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GMAT first attempt -660(Q43/V38/IR5)- Need advise regarding retake

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09 Dec 2018, 03:20
Hello members,

I would like to share my first GMAT experience though it was not as per my wishes. I appeared for my exam on 5th December (after booking the test on 4th night/had to book in a hurry) and ended up getting a dismal score of 660 (Q43/V38/IR5). I was targeting somewhere around 710-720 but i messed up in my quant section. Regarding my preperation, i would like to appreciate eGMAT for its wonderful verbal course which certainly helped me a lot. I was always struggling with quant and despite several efforts i couldn't improve in time.

Being a seafarer, i need to go back on ship and be away for 6 months from preperation. In any case my plan was to apply next year. I am planning for my retake once i come back and thus will have about 3 months for prep which will be a lot less than the time i had for my first attempt (8 months).

I would like advices regarding my approach and preperation for retake. Since i will be taking a break of 6 months, it would be like starting from scratch. After analysing my ESR, i realized that my problem in quant is not the concept but time management. i was running out of time in actual exam and i had to guess answers for last 6 questions. Same goes for verbal in which i had to guess 3 at the end. If only i can manage to finish test on time, then i might be able to hit Q49 and may be V40.

I am not writing an elaborate review as it suits those who succeded in their efforts. I would still like to thank this platform of GMAT CLUB that provides students with an immense support and a place to share and seek advices. I have utilised this platform a lot and hope to do the same in future too.

I once again appeal to experts and friends to guide me in this ardent journey of GMAT and help me realize my goal.

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09 Dec 2018, 03:43
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In my view, time management during the test is a problem point for you.
Mock test and pacing strategy will help you in resolving time management issue.

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12 Dec 2018, 10:23
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Hi Kumar,

Thank you for sharing your story. The good news is that 660 is a pretty good start! So, don’t hang your head, my friend. With a smart and structured study plan, you CAN improve your GMAT score.

Regarding your study plan, since you plan to take 6 months off, I will provide advice as if you are starting your GMAT prep from scratch (as you requested). For your retake, ideally you want to follow a linear study plan that allows you to start with the foundations and move to more advanced topics. By following a structured and methodical approach, you can ensure that you master each topic individually as you progress through GMAT quant and verbal.

For example, if you are learning about Number Properties, you should develop as much conceptual knowledge about Number Properties as possible. In other words, your goal will be to completely understand properties of factorials, perfect squares, quadratic patterns, LCM, GCF, units digit patterns, divisibility, and remainders, to name a few concepts. After carefully reviewing the conceptual underpinnings of how to answer Number Properties questions, practice by answering 50 or more questions just from Number Properties. When you do dozens of questions of the same type one after the other, you learn just what it takes to get questions of that type correct consistently. If you aren't getting close to 90 percent of questions of a certain type correct, go back and seek to better understand how that type of question works, and then do more questions of that type until you get to around at least 90 percent accuracy in your training. If you get 100 percent of some sets correct, even better. Number Properties is just one example; follow this process for all quant topics.

When you are working on learning to answer questions of a particular type, start off taking your time, and then seek to speed up as you get more comfortable answering questions of that type. As you do such practice, do a thorough analysis of each question that you don't get right. If you got a remainder question wrong, ask yourself why. Did you make a careless mistake? Did you not properly apply the remainder formula? Was there a concept you did not understand in the question? By carefully analyzing your mistakes, you will be able to efficiently fix your weaknesses and in turn improve your GMAT quant skills.

Follow a similar routine for verbal. For example, let’s say you start by learning about Critical Reasoning. Your first goal is to fully master the individual topics: Strengthen the Argument, Weaken the Argument, Resolve the Paradox, etc. As you learn each Critical Reasoning problem type, do focused practice so that you can track your skill in answering each type. If, for example, you incorrectly answered a Weaken the Argument question, ask yourself why. Did you make a careless mistake? Did you not recognize the specific question type? Were you doing too much analysis in your head? Did you skip over a keyword in an answer choice? You must thoroughly analyze your mistakes and seek to turn weaknesses into strengths by focusing on the question types you dread seeing and the questions you take a long time to answer correctly.

