Fuqua vs Ross for Consulting

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12 Jan 2015, 17:58

I might be biased, but I would choose Fuqua! For consulting both schools do well, so you can't go wrong with either. I have friends at Ross and Fuqua and they all swear by their school. Your decision should include factors such as location, faculty, academic program etc.

For me the biggest thing about Duke is that it is ranked higher than Ross and have few amazing things on its curriculum, such as Cole Fellows initiative, Fuqua on Board, etc. I can't speak to Ross since I never applied there. Also, personally, warmer Durham weather appeals to me over cold Michigan weather.

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Since both Michigan Ross and Duke Fuqua are not M7 schools, actually there are very few students sponsored by consulting firms, especially from MBB, in both schools. So it makes more sense to look into fulltime job placement data. Just grabbed those figures from both school's career report. I didn't find class size info of Duke Fuqua in earlier years, so I made an assumption that they kept it at around 430 in the past. Purely from the numbers below, don't think Duke did better job in sending people to MBB. And seems Michigan Ross has done better.

Umich 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013
MCK 16 10 13 19 14 17
BCG 12 5 5 13 16 12
Bain 5 10 6 8 9 8
MBB 33 25 24 40 39 37
Total size 410 427 434 500 488 501
% vs Total 8.0% 5.9% 5.5% 8.0% 8.0% 7.4%

Duke 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013
Mck 9 4 7 15 18 7
BCG 4 11 3 14 13 6
Bain 6 6 2 7 9 10
MBB 19 21 12 36 40 23
Total size 430 430 430 430 430 430
% vs Total 4.4% 4.9% 2.8% 8.4% 9.3% 5.3%

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24 Jan 2015, 10:53

mbain15 wrote:

Hey guys,

Lucky enough to have an admit from Ross and Fuqua from this week. I have a few questions that I was hoping that I could get answered "semi-anonomously" before I reach out to current students. Basically I'm looking to transition in to Management Consulting and I'm wondering which school will give me a better shot. After visiting both schools I feel like I got a better vibe from Michigan, and really like the school and facilities. But going over some numbers, and MC being the end goal, I'm rethinking my strategy.

I've read that using internship statistics is helpful in consulting recruiting, as the numbers won't be skewed by sponsored students.

From employment reports: Looking at internship numbers for MBB+ Deloitte and PwC. I'm not saying I am drawing the line here for firms, but I would like to give myself the best chance to get in to one of these firms, so I'm looking at these numbers.

Ross: 43
Fuqua: 56

Also just MBB is
Ross: 21
Fuqua: 32

Are these numbers significant enough to matter at all? 10 people isn't a large amount by any means, but I just want to make sure I'm giving myself the best chance possible. What does everyone else think between these 2 schools in general? You can ignore my nitpicking above and let me know your thoughts overall or if you think it doesn't really matter where I go, I'll have the same shot at either one.

Also assume no money at either.

Thanks

I'm in the same boat. Are you going to Feb BDW in Durham?

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24 Jan 2015, 11:20

Seeing as you're looking at similar opportunities for MC, I would consider other factors such as fit, cost, desired location after graduation to choose one or the other. If you decide you want to do MC, you'll do so from either school.

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The #'s favor Ross: https://poetsandquants.com/2014/01/17/wh ... sulting/2/

mbain15 wrote:

Hey guys,

Lucky enough to have an admit from Ross and Fuqua from this week. I have a few questions that I was hoping that I could get answered "semi-anonomously" before I reach out to current students. Basically I'm looking to transition in to Management Consulting and I'm wondering which school will give me a better shot. After visiting both schools I feel like I got a better vibe from Michigan, and really like the school and facilities. But going over some numbers, and MC being the end goal, I'm rethinking my strategy.

I've read that using internship statistics is helpful in consulting recruiting, as the numbers won't be skewed by sponsored students.

From employment reports: Looking at internship numbers for MBB+ Deloitte and PwC. I'm not saying I am drawing the line here for firms, but I would like to give myself the best chance to get in to one of these firms, so I'm looking at these numbers.

Ross: 43
Fuqua: 56

Also just MBB is
Ross: 21
Fuqua: 32

Are these numbers significant enough to matter at all? 10 people isn't a large amount by any means, but I just want to make sure I'm giving myself the best chance possible. What does everyone else think between these 2 schools in general? You can ignore my nitpicking above and let me know your thoughts overall or if you think it doesn't really matter where I go, I'll have the same shot at either one.

Also assume no money at either.

Thanks

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14 Mar 2015, 20:23

I'm now in this exact boat and am quite stuck. OP - what did you decide?

Not to hijack the thread, but in terms of international rep I'm sensing Duke trumps UMich? I might be moving back to Western Europe post MBA so it's something on my mind.

