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# GMAT-680(90th Percentile). Should I retake?

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15 Oct 2004, 18:24
Hi all,

Pls advise on whether I should retake my Gmat. My scores are as follows-
Q-48, V-35.

I would like to apply for scholarship. Do you think i have any chance to gaining admission and getting a scholarship? Oh yes, I would like to apply for a phD in business.

By the way, I am an international applicant.

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17 Oct 2004, 23:44
1. PhD in business programs are almost always with scholarship.
2. 680 is low for an international applicant. Your GPA scores are quite good, However, there are many other factors which you may like to review before deciding to retake. Like your experience, the schools you wish to apply to and the streams of research that interest you.

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18 Oct 2004, 05:04
I've presented and published 1 paper
have about 1 year of teaching experience
interested in applying to MIS

Will most prob retake my gmat soon.

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18 Oct 2004, 07:29
Anupag,

I've noticed in a number of your posts that you make a distinction in terms of acceptable GMAT scores for international vs. domestic students. Would you mind clarifying why there is a difference in requisite scores for both groups? Also, if you were to segment the pool of applicants into those two groups, what would be an acceptable range of scores for a domestic vs. international student?

Thanks!

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19 Oct 2004, 03:56
Hi Soulutions

Yes, I make that distinction. And it probably is ok going by the Data that I have of international applicants to US schools and European schools (Insead and LBS only). This is only my perception and small sample data, please do not take it as gospel truth. Maybe my bias, since I am an international applicant.

The reasons why a higher GMAT is often a plus for an international applicant are two :
A) Almost all other information is slightly ambiguous for most of the faculty members. If 10 people say they are a 3.7 GPA from XYZ University in China, what does it mean ? And what if you are a 3.7 from Princeton? It obviously depends on whether XYZ has a good record/prestige etc. But given a choice, a PhD program committee (say of a US School) will have an easier time deciding whether that Princeton graduate is PhD material than that applicant from China. And therefore these faculty members (maybe subconsciously) favour using GMAT as a critical differentiator.
B) The international applicant pool is large. And competitive. A higher GMAT signals a better preparation for the program

Net, for shortlisting within an international pool, GMAT is a quick, reliable shortcut. For shortlisting within an American pool, you are not so sure of GMAT as a differentiator. Beyond the shortlisting, other things matter.

Is this true ? MAYBE.

Can you take a chance? Maybe at 720. Maybe not at 680.

IS GMAT CRITICAL THEN ? NO - GMAT, SOP, GPA, EXPERIENCE, INTEREST, EVERYTHING matters. The application package is a whole. But you can improve on GMAT and SOP, not your GPA and experience (at least not in the last two months of application .) So, there - Good SOP and Good GMAT => Increased admit chance for internationals!

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19 Oct 2004, 07:26
Thanks, Anupag!

You make an excellent point. It stands to reason that at this point the only factors you can control are those factors you can control: gmat & sop. If a person is considering moving on to graduate work, it is probably a little late to significantly alter thier GPA or prestige of undergraduate institution. As such, it is critical that those elements be as impressive as possible.

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