When practicing Reading Comprehension, you need to develop a reading strategy that is both efficient and thorough. Reading too fast and not understanding what you have read are equally as harmful as reading too slow and using up too much time. When attacking Reading Comprehension passages, you must have one clear goal in mind: to understand the context of what you are reading. However, you must do so efficiently, so you need to avoid getting bogged down in the details of each paragraph and focus on understanding the main point of each paragraph. That being said, do not fall into the trap of thinking that you can just read the intro and the conclusion and comprehend the main idea of a paragraph. As you read a paragraph, consider how the context of the paragraph relates to previous paragraphs, so you can continue developing your overall understanding of the passage. Furthermore, as you practice, focus on the exact types of questions with which you struggle: Find the Main Idea, Inference, Author’s Tone, etc. As with Critical Reasoning, analyze your incorrect answers to better determine why you tend to get a particular question type wrong, and then improve upon your weaknesses. You can perfect your reading strategy with a lot of practice, but keep in mind that GMAT Reading Comprehension passages are not meant to be stimulating. So, to better prepare yourself to tackle such bland passages, read magazines with similar content and style, such as the Economist, Scientific American, and Smithsonian.

Sentence Correction is a bit of a different animal compared to Reading Comprehension and Critical Reasoning. There are three aspects to getting correct answers to GMAT Sentence Correction questions: what you know, such as grammar rules, what you see, such as violations of grammar rules and the logic of sentence structure, and what you do, such as carefully considering each answer choice in the context of the non-underlined portion of the sentence. To drive up your Sentence Correction score, it is likely that you will have to work on all three of those aspects.

Regarding what you know, first and foremost, you MUST know your grammar rules. Let's be clear, though: GMAT Sentence Correction is not just a test of knowledge of grammar rules. The reason for learning grammar rules is so that you can determine what sentences convey and whether sentences are well-constructed. In fact, in many cases, incorrect answers to Sentence Correction questions are grammatically flawless. Thus, often your task is to use your knowledge of grammar rules to determine which answer choice creates the most logical sentence meaning and structure.

This determination of whether sentences are well-constructed and logical is the second aspect of finding correct answers to Sentence Correction questions, what you see. To develop this skill, you probably have to slow way down. You won't develop this skill by spending under two minutes per question. For a while, anyway, you have to spend time with each question, maybe even ten or fifteen minutes on one question sometimes, analyzing every answer choice until you see the details that you have to see in order to choose the correct answer. As you go through the answer choices, consider the meaning conveyed by each version of the sentence. Does the meaning make sense? Even if you can tell what the version is SUPPOSED to convey, does the version really convey that meaning? Is there a verb to go with the subject? Do all pronouns clearly refer to nouns? By slowing way down and looking for these details, you learn to see what you have to see in order to clearly understand which answer to a Sentence Correction question is correct.

There is only one correct answer to any Sentence Correction question, there are clear reasons why that choice is correct and the others are not, and those reasons are not that the correct version simply "sounds right." In fact, the correct version often sounds a little off at first. That correct answers may sound a little off is not surprising. If the correct answer were always the one that sounded right, then most people most of the time would get Sentence Correction questions correct, without really knowing why the wrong answers were wrong and the correct answers were correct. So, you have to go beyond choosing what "sounds right" and learn to clearly see the logical reasons why one choice is better than all of the others.

As for the third aspect of getting Sentence Correction questions correct, what you do, the main thing you have to do is be very careful. You have to make sure that you are truly considering the structures of sentences and the meanings conveyed rather than allowing yourself to be tricked into choosing trap answers that sound right but don't convey logical meanings. You also have to make sure that you put some real energy into finding the correct answers. Finding the correct answer to a Sentence Correction question may take bouncing from choice to choice repeatedly until you start to see the differences between the choices that make all choices wrong except for one. Often, when you first look at the choices, only one or two seem obviously incorrect. Getting the right answers takes a certain work ethic. You have to be determined to see the differences and figure out the precise reasons that one choice is correct.

To improve what you do when you answer Sentence Correction questions, seek to become aware of how you are going about answering them. Are you being careful and looking for logic and details, or are you quickly eliminating choices that sound a little off and then choosing the best of the rest? If you choose an incorrect answer, consider what you did that resulted in your arriving at that answer and what you could do differently in order to arrive at correct answers more consistently. Furthermore, see how many questions you can get correct in a row as you practice. If you break your streak by missing one, consider what you could have done differently to extend your streak.

