Thank you for using the timer - this advanced tool can estimate your performance and suggest more practice questions. We have subscribed you to Daily Prep Questions via email.

Customized for You

we will pick new questions that match your level based on your Timer History

Track Your Progress

every week, we’ll send you an estimated GMAT score based on your performance

Practice Pays

we will pick new questions that match your level based on your Timer History

Not interested in getting valuable practice questions and articles delivered to your email? No problem, unsubscribe here.

Thank you for using the timer!
We noticed you are actually not timing your practice. Click the START button first next time you use the timer.
There are many benefits to timing your practice, including:

In 1997, N people graduated from college. If 1/3 of them
[#permalink]

Show Tags

Updated on: 05 Jun 2013, 00:59

1

12

00:00

A

B

C

D

E

Difficulty:

55% (hard)

Question Stats:

66% (02:21) correct 34% (02:41) wrong based on 181 sessions

HideShow timer Statistics

In 1997, N people graduated from college. If 1/3 of them received a degree in the applied sciences, and, of those, 1/4 graduated from a school in one of six northeastern states, which of the following expressions represents the number of people who graduated from college in 1997 who did not both receive a degree in the applied sciences and graduate from a school in one of six northeastern states?

(A) 11N/12 (B) 7N/12 (C) 5N/12 (D) 6N/7 (E) N/7

In this question How can we assume that there a zero (0) people who have no degree in applied science and no graduates in one of six NE states? Its not specified in the problem.

4 equations

Degree in Applied Science + Graduate in six schools = Equation A Degree in Applied Science + Did not graduate from six schools = Equation B No Degree in Applied Science + Graduate in six schools = Equation C No Degree in Applied Science + Did not graduate from six schools = Equation D

I think, the problem is assuming "Equation D" to be Zero. BUt I am confused as how to interpret this?

Re: In 1997, N people graduated from college. If 1/3 of them
[#permalink]

Show Tags

04 Jun 2013, 21:39

5

3

maaadhu wrote:

In 1997, N people graduated from college. If 1/3 of them received a degree in the applied sciences, and, of those, 1/4 graduated from a school in one of six northeastern states, which of the following expressions represents the number of people who graduated from college in 1997 who did not both receive a degree in the applied sciences and graduate from a school in one of six northeastern states?

In this question How can we assume that there a zero (0) people who have no degree in applied science and no graduates in one of six NE states? Its not specified in the problem.

4 equations

Degree in Applied Science + Graduate in six schools = Equation A Degree in Applied Science + Did not graduate from six schools = Equation B No Degree in Applied Science + Graduate in six schools = Equation C No Degree in Applied Science + Did not graduate from six schools = Equation D

I think, the problem is assuming "Equation D" to be Zero. BUt I am confused as how to interpret this?

Go one statement at a time:

"In 1997, N people graduated from college. If 1/3 of them received a degree in the applied sciences, "

Degree in applied sciences = N/3

"and, of those, 1/4 graduated from a school in one of six northeastern states,"

Degree in applied sciences and graduated from a school in one of six northeastern states = (N/3) * (1/4) = N/12

"which of the following expressions represents the number of people who graduated from college in 1997 who did not both receive a degree in the applied sciences and graduate from a school in one of six northeastern states?"

So N people graduated from college and N/12 got a degree in applied sciences and graduated from one of six northeastern states (i.e. N/12 did both). Hence the other N - N/12 = 11N/12 did not do both (receive a degree in applied sciences and graduated from a school in one of 6 northeastern states). They could have done one of them but they certainly did not do both.

It's similar to this simpler question:

100 students study in this school. 10 study in Nursery and of those 10, 4 are less than 3 yrs of age. So how many students in this school are such that they are not both - in Nursery and less than 3 yrs of age? We will find the number of students who are both - in Nursery as well as less than 3 yrs of age. We know there are 4 such students. So the rest of the 100 - 4 = 96 students are such that either they are not in Nursery or they are not less than 3 yrs or they are not both (say they are in standard 1 and 6 yrs old). Our answer will be 96.
_________________

Karishma Veritas Prep GMAT Instructor

Learn more about how Veritas Prep can help you achieve a great GMAT score by checking out their GMAT Prep Options >

GMAT self-study has never been more personalized or more fun. Try ORION Free!

Re: In 1997, N people graduated from college. If 1/3 of them
[#permalink]

Show Tags

05 Jun 2013, 01:15

2

maaadhu wrote:

In 1997, N people graduated from college. If 1/3 of them received a degree in the applied sciences, and, of those, 1/4 graduated from a school in one of six northeastern states, which of the following expressions represents the number of people who graduated from college in 1997 who did not both receive a degree in the applied sciences and graduate from a school in one of six northeastern states?

