sobe1hopeful wrote:
Mbamissionimp wrote:
sayak57 wrote:
Would someone be able to shed some light on whats the deal with Fuqua denying interviews to almost all Indian candidates this year? I mean, I got invited to interview for LBS, Said, UNC, Kellogg(adcom, not alum), Wharton, just not Duke....And it was a pretty great app too, since I lived nearby for a couple of years...
well first and foremost indian applicant pool is huge so your acceptance rate naturally goes down..second indians and asians have the highest grades so your competing against them and so you usually need to be at the higher end of the range...third affirmative action exists and schools have unofficial quotas and while diversity over talent is debatable it exists...ex-if you had the stats you do and you were from uganda or some african country you would have 100% got in but india and china are super competitive ...fourth-get over it - you got interviewed at wharton and other good schools so relax..not every school you apply to is going to roll out interviews! you also need to talk to professors attend events speak to adcom etc to get in...!
While I can agree with your first two points to some extent, I see no reason for you to bring up "affirmative action," "quotas" and "diversity over talent." I find the latter half of your comment to be pretty distasteful. Was it necessary to compare this Indian candidate to a made up Ugandan candidate (who would "100% get in")? That was pretty offensive.
sorry if you thought it was offensive but my point is simple that affirmative action exists...a candidate from an under-represented group or country would get in with a 750 gmat and a good gpa but asian students don't...i honestly don't even know what is offensive about it though? thats a proven fact. as i mentioned it is debatable whether diversity should be valued over talent ...some may argue that a diverse group even though its less talented may do a job better than a less diverse group with more talent or brainpower...so i am not saying whether its a right policy or wrong one but don't kid yourself affirmative action exists and the bar is set low for some groups thats just a fact of life...i can give you stats to prove that...
Students seeking admission to graduate schools of business are in most cases required to take the Graduate Management Admission Test. In 2005, 8,448 African Americans took the GMAT test. They made up 7.9 percent of all GMAT test takers that year.
The mean black score on the GMAT was 425. (The test is scored on the familiar 200 to 800 scale used for each section of the SAT test.) For whites, the mean GMAT score was 532. This is 107 points or 18 percent higher than the mean score for blacks.
1) The racial scoring gap on the GMAT test has increased in recent years. In 2003 the scoring gap was 101 points. The next year the gap increased to 104 points. And now the gap has increased further to 107 points.
The average GMAT score for admitted students at the nation's leading business schools is over 700. Perhaps only 1 or 2 percent of all black GMAT test takers score at this level. Therefore, without continuing affirmative action admissions programs at Harvard, Penn, Stanford, Northwestern, MIT, and other top MBA programs, the nation's leading business schools will have very few black students.The latest JBHE survey shows that blacks make up about 5 percent of the students at the nation's leading business schools. If affirmative action admissions programs were to be discontinued, African-American enrollments at these schools might drop by 75 percent.
2)Students seeking admission to the nation's highest-ranked law schools such as Yale, Harvard, and Stanford have a mean LSAT score of about 170. Data obtained by JBHE from the Law School Admission Council shows that very few blacks nationwide score at this level.
In 2004, 10,370 blacks took the LSAT examination. Only 29 blacks, or 0.3 percent of all LSAT test takers, scored 170 or above. In contrast, more than 1,900 white test takers scored 170 or above on the LSAT. They made up 3.1 percent of all white test takers. Thus whites were more than 10 times as likely as blacks to score 170 or above on the LSAT. There were 66 times as many whites as blacks who scored 170 or above on the test.
Even if we drop the scoring level to 165, a level equal to the mean score of students enrolling at law schools ranked in the top 10 nationwide but not at the very top, we still find very few blacks. There were 108 blacks scoring 165 or better on the LSAT in 2004. They made up 1 percent of all black test takers. For whites, there were 6,689 test takers who scored 165 or above. They made up 10.6 percent of all white students who took the LSAT examination.
The nation's top law schools could fill their classes exclusively with students who scored 165 or above on the LSAT. But if they were to do so, these law schools would have almost no black students.
3) Some stats from duke undergrad- It is true that if admission were based solely on test scores, more students of Asian descent would be admitted. In one recently published study, Asian American students who enrolled in Duke averaged 1457 out of 1600 on the math and reading portions of the SAT, compared to 1416 for whites, 1347 for Hispanics and 1275 for blacks.