As with your Critical Reasoning and Reading Comprehension regimens, after learning a particular Sentence Correction topic, engage in focused practice with 30 questions or more that involve that topic. As your skills improve, you will then want to practice with questions that test you on skills from multiple Sentence Correction topics.

In order to follow the path described above, you may consider using an online self-study course, so take a look at the GMAT Club reviews for the best quant and verbal courses.

how to score a 700+ on the GMAT.

Feel free to reach out with any further questions.
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12 Dec 2018, 19:24
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Hi Kumar Utkarsh,

First off, a 660 is a strong score (it's right around the 80th percentile overall), so it could be enough to get you into your first-choice School. As such, a retest might not be necessary. Since you're going to be away from your studies for some time, I'd like to know a bit more about your timeline and your overall Goals:

1) When are you planning to apply to Business School?
2) What Schools are you planning to apply to?
3) If you do choose to retest, when would you be planning to restart your studies? When would you plan to retake the GMAT?

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ScottTargetTestPrep wrote:
Hi Kumar,

Thank you for sharing your story. The good news is that 660 is a pretty good start! So, don’t hang your head, my friend. With a smart and structured study plan, you CAN improve your GMAT score.

Regarding your study plan, since you plan to take 6 months off, I will provide advice as if you are starting your GMAT prep from scratch (as you requested). For your retake, ideally you want to follow a linear study plan that allows you to start with the foundations and move to more advanced topics. By following a structured and methodical approach, you can ensure that you master each topic individually as you progress through GMAT quant and verbal.

For example, if you are learning about Number Properties, you should develop as much conceptual knowledge about Number Properties as possible. In other words, your goal will be to completely understand properties of factorials, perfect squares, quadratic patterns, LCM, GCF, units digit patterns, divisibility, and remainders, to name a few concepts. After carefully reviewing the conceptual underpinnings of how to answer Number Properties questions, practice by answering 50 or more questions just from Number Properties. When you do dozens of questions of the same type one after the other, you learn just what it takes to get questions of that type correct consistently. If you aren't getting close to 90 percent of questions of a certain type correct, go back and seek to better understand how that type of question works, and then do more questions of that type until you get to around at least 90 percent accuracy in your training. If you get 100 percent of some sets correct, even better. Number Properties is just one example; follow this process for all quant topics.

When you are working on learning to answer questions of a particular type, start off taking your time, and then seek to speed up as you get more comfortable answering questions of that type. As you do such practice, do a thorough analysis of each question that you don't get right. If you got a remainder question wrong, ask yourself why. Did you make a careless mistake? Did you not properly apply the remainder formula? Was there a concept you did not understand in the question? By carefully analyzing your mistakes, you will be able to efficiently fix your weaknesses and in turn improve your GMAT quant skills.

Follow a similar routine for verbal. For example, let’s say you start by learning about Critical Reasoning. Your first goal is to fully master the individual topics: Strengthen the Argument, Weaken the Argument, Resolve the Paradox, etc. As you learn each Critical Reasoning problem type, do focused practice so that you can track your skill in answering each type. If, for example, you incorrectly answered a Weaken the Argument question, ask yourself why. Did you make a careless mistake? Did you not recognize the specific question type? Were you doing too much analysis in your head? Did you skip over a keyword in an answer choice? You must thoroughly analyze your mistakes and seek to turn weaknesses into strengths by focusing on the question types you dread seeing and the questions you take a long time to answer correctly.

When practicing Reading Comprehension, you need to develop a reading strategy that is both efficient and thorough. Reading too fast and not understanding what you have read are equally as harmful as reading too slow and using up too much time. When attacking Reading Comprehension passages, you must have one clear goal in mind: to understand the context of what you are reading. However, you must do so efficiently, so you need to avoid getting bogged down in the details of each paragraph and focus on understanding the main point of each paragraph. That being said, do not fall into the trap of thinking that you can just read the intro and the conclusion and comprehend the main idea of a paragraph. As you read a paragraph, consider how the context of the paragraph relates to previous paragraphs, so you can continue developing your overall understanding of the passage. Furthermore, as you practice, focus on the exact types of questions with which you struggle: Find the Main Idea, Inference, Author’s Tone, etc. As with Critical Reasoning, analyze your incorrect answers to better determine why you tend to get a particular question type wrong, and then improve upon your weaknesses. You can perfect your reading strategy with a lot of practice, but keep in mind that GMAT Reading Comprehension passages are not meant to be stimulating. So, to better prepare yourself to tackle such bland passages, read magazines with similar content and style, such as the Economist, Scientific American, and Smithsonian.