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revul wrote:

I'm now in this exact boat and am quite stuck. OP - what did you decide?

Not to hijack the thread, but in terms of international rep I'm sensing Duke trumps UMich? I might be moving back to Western Europe post MBA so it's something on my mind.

Hey, not sure about the international aspect at all, so I can't give any insight there. I have some posts on another thread about some developments at work, but I'm planning on going to Ross. The intangibles just worked in Ross's favor in my case.

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I'm in the same boat as well.

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mbain15 wrote:

Hey guys,

Lucky enough to have an admit from Ross and Fuqua from this week. I have a few questions that I was hoping that I could get answered "semi-anonomously" before I reach out to current students. Basically I'm looking to transition in to Management Consulting and I'm wondering which school will give me a better shot. After visiting both schools I feel like I got a better vibe from Michigan, and really like the school and facilities. But going over some numbers, and MC being the end goal, I'm rethinking my strategy.

I've read that using internship statistics is helpful in consulting recruiting, as the numbers won't be skewed by sponsored students.

From employment reports: Looking at internship numbers for MBB+ Deloitte and PwC. I'm not saying I am drawing the line here for firms, but I would like to give myself the best chance to get in to one of these firms, so I'm looking at these numbers.

Ross: 43
Fuqua: 56

Also just MBB is
Ross: 21
Fuqua: 32

Are these numbers significant enough to matter at all? 10 people isn't a large amount by any means, but I just want to make sure I'm giving myself the best chance possible. What does everyone else think between these 2 schools in general? You can ignore my nitpicking above and let me know your thoughts overall or if you think it doesn't really matter where I go, I'll have the same shot at either one.

Also assume no money at either.

Thanks

I'm in the same boat. Are you going to Feb BDW in Durham?

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I'm the third guy in this thread who was admitted by both Ross and Fuqua and waitlisted by Tuck:)
Talking of the original question, I will choose Fuqua. But my decision is mostly driven by the location of my girlfriend, she got a job offer from Charlotte. On top of that, I believe Fuqua has a better reputation in Eastern Europe where I could be back one day.
Based on my understanding of MBA recruiting in consulting the issue is to get invitation to an interview with MBB considering that there are 100+ students competing with you for several tens of spots. As soon as you are get invited it doesn't matter if it is Ross or Fuqua, what matters is your experience, case solving performance, communication and presentation skills etc. To my mind, if we would like to increase our chances to get an offer from MBB, Deloitte we should consider the number of interview spots and quantity of applicants. And I have now idea whether interview chances are better at Ross or Duke.

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IMO, these schools are pretty much peers. I think Fuqua places a little better in consulting and Duke has a slightly better international brand than UMich, so I would probably choose Fuqua if you were completely on the fence between the two. That said, if the Ross culture and opportunities resonate with you more, then you are more likely to thrive there. Honestly, every year there are cross-admits between these schools (and Darden) and people tend to make their decisions based on fit (and rightfully so).

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IMO, these schools are pretty much peers. I think Fuqua places a little better in consulting and Duke has a slightly better international brand than UMich, so I would probably choose Fuqua if you were completely on the fence between the two. That said, if the Ross culture and opportunities resonate with you more, then you are more likely to thrive there. Honestly, every year there are cross-admits between these schools (and Darden) and people tend to make their decisions based on fit (and rightfully so).

Sorry to be a bit a**hole, but do you have any evidence to prove Fuqua places better in consulting vs Michigan? Below are the numbers grabbed from both schools' career report. My takeaway from them is that Michigan has a slight edge in MBB placement, while both school have similar level in consulting placement in general.

Michigan 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 Mean
MBB vs Total 8.0% 5.9% 5.5% 8.0% 8.0% 7.4% 7.1%
Consulting vs Total 25% 25% 26% 28% 32% 33% 28%

Duke 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 Mean
MBB vs Total 4.4% 4.9% 2.8% 8.4% 9.3% 5.3% 5.9%
Consulting vs Total 25% 30% 20% 30% 33% 31% 28%

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I don't understand why the number of graduates going into consulting companies would be a decisive factor. Shouldn't the numbers/percentage be compared to how many ppl were interested in going into consulting in the first place?

In my opinion, both schools are great. You really can't say one is better than the other. OP should consider where he/she would like to end up post-graduation and actually visit the schools to get a feel for which school would be best to spend the next two years in.

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kingfalcon wrote:

IMO, these schools are pretty much peers. I think Fuqua places a little better in consulting and Duke has a slightly better international brand than UMich, so I would probably choose Fuqua if you were completely on the fence between the two. That said, if the Ross culture and opportunities resonate with you more, then you are more likely to thrive there. Honestly, every year there are cross-admits between these schools (and Darden) and people tend to make their decisions based on fit (and rightfully so).

