will because of your love for GSB), submit your app as early as possible. I'm simply relaying specific feedback given to me by my CBS waitlist manager.

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New post 24 Jul 2008, 16:39
Got it. Thanks for the advice. Yea, Chicago is definitely no.1 and then Kellogg/Columbia are pretty close as my second choice. Columbia probably wins out since I want to go into Banking and I already live in NY.

Is there really a drastic difference between ED and RD. I don't want to apply ED because Chi is my first choice, but if ED significantly improves the odds of making it in, I might be tempted. Based on what your WL manager said, I'm thinking I'll be good if I apply Columbia RD in mid-November than Columbia ED beginning October.

Did you make it off the waitlist?h

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It is critical that if you are applying to CBS, you apply EARLY. I don't necessarily mean ED, but if you apply during RD (or even ED for that matter - although it doesn't sound like you will because of your love for GSB), submit your app as early as possible. I'm simply relaying specific feedback given to me by my CBS waitlist manager.

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New post 24 Jul 2008, 18:03
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Fomr the successful essays that I've read. I found one common theme. They are, fo lack of a better word, smooth. It's not awkwardly written, it's not filled with spectacular experiences (life & work), it really doesn't blow you away. The message is conveyed well, and concise to keep the essays dense.


that's a really good point kidderek. I think a few of the essays I've read are filled with spectacular stories. For the most part though, they are just well written and successfully relay a message about the person's career goals, personal aspirations, etc.

I really wish I did more writing at work - that would make this process (well at least the writing part!) so much easier!

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Got it. Thanks for the advice. Yea, Chicago is definitely no.1 and then Kellogg/Columbia are pretty close as my second choice. Columbia probably wins out since I want to go into Banking and I already live in NY.

Is there really a drastic difference between ED and RD. I don't want to apply ED because Chi is my first choice, but if ED significantly improves the odds of making it in, I might be tempted. Based on what your WL manager said, I'm thinking I'll be good if I apply Columbia RD in mid-November than Columbia ED beginning October.

Did you make it off the waitlist?

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It is critical that if you are applying to CBS, you apply EARLY. I don't necessarily mean ED, but if you apply during RD (or even ED for that matter - although it doesn't sound like you will because of your love for GSB), submit your app as early as possible. I'm simply relaying specific feedback given to me by my CBS waitlist manager.



Unfortunately I did not make it off of the waitlist, but I was encouraged to reapply (and am doing so).

There is really no difference between ED and RD (others may argue this) as long as you get your app in early. Seriously, if you submit your RD app the first possible week (or two), your chances will be just as ED. If you wait until a week before the "soft deadline" (the equivalent of Rd 2 at other schools), you will be in trouble unless you are from an underrepresented demographic group.

Also, I'm not 100% sure on this, but I think you can submit an RD app as early as October. In case the horse ain't beaten enough, I strongly encourage you to do so.

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New post 25 Jul 2008, 08:51
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When I checked CBS website yesterday, there was an option to create a RD app along with ED. I guess you can start your RD app now if you want to.

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New post 25 Jul 2008, 11:10
And don't forget - submitting an RD application to CBS in October will move it to right at the top of the pile - the RD apps are read in the order they are submitted, even if submitted before the review period begins!

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And don't forget - submitting an RD application to CBS in October will move it to right at the top of the pile - the RD apps are read in the order they are submitted, even if submitted before the review period begins!


What about Mid-November? Is this still a competitive time to submit?
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New post 25 Jul 2008, 11:18
The review period for RD begins in January 2009, so even if you submit in October - or November or December, you will be WAY ahead of the masses.

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And don't forget - submitting an RD application to CBS in October will move it to right at the top of the pile - the RD apps are read in the order they are submitted, even if submitted before the review period begins!


What about Mid-November? Is this still a competitive time to submit?

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The review period for RD begins in January 2009, so even if you submit in October - or November or December, you will be WAY ahead of the masses.

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And don't forget - submitting an RD application to CBS in October will move it to right at the top of the pile - the RD apps are read in the order they are submitted, even if submitted before the review period begins!


What about Mid-November? Is this still a competitive time to submit?


Yes, the review period begins in January, but you get a number and your app is read in the order in which it was received. Furthermore, interviews and offers are extended on a rolling basis. This means, they read app 1, they like it, interview app 1, extend offer to app 1, so one less spot is available (if this all happened instantaneously, this spot would effectively be gone immediately before app 2 is even read). Once X number of offers has been extended, people may still receive an interview invite, but they will go straight to the WL if adcom has extended its ideal # of offers at that point. I can speak from experience when saying that I was invited to interview and I crushed it (like getting 10/10, maybe even 11/10 if that's possible), but was ultimately waitlisted. I've even become friends with my interviewer and even went out for drinks with him 2 weeks ago. My feedback from my WL manager was basically that I submitted my app too late and I received the "encourage to reapply" rejection letter when the kicked me off the WL. I'm trying to save others from experiencing the ame fate that I did.