Sentence Correction is a bit of a different animal compared to Reading Comprehension and Critical Reasoning. There are three aspects to getting correct answers to GMAT Sentence Correction questions: what you know, such as grammar rules, what you see, such as violations of grammar rules and the logic of sentence structure, and what you do, such as carefully considering each answer choice in the context of the non-underlined portion of the sentence. To drive up your Sentence Correction score, it is likely that you will have to work on all three of those aspects.

Regarding what you know, first and foremost, you MUST know your grammar rules. Let's be clear, though: GMAT Sentence Correction is not just a test of knowledge of grammar rules. The reason for learning grammar rules is so that you can determine what sentences convey and whether sentences are well-constructed. In fact, in many cases, incorrect answers to Sentence Correction questions are grammatically flawless. Thus, often your task is to use your knowledge of grammar rules to determine which answer choice creates the most logical sentence meaning and structure.

This determination of whether sentences are well-constructed and logical is the second aspect of finding correct answers to Sentence Correction questions, what you see. To develop this skill, you probably have to slow way down. You won't develop this skill by spending under two minutes per question. For a while, anyway, you have to spend time with each question, maybe even ten or fifteen minutes on one question sometimes, analyzing every answer choice until you see the details that you have to see in order to choose the correct answer. As you go through the answer choices, consider the meaning conveyed by each version of the sentence. Does the meaning make sense? Even if you can tell what the version is SUPPOSED to convey, does the version really convey that meaning? Is there a verb to go with the subject? Do all pronouns clearly refer to nouns? By slowing way down and looking for these details, you learn to see what you have to see in order to clearly understand which answer to a Sentence Correction question is correct.

There is only one correct answer to any Sentence Correction question, there are clear reasons why that choice is correct and the others are not, and those reasons are not that the correct version simply "sounds right." In fact, the correct version often sounds a little off at first. That correct answers may sound a little off is not surprising. If the correct answer were always the one that sounded right, then most people most of the time would get Sentence Correction questions correct, without really knowing why the wrong answers were wrong and the correct answers were correct. So, you have to go beyond choosing what "sounds right" and learn to clearly see the logical reasons why one choice is better than all of the others.

As for the third aspect of getting Sentence Correction questions correct, what you do, the main thing you have to do is be very careful. You have to make sure that you are truly considering the structures of sentences and the meanings conveyed rather than allowing yourself to be tricked into choosing trap answers that sound right but don't convey logical meanings. You also have to make sure that you put some real energy into finding the correct answers. Finding the correct answer to a Sentence Correction question may take bouncing from choice to choice repeatedly until you start to see the differences between the choices that make all choices wrong except for one. Often, when you first look at the choices, only one or two seem obviously incorrect. Getting the right answers takes a certain work ethic. You have to be determined to see the differences and figure out the precise reasons that one choice is correct.

To improve what you do when you answer Sentence Correction questions, seek to become aware of how you are going about answering them. Are you being careful and looking for logic and details, or are you quickly eliminating choices that sound a little off and then choosing the best of the rest? If you choose an incorrect answer, consider what you did that resulted in your arriving at that answer and what you could do differently in order to arrive at correct answers more consistently. Furthermore, see how many questions you can get correct in a row as you practice. If you break your streak by missing one, consider what you could have done differently to extend your streak.

As with your Critical Reasoning and Reading Comprehension regimens, after learning a particular Sentence Correction topic, engage in focused practice with 30 questions or more that involve that topic. As your skills improve, you will then want to practice with questions that test you on skills from multiple Sentence Correction topics.

In order to follow the path described above, you may consider using an online self-study course, so take a look at the GMAT Club reviews for the best quant and verbal courses.

how to score a 700+ on the GMAT.

Feel free to reach out with any further questions.

Hello sir,
Good Day.

First of all, i am grateful to you for taking out time to give a detailed reply with suggestions to my query. Your reply encourages me to continue my journey.