Sorry to be a bit a**hole, but do you have any evidence to prove Fuqua places better in consulting vs Michigan? Below are the numbers grabbed from both schools' career report. My takeaway from them is that Michigan has a slight edge in MBB placement, while both school have similar level in consulting placement in general.

Michigan 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 Mean
MBB vs Total 8.0% 5.9% 5.5% 8.0% 8.0% 7.4% 7.1%
Consulting vs Total 25% 25% 26% 28% 32% 33% 28%

Duke 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 Mean
MBB vs Total 4.4% 4.9% 2.8% 8.4% 9.3% 5.3% 5.9%
Consulting vs Total 25% 30% 20% 30% 33% 31% 28%

Alright, buddy. Why don't you tone down the aggression a little bit? Notice how I said the two schools are peer schools? :roll:

Anyways, here is the data from 2013 for MBBD full-time offers plus internships:

Ross: 104 / 1003 = 10.3%
Fuqua: 116 / 875 = 13.2%

Now, I'm not going to run the numbers for previous years, but what you are likely seeing on your end is a high percentage of Ross students going to Accenture and EY, which is inflating Ross's consulting figures.

That said, I made it clear that I feel like the schools are peer schools and that Duke is (at best) marginally better. I agree with the poster above me that fit is more important here.

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coby9999 wrote:

kingfalcon wrote:

IMO, these schools are pretty much peers. I think Fuqua places a little better in consulting and Duke has a slightly better international brand than UMich, so I would probably choose Fuqua if you were completely on the fence between the two. That said, if the Ross culture and opportunities resonate with you more, then you are more likely to thrive there. Honestly, every year there are cross-admits between these schools (and Darden) and people tend to make their decisions based on fit (and rightfully so).

Sorry to be a bit a**hole, but do you have any evidence to prove Fuqua places better in consulting vs Michigan? Below are the numbers grabbed from both schools' career report. My takeaway from them is that Michigan has a slight edge in MBB placement, while both school have similar level in consulting placement in general.

Michigan 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 Mean
MBB vs Total 8.0% 5.9% 5.5% 8.0% 8.0% 7.4% 7.1%
Consulting vs Total 25% 25% 26% 28% 32% 33% 28%

Duke 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 Mean
MBB vs Total 4.4% 4.9% 2.8% 8.4% 9.3% 5.3% 5.9%
Consulting vs Total 25% 30% 20% 30% 33% 31% 28%

Alright, buddy. Why don't you tone down the aggression a little bit? Notice how I said the two schools are peer schools? :roll:

Anyways, here is the data from 2013 for MBBD full-time offers plus internships:

Ross: 104 / 1003 = 10.3%
Fuqua: 116 / 875 = 13.2%

Now, I'm not going to run the numbers for previous years, but what you are likely seeing on your end is a high percentage of Ross students going to Accenture and EY, which is inflating Ross's consulting figures.

That said, I made it clear that I feel like the schools are peer schools and that Duke is (at best) marginally better. I agree with the poster above me that fit is more important here.

Sorry to be tough... Actually I do agree that these two are peer school, while I am not convinced by the statement saying Duke is marginally better in consulting placement. I did a similar thing below, including MBB+D+Booz+ATK in the scope. Duke got a higher % in 2011, which has been boosted mainly by the 35 hires from Deloitte (vs Michigan's 20). Other than that, Michigan has a higher MBB+D % as well as MBB+D+Booz+ATK % for most of the time.

Michigan 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013
Mck 16 10 13 19 14 17
Bain 5 10 5 8 9 8
BCG 12 5 6 13 16 12
Deloitte 11 13 11 20 29 25
Booz 9 6 6 5 8 5
ATK 5 8 0 6 7 4
MBB+D 44 38 35 60 68 62
MBB+D/B/A 58 52 41 71 83 71
Total size 410 427 434 500 488 501
MBB+D 10.7% 8.9% 8.1% 12.0%13.9%12.4%
MBB+D/B/A 14.1% 12.2%9.4%14.2%17.0%14.2%

Duke 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013
Mck 9 4 7 15 18 7
Bain 6 6 2 7 9 10
BCG 4 11 3 14 13 6
Deloitte 11 17 18 35 30 28
Booz NA 2 1 3 NA 4
ATK NA 2 NA NA 2 5
MBB+D 30 38 30 71 70 51
MBB+D/B/A 30 42 31 74 72 60
Total size 430 430 430 430 430 430
MBB+D 7.0% 8.8% 7.0% 16.5%16.3%11.9%
MBB+D/B/A 7.0% 9.8% 7.2% 17.2%16.7%14.0%

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