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Wow! Interesting. I have never heard of this happening. I think it’s totally fine to get the same essay prompt. I’m sure it was weird but there’s a preset number of topics and I think it’s inevitable that somebody will get presented with the same topic… those surprise I never heard about it.

Funny fact. When GMAT online just started a year and a half ago, one user took GMAT followed by executive assessment and 50% of the questions on executive assessments were from their previous test 😱

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Appreciate the responses, everyone! Man, I feel like this issue has been making my heart pound faster than it was during the actual exam haha :)

Purely out of curiosity, are seeing repeat questions on the other sections even possible? I originally figured not. That said, while I imagine the GMAT has a repository of questions, I'm guessing GMAC doesn't take them out of the question pool. Rather, it's just highly unlikely one would run into the same question?
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Hi MrHopp,

Seeing the same Essay prompt twice is certainly a rarity - and I've never heard/read about this happening to anyone else before. If you took the AWA and IR sections after taking the Quant and Verbal sections, then there's no argument to be made that you had any type of unfair advantage on the Q and V sections of this attempt. Assuming that you didn't see any repeat questions in the Quant and Verbal sections, those Scaled Scores (and your Overall Score out of 800) should stand as is, regardless of this issue with the AWA. That all having been said, there is no benefit to alerting anyone of this issue, so let's calmly wait for your Official Scores results to be released. If you do face any administrative review issues though, I'm sure that we'd all like to hear about what happens.

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Purely out of curiosity, are seeing repeat questions on the other sections even possible? I originally figured not. That said, while I imagine the GMAT has a repository of questions, I'm guessing GMAC doesn't take them out of the question pool. Rather, it's just highly unlikely one would run into the same question?
Hi MrHopp,

Yes, it is highly unlikely (impossible) that a test taker will see the same verbal/quantitative questions again. I'm reasonably sure that the GMAT and the online GMAT have different (quant/verbal) question pools, but they must have the same AWA pool. Those tests also most likely don't "talk" to each other, which is why you were able to see the same AWA prompt.

Congratulations on getting great Q/V scores. :)
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Purely out of curiosity, are seeing repeat questions on the other sections even possible? I originally figured not. That said, while I imagine the GMAT has a repository of questions, I'm guessing GMAC doesn't take them out of the question pool. Rather, it's just highly unlikely one would run into the same question?
Hi MrHopp,

Yes, it is highly unlikely (impossible) that a test taker will see the same verbal/quantitative questions again. I'm reasonably sure that the GMAT and the online GMAT have different (quant/verbal) question pools, but they must have the same AWA pool. Those tests also most likely don't "talk" to each other, which is why you were able to see the same AWA prompt.

Congratulations on getting great Q/V scores. :)
Agreed. I was going to reply to the query earlier, but I was looking to gather evidence in the form of a dialogue on the question pools that I stumbled across in the GMAT Online thread, a dialogue that I am hard-pressed to find now. I remember one tutor submitting that the reason for the interim period between successive attempts at a center was that a new question pool would need to be cycled in, and also that there was no such waiting period between test center and online attempts because the question pools must have been separate. It does make sense that GMAC™ would not want to risk a test-taker earning an artificially inflated score simply by getting lucky and seeing repeat questions (presumably, those to which the person was fairly sure of the answers). Perhaps the AWA is thought of, and therefore treated, in a different manner: You still have to write an essay, much different a task from selecting an answer and confirming it.

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Funny fact. When GMAT online just started a year and a half ago, one user took GMAT followed by executive assessment and 50% of the questions on executive assessments were from their previous test 😱
Wow. I guess the standards are a little relaxed between EA and GMAT™ question pools. Maybe GMAC™ is banking on students entering one type of MBA program or another? I wonder whether such a pattern has continued. (I could see some unscrupulous students running things in reverse in an effort to boost their GMAT™ scores.)

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Appreciate the responses, everyone! Man, I feel like this issue has been making my heart pound faster than it was during the actual exam haha :)

Purely out of curiosity, are seeing repeat questions on the other sections even possible? I originally figured not. That said, while I imagine the GMAT has a repository of questions, I'm guessing GMAC doesn't take them out of the question pool. Rather, it's just highly unlikely one would run into the same question?

I agree that it's certainly odd and very rare that you saw the same AWA prompt on two separate GMAT exams. Also, I do not think you'd see any repeated quant or verbal questions on two different GMATs.
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Wow. I guess the standards are a little relaxed between EA and GMAT™ question pools. Maybe GMAC™ is banking on students entering one type of MBA program or another? I wonder whether such a pattern has continued. (I could see some unscrupulous students running things in reverse in an effort to boost their GMAT™ scores.)
That was my reaction as well ("wow"). I don't know how reliable that (one?) post bb refers to is, but if what that member reported is true, I hope GMAC is aware of and does something about the issue.
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A repeated AWA prompt is not really a big deal.

The ETS website has a pool of AWA prompts for the GRE, and I believe everyone who does the GRE gets a prompt from that pool.

The GMAC hasn't done the same thing. The list of prompts in the OG doesn't seem to be the complete pool. But it wouldn't much matter even if it were.