Now coming to my problems, i understand that my major area of concern is Quant. Even though my verbal is decent , i will work in that area too. During my away time, i will take up on your advise to improve my verbal skills by reading and understanding standard reads and journals. However, for quant i guess i can make whole hearted efforts only when i come back and take up some online course. I am not considering taking up any course now as i would not be able to access it on regular basis while onboard. The only question remains is how much time will be required to get my score next time. I guess i will get to see that once i come back. To be honest , i refuse to accept that my quant is so bad as reflected in my score but then numbers speaks for themselves.

Thank you once again for your inspiring reply and suggestions. I will write to you again if situation demands.

Thanks & Best regards
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13 Dec 2018, 07:59
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Kumar Utkarsh wrote:
Regarding my preperation, i would like to appreciate eGMAT for its wonderful verbal course which certainly helped me a lot.

How much time did you spend learning Verbal? Could you please share more insight into your Verbal prep?

How were you on Verbal section before you started your prep?
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Hi Kumar Utkarsh,

First off, a 660 is a strong score (it's right around the 80th percentile overall), so it could be enough to get you into your first-choice School. As such, a retest might not be necessary. Since you're going to be away from your studies for some time, I'd like to know a bit more about your timeline and your overall Goals:

1) When are you planning to apply to Business School?
2) What Schools are you planning to apply to?
3) If you do choose to retest, when would you be planning to restart your studies? When would you plan to retake the GMAT?

GMAT assassins aren't born, they're made,
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Hello sir,
Good Day.

Thank you for appreciating my score even though it was not something that i wanted. As you mentioned that i might get a call from my first choice schools, but i don't feel very confident owing to my profile. To make things a little clear, i am detailing my profile as follows:

10th: 88% (ICSE) (2005)
12th: 79% (ISC)(2007)
UG: B.Sc (Nautical Sciences) 71%(first div) Mumbai University- TS CHANAKYA(2008-2011)
GMAT 1: 660(Q43/V38/IR5) (wil be appearing again next year before application)

Professional background:
Total WE: 6+(applying for 2020 class) in Merchant Navy on cargo ships (foreign going)
Current rank : Second navigating Officer (current sailing exp: 10 months)(2016-2018)
Previous Ranks: Third navigating Officer (16 months sailing exp)(2014-2016)
Training navigating officer (12 months sailing exp)(2012-2014)

Extra- Curriculars:
- Head of Literary Committee in college (Third year)(2010-2011)
- member of Literary Committee in college(First & Second Year- 2008-2010)
- Editor of college magazine & Wall magazine
- Head of college fest organizers in third year
- Member of college fest committee in first & Second year
- Organised various cultural events throughout the college tenure
- Various achievements at school level in olympiads and competitions
- Member of NGOs such as Bhumi & Green peace

Future Goal:
To work as operations manager with Amazon/OYO/RIVIGO/Paytm and others

In reply to your questions, i will try to answer in best way i can as of now:
1) When are you planning to apply to Business School?- year 2019 R1/R2
2) What Schools are you planning to apply to?- INDIAN schools (ISB, IIM A/B) and US schools (DUKE, EMORY, KENAN FLAGLER ,etc - my research is still ongoing)
3) If you do choose to retest, when would you be planning to restart your studies? When would you plan to retake the GMAT?- i can go with full force once i get back i.e. end of MAY'19. While onboard ship, it is very difficult to take out time and will have limited access to internet. Still i plan to take give atleast an hour daily to my efforts. My plan to retake will be from August month so that i can apply in R1. If not successfull, then prior R2.

I am not targetting any top 10 colleges as i understand my profile is not that great and no matter how much i score, i might never be invited for interview. This i speak from the experiences of my seniors and collegues in same job. So my target is to get atleast 710-720 with a balanced score in quant and verbal.

Thanks & Best regard
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13 Dec 2018, 14:11
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Hi Kumar Utkarsh,

Since you've named some specific Schools, you would likely find it useful to discuss your overall application plans and profile with an Admissions Expert. There's a Forum full of those Experts here:

If your ultimately do choose to retest, then your first step when you get back in should be to take a new, FULL-LENGTH CAT so that we can assess your strengths and weaknesses at that time. GMAT skills tend to fade over time, so it's likely that that Score will be a bit lower, but with 3 months of additional study time, you could potentially improve a great deal. You should plan to post back here once you're ready and we can put together a proper Study Plan. You can also feel free to email me directly at any time.

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Hey Kumar,

It could take another 3+ months of prep to improve your quant score. In any case, check back in once you get back on the GMAT horse, and we can go from there.
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