So if you submit in October, you will be waaaaaay ahead of the apps submitted in December. The bottom line is to submit it as early as possible (of course your app needs to be ready). If you can't do so until November, that's fine, you'll be in better shape than people who submit in December or right before the "soft deadline" in January. If you apply in December, you are not way ahead of the game unless you are from a significantly underrepresented minority group (such as Native American female living in Portugal).

I'd be happy to talk about my specific 2007-2008 app experience offline.

My advice, apply as early as you possibly can.

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I'll be finishing my rough drafts for Kellogg this weekend. The hard ones are done (3 essays, 2 pgs each) and I just have to finish up shorter 2 essays (2 paragraphs each).

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you guys are all WAY ahead of many of us last year. I didn't take the GMAT until August 3rd and didn't start the application process until mid-August. Only was able to get 3 apps out in R1, since Kellogg's apps were due too early and I didn't want to sacrifice my Stanford app's quality (hindsight says I probably should have).

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I am on my 7th revision of my Why MBA, Why Now, Short/Long Term Goals outline since that will come up on most apps. Yes, *outline*.

I figured I should perfect this before starting the other outlines since this may be the most important question (and carries on into interviews).
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you guys are all WAY ahead of many of us last year. I didn't take the GMAT until August 3rd and didn't start the application process until mid-August. Only was able to get 3 apps out in R1, since Kellogg's apps were due too early and I didn't want to sacrifice my Stanford app's quality (hindsight says I probably should have).

Good luck y'all! You guys are all super on top of things!


Did you visit all the schools in the fall before R1 or were you smart and got it out of the way in the spring?

I'd like to submit most of my apps in R1, but fitting in a schools visit before R1 is due will be tough for at least 3 of my 5 schools.

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i wish I was smart enough to get it done in the spring, but I didn't decide to apply until late April. I was still able to visit all my schools. Berkeley starts early and has a late R1 deadline. UCLA was tough, but I found enough students there to show me around 2 weeks before the deadline. I visited Stanford also 2 weeks before their deadline, and Kellogg in November for the R2 deadline (but you can still make it if you go early October when visits start).

If you can't make a visit, I strongly urge you to talk to students and alums and learn about the school's program. This will help you shape your essays that much better.
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i wish I was smart enough to get it done in the spring, but I didn't decide to apply until late April. I was still able to visit all my schools. Berkeley starts early and has a late R1 deadline. UCLA was tough, but I found enough students there to show me around 2 weeks before the deadline. I visited Stanford also 2 weeks before their deadline, and Kellogg in November for the R2 deadline (but you can still make it if you go early October when visits start).

If you can't make a visit, I strongly urge you to talk to students and alums and learn about the school's program. This will help you shape your essays that much better.


I was able to fit in one visit (Tuck) before summer rolled around. But that one doesn't really count, because I'll have to self-initiate an interview before I send in my app anyways.

There are a couple schools with early R1s and I'm not sure if I'll be able to schedule a visit before the deadline.

I've already started contacting current students. A few have been REALLY helpful, very insightful information, others, not so much.

How do you go about contacting alumni? I know Duke has a database of alumni, others don't. Do you just contact admissions with the request?

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How do you go about contacting alumni? I know Duke has a database of alumni, others don't. Do you just contact admissions with the request?


You can often find alums by asking the students of those schools. Many will know alums who have just graduated. Also, the career services people at some schools (like Haas) are willing to refer you to some alums who can talk to you about jobs in your desired industry.
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How do you go about contacting alumni? I know Duke has a database of alumni, others don't. Do you just contact admissions with the request?


You can often find alums by asking the students of those schools. Many will know alums who have just graduated. Also, the career services people at some schools (like Haas) are willing to refer you to some alums who can talk to you about jobs in your desired industry.


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Just found out yesterday that my first draft for Columbia were all going toward the wrong directions.... major rewrites coming up this week!
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Starting working on my essays. I'm starting with Wharton, they seem to be totally standard. Going to do Chicago and Columbia afterwards since they will be similar (for me). Gonna keep Kellogg and Ross for last. I think that rounds off my list. I hope I can squeeze them all in Round 1 so I can know my fate before xmas lol.

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