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I remember one tutor submitting that the reason for the interim period between successive attempts at a center was that a new question pool would need to be cycled in
Hi AndrewN, I am reading this thread with lot of interest. Can you kindly explain what you mean by this?
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Hi AndrewN, I am reading this thread with lot of interest. Can you kindly explain what you mean by this?
Pardon the delay in my response, mpobisetty. I was hoping to convey that I recall one tutor having said that a plausible explanation for why a test-taker is prohibited from taking the GMAT™ at a test center twice within 16 days is that that period (15-16 days) is most likely the duration for each cycle of questions to appear on the test. To illustrate, take the following hypothetical scenario:

Question Batch #1 → 16 days
Question Batch #2 → 16 days (32 days total)
Question Batch #3 → 16 days (48 days total)
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In this manner, no test-taker would see the same questions as before. Over the course of the year, there would be just under two dozen batches of questions that would have appeared on the test. Now, with the GMAT™ Online, the cycle could be quite different, and the dedicated question pool itself would almost certainly be independent of the one used for the test center exam. Thus, there would be no danger of taking back-to-back exams, one at the test center and the other online, and seeing overlapping questions.

GMAC™ holds the answers, of course, but I was reporting what I had read on the matter in another thread.

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Wow. I guess the standards are a little relaxed between EA and GMAT™ question pools. Maybe GMAC™ is banking on students entering one type of MBA program or another? I wonder whether such a pattern has continued. (I could see some unscrupulous students running things in reverse in an effort to boost their GMAT™ scores.)
That was my reaction as well ("wow"). I don't know how reliable that (one?) post bb refers to is, but if what that member reported is true, I hope GMAC is aware of and does something about the issue.
I cannot imagine such an oversight would persist, given the level of scrutiny GMAC™ engages in to protect the integrity of its questions. At the same time, I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt until I see proof to the contrary, and my naïveté has been exposed before. Bottom line: I cannot say that I have read anything one way or the other on the matter, apart from the above, so I really should not speculate.

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Pardon the delay in my response, mpobisetty. I was hoping to convey that I recall one tutor having said that a plausible explanation for why a test-taker is prohibited from taking the GMAT™ at a test center twice within 16 days is that that period (15-16 days) is most likely the duration for each cycle of questions to appear on the test. To illustrate, take the following hypothetical scenario:

Question Batch #1 → 16 days
Question Batch #2 → 16 days (32 days total)
Question Batch #3 → 16 days (48 days total)
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In this manner, no test-taker would see the same questions as before. Over the course of the year, there would be just under two dozen batches of questions that would have appeared on the test.
Hello AndrewN, I was actually wondering if this minimum 16 day period is just because GMAC believes that any person re-attempting the exam would not really "remember" any questions that "repeat" across the two attempts (chances of repetition are anyway remote, considering that the GMAT database would hopefully have hundreds, if not thousands of questions)?

The theory that you've suggested (refreshing the entire question pool after every 16 days) is also possible, but was curious to know if GMAC has suggested anything like this during interactions? Also, who is to decide whether the "Question Batch" can be repeated after 1 year or 2 years or 6 months? Even if the question batch is repeated after 1 year, it would leave open the possibility that a test-taker re-attempting the exam after 1 year, may see repeat questions (I understand though that chances of "remembering" the questions after 1 year, are pretty dim).

Perhaps, an easier solution would be for the "system" to internally "tag" which questions were presented to a test-taker in the first attempt, and make sure that none of the same questions are presented to that test-taker in the second and subsequent attempts.
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Hello AndrewN, I was actually wondering if this minimum 16 day period is just because GMAC believes that any person re-attempting the exam would not really "remember" any questions that "repeat" across the two attempts (chances of repetition are anyway remote, considering that the GMAT database would hopefully have hundreds, if not thousands of questions)?

The theory that you've suggested (refreshing the entire question pool after every 16 days) is also possible, but was curious to know if GMAC has suggested anything like this during interactions? Also, who is to decide whether the "Question Batch" can be repeated after 1 year or 2 years or 6 months? Even if the question batch is repeated after 1 year, it would leave open the possibility that a test-taker re-attempting the exam after 1 year, may see repeat questions (I understand though that chances of "remembering" the questions after 1 year, are pretty dim).

Perhaps, an easier solution would be for the "system" to internally "tag" which questions were presented to a test-taker in the first attempt, and make sure that none of the same questions are presented to that test-taker in the second and subsequent attempts.
Hello again, mpobisetty. I doubt GMAC™ would bank on a psychological component over a sure bet in switching the question pool, but I have no inside knowledge on the matter. (I think a team of tutors or teachers who could reliably score 780 or above would take the test in back-to-back attempts in hopes of seeing a few repeats and earning that perfect 800, but 800s are almost nonexistent since 2018.) I like the idea of test-taker-specific questions (similar to a genetic passport in competitive sports), traceable by user ID, although, again, I am not sure that GMAC™ would have invested the resources in such a system at this time. The most likely explanation, in my mind, is that whatever system was in place, perhaps even before the CAT was introduced, was grandfathered in and given a digital makeover. It might not be the best system, but it is functional, and the cost of utilizing it is manageable. (Perhaps I do not give GMAC™ enough credit, and the system in place is more cutting-edge.)

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Perhaps, an easier solution would be for the "system" to internally "tag" which questions were presented to a test-taker in the first attempt, and make sure that none of the same questions are presented to that test-taker in the second and subsequent attempts.
I believe the GMAC has some combination of both systems.

One, the question pool is changed or refreshed regularly (that is why one has to wait 15 days before repeating the exam).

Second, the GMAC also seems to track which questions a test-taker has seen. No GMAT test-taker should see the same question a second time (unless he somehow registered with a different ID.)
This is something I heard and noted at a GMAC presentation. The presenter said: "Students do not see previously administered items". ('Items' is a jargon term for 'questions'.)

PS: The mba.com or gmac.com websites should have this information. But a quick search did not turn up any page or document that says so.


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Thank you AndrewN and vv65 for your analysis of my question.
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