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# Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved from the previous

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Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved from the previous year, only look less appetizing than their round and red supermarket cousins, often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but are more flavorful.

(A) cousins, often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but are
(B) cousins, often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although
(C) cousins, often green and striped, or they have plenty of bumps and bruises, although they are
(D) cousins; they are often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although
(E) cousins; they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but they are

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vivekdixit07 wrote:
Above question has already been discussed in this forum.

But I need more explanation in reference to the usage of although in D.

Someone wrote in the previous three that Although don't have a subject in D, hence option D is wrong.

Please explain the above concept in detail.

The word "although" kicks of a dependent CLAUSE and needs a cleear subject.

Examples:

Although they had no umbrellas, the excited children ran outside to enjoy the summer rainstorm. -- Logical and Correct.
Although had no umbrellas, the excited children ran outside to enjoy the summer rainstorm - Illogical without the subject "they".

In option D [although are more flavorful], "although" does not have an explicit (or even clearly implied) subject, therefore it is incorrect.

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(A) "often green and striped" is a modifier that is right after cousins. Since the cousins are red, this modifier is in the wrong place.
(B) "often green and striped" is a modifier that is right after cousins. Since the cousins are red, this modifier is in the wrong place.
(C) "often green and striped" is a modifier that is right after cousins. Since the cousins are red, this modifier is in the wrong place.
(D) Since there is a ";" "they" in the new clause is referring to the tomatoes. However they are not "with". "They have" is better.
(E) CORRECT - Both "they" refer to tomatoes.
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18 Feb 2009, 21:38
Tough question but flipping the question makes it a bit easier

Will go with D
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18 Feb 2009, 23:20
Between D and E, i will go for E.

In D, although introduces a subordinate clause, which needs a subject. The construction 'although more flavorful' does not have a subject

In E, conjunction 'but' joins two parallel and independent sentences.

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A, B and C clearly are wrong, because they take the information about heirloom tomatoes and put it into a grammatical structure which makes it a postmodifier of the SUPERMARKET tomatoes. (The grammatical structure used, if anyone cares, is a non-restrictive postmodifying adjective phrase. Actually, it is a sequence of two such phrases.)

The difference between D and E is also fairly obvious. In D, the two postmodifying phrases are not parallel in structure (clause with verb and prepositional phrase), while in E, they are both clauses with verbs. So only E can be correct.

The problem, as icandy says, is that "they" in E is still grammatically ambiguous. Maybe this indicates that the question is not an official GMAC question. But from what I have seen, even the GMAC itself is not perfectly consistent about pronoun ambiguity. I think (not quite sure) that sometimes they accept a pronoun ambiguity such as this one in one question, while treating the same thing as wrong in another question.
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19 Feb 2009, 16:46
This is one of many places where test-taking strategies are important. At Kaplan, we teach you that if a question is taking too much time and you can't see a reasonable way to find the answer -- you should eliminate the clearly wrong ones, pick one of the rest, and MOVE ON.

You will get much more value out of your time if you use it on other questions than if you devote it on a question on which you are going nowhere. This particular situation -- NO answer choice that is error-free -- is one of those which could make you go nowhere, but not the only one. Even if the problem is that you forgot something that you ought to know and that is critical for the question, moving on is better than thinking in circles.
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This is one of many places where test-taking strategies are important. At Kaplan, we teach you that if a question is taking too much time and you can't see a reasonable way to find the answer -- you should eliminate the clearly wrong ones, pick one of the rest, and MOVE ON.

You will get much more value out of your time if you use it on other questions than if you devote it on a question on which you are going nowhere. This particular situation -- NO answer choice that is error-free -- is one of those which could make you go nowhere, but not the only one. Even if the problem is that you forgot something that you ought to know and that is critical for the question, moving on is better than thinking in circles.

Well said. I guess Some how I am finding it hard to let a Q go. Probably I am unconsciously concerned that if I start letting Q's go, I will end up letting too many go. I understand that if I dont have an snwer in 2 min 15-20 sec that Q is most probably a bust.

I used to take close to 120 sec for sc questions as well but made great strides and I am picking up CR pretty well too lately. RC has been one of the pain points from GRE days and I am picking up good pace there too. I guess I need more discipline in letting a Q or two go. Its better than having 6 questions in the last minute or two.
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Sanjay I think you mean subject of the first sentence.

I think Heirloom tomatoes in the first half of the sentence is the subject.

I think the they/it refers to the subject of the first part of the sentence.

And am I correct in thinking that:

D. cousins; they are often green and striped (verb clause), or with plenty of bumps and bruises (prepositional phrase) although ---Hence NOT CORRECT
E. cousins; they are often green and striped (verb clause), or have plenty of bumps and bruises (verb clause), but they are ----Hence CORRECT

So it doesnt have anything to do with the usage of Although? D is not wrong coz of although?
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"Although" cannot be used to introduce phrases. It should be followed with a subordinate clause, which has a subject and verb. (Ref OG 11, explanation for SC 9).

So B and D are out.
C out for using "they have plenty", where I feel "they" is ambiguously used and sentence structure is illogocal.

Out of A and E, E sounds logical, though in this option as well I find "they" used ambiguously.

IMO E
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27 Jul 2009, 11:35
(A), (B), and (C) are out 'cause there is a problem with a modifier: it is not the supermarket cousins who are often green and striped but Heirloom tomatoes.
(E) seems to be better constructed than (D).
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01 Mar 2010, 06:35

Second part of statement underlined "often green and striped," is incomplete and should be "they are often green and striped,". Hence only D & E possible.

Last part of statement underlined "although" does not fit the flow of sentence and it should be "but, they are" hence E.
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Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved from the previous year, only look less appetizing than their round and red supermarket cousins, often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but are more flavorful.

(A) cousins, often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but are
(B) cousins, often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although
(C) cousins, often green and striped, or they have plenty of bumps and bruises, although they are
(D) cousins; they are often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although
(E) cousins; they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but they are

I was stuck with a and e because I thought that there is a confusion in 'they.'

but anyways a is out because 'often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises' can't be parallel
b is out because of the usage of 'although'
c is out because of they
between d and e..because of the contrast shown in the original sentence, H tomats are the subject of they.

it is asking the usage of although I guess.

There are two contrast points before 'although'
so it is better to use 'but' here to contrast.

thus, e.
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13 Mar 2010, 10:39
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Sanjay I think you mean subject of the first sentence.

I think Heirloom tomatoes in the first half of the sentence is the subject.

I think the they/it refers to the subject of the first part of the sentence.

And am I correct in thinking that:

D. cousins; they are often green and striped (verb clause), or with plenty of bumps and bruises (prepositional phrase) although ---Hence NOT CORRECT
E. cousins; they are often green and striped (verb clause), or have plenty of bumps and bruises (verb clause), but they are ----Hence CORRECT

So it doesnt have anything to do with the usage of Although? D is not wrong coz of although?

I was also confused between D and E. I was under the impression that although cannot be used. Do we really need to know about things like verb clauses and prepositional clauses and such? This means we need to have a solid grip on the theory of grammar, is this really necessary?
Can someone with enough experience on GMAT topics tell me if its needed to study grammar to such an extent? If so where can I find a grammar book tuned to GMAT requirement?
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what argument tries to say is that although year old, heirloom tomatoes look clumsy they are still more fruitful that their cousins .

a. cousins, often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but are - modify cousins not old tomatoes .
B. cousins, often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although - same here
C. cousins, often green and striped, or they have plenty of bumps and bruises, although they are - same here
D. cousins; they are often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although - after "although" we need complete clause
E - "They" refers to subject of previous clause - heirloom tomatoes !
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06 Mar 2011, 20:55
In order to simplify Read the statement like:

Heirloom tomatoes[strike], grown from seeds saved from the previous year,[/strike]only look less appetizing than their round and red supermarket cousins[strike], often green and striped,[/strike]or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but are more flavorful.

Agree with somebody here that "what argument tries to say is that although year old, heirloom tomatoes look clumsy they are still more fruitful that their cousins." It is clear that "but" is necessary in a correct sentence. Therefore options with "although" can be ruled out.

"They" is necessary for right reference.

Clearly the winner is E.
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06 Mar 2011, 22:42
icandy wrote:
Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved from the previous year, only look less appetizing than their round and red supermarket cousins, often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but are more flavorful.

(A) cousins, often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but are (misplaced modifier)
(B) cousins, often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although ( misplaced modifier)
(C) cousins, often green and striped, or they have plenty of bumps and bruises, although they are (misplaced modifier)
(D) cousins; they are often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although ( i have not studied clauses in detail yet, but a semicolon implies an independent clause is beginning)
(E) cousins; they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but they are

still if some expert clarifies the usage of 'although' in detail , it would be very helpful
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coelholds wrote:
(A) "often green and striped" is a modifier that is right after cousins. Since the cousins are red, this modifier is in the wrong place.
(B) "often green and striped" is a modifier that is right after cousins. Since the cousins are red, this modifier is in the wrong place.
(C) "often green and striped" is a modifier that is right after cousins. Since the cousins are red, this modifier is in the wrong place.
(D) Since there is a ";" "they" in the new clause is referring to the tomatoes. However they are not "with". "They have" is better.
(E) CORRECT - Both "they" refer to tomatoes.

Wonderful Explanation as i missed to spot that [[highlight]the cousins are red,[/highlight]]

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I picked E but it took me a full 2 minutes.
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13 Sep 2011, 20:57
E uses parallel verb clauses. So the answer is E

There is no use of 'although' when you're just saying that 'they are green and striped, although more flavorful'. The comparison is not properly maintained here.

Going by general understanding, we say the ripe tomatoes are always flavorful and the green ones aren't . That's why the use of 'but they are' aptly suits the context. 'They are green, but are more flavorful' makes sense.

So I picked E
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