(A) 11N/12 (B) 7N/12 (C) 5N/12 (D) 6N/7 (E) N/7

In this question How can we assume that there a zero (0) people who have no degree in applied science and no graduates in one of six NE states? Its not specified in the problem.

4 equations

Degree in Applied Science + Graduate in six schools = Equation A Degree in Applied Science + Did not graduate from six schools = Equation B No Degree in Applied Science + Graduate in six schools = Equation C No Degree in Applied Science + Did not graduate from six schools = Equation D

I think, the problem is assuming "Equation D" to be Zero. BUt I am confused as how to interpret this?

Karishma has already given an excellent analysis of the question.

As for your doubt: out of 11N/12, some received a degree, some applied and some did none of those (neither received a degree nor applied), but they certainly did not do both.

Consider this: assume N=12. Then 12/3=4 received a degree and 4/4=1 did both (received a degree and applied), thus 12-1=11 did not do both. Out of those 11, some received a degree (4), some applied (?) and some did none of those (?) (neither graduated nor applied), but they certainly did not do both.

Re: In 1997, N people graduated from college. If 1/3 of them
[#permalink]

Show Tags

13 Jan 2014, 03:31

VeritasPrepKarishma wrote:

maaadhu wrote:

In 1997, N people graduated from college. If 1/3 of them received a degree in the applied sciences, and, of those, 1/4 graduated from a school in one of six northeastern states, which of the following expressions represents the number of people who graduated from college in 1997 who did not both receive a degree in the applied sciences and graduate from a school in one of six northeastern states?

In this question How can we assume that there a zero (0) people who have no degree in applied science and no graduates in one of six NE states? Its not specified in the problem.

4 equations

Degree in Applied Science + Graduate in six schools = Equation A Degree in Applied Science + Did not graduate from six schools = Equation B No Degree in Applied Science + Graduate in six schools = Equation C No Degree in Applied Science + Did not graduate from six schools = Equation D

I think, the problem is assuming "Equation D" to be Zero. BUt I am confused as how to interpret this?

Go one statement at a time:

"In 1997, N people graduated from college. If 1/3 of them received a degree in the applied sciences, "

Degree in applied sciences = N/3

"and, of those, 1/4 graduated from a school in one of six northeastern states,"

Degree in applied sciences and graduated from a school in one of six northeastern states = (N/3) * (1/4) = N/12

"which of the following expressions represents the number of people who graduated from college in 1997 who did not both receive a degree in the applied sciences and graduate from a school in one of six northeastern states?"

So N people graduated from college and N/12 got a degree in applied sciences and graduated from one of six northeastern states (i.e. N/12 did both). Hence the other N - N/12 = 11N/12 did not do both (receive a degree in applied sciences and graduated from a school in one of 6 northeastern states). They could have done one of them but they certainly did not do both.

It's similar to this simpler question:

100 students study in this school. 10 study in Nursery and of those 10, 4 are less than 3 yrs of age. So how many students in this school are such that they are not both - in Nursery and less than 3 yrs of age? We will find the number of students who are both - in Nursery as well as less than 3 yrs of age. We know there are 4 such students. So the rest of the 100 - 4 = 96 students are such that either they are not in Nursery or they are not less than 3 yrs or they are not both (say they are in standard 1 and 6 yrs old). Our answer will be 96.

Hi Karishma,

Is there anyway that this question can be solved by putting together a table/ chart for "Applied Sciences" and "Graduated from NE states." I used N as 60 that gave following chart ==>

-------------->Allied Sc<---------->No Allie Sc<---->Total NE states------->5 <---------------->? No NE State--->15<---------------->x Total------------>20<----------------> 40<----------->60

I am thinking that question is to solve for x . But if I substitute value from ans choices I am unable to get the desired result.

In 1997, N people graduated from college. If 1/3 of them
[#permalink]

Show Tags

Updated on: 17 Apr 2018, 08:01

1

Top Contributor

maaadhu wrote:

In 1997, N people graduated from college. If 1/3 of them received a degree in the applied sciences, and, of those, 1/4 graduated from a school in one of six northeastern states, which of the following expressions represents the number of people who graduated from college in 1997 who did not both receive a degree in the applied sciences and graduate from a school in one of six northeastern states?

(A) 11N/12 (B) 7N/12 (C) 5N/12 (D) 6N/7 (E) N/7

Here's the Double Matrix Method with step-by-step details:

Note: This technique can be used for most questions featuring a population in which each member has two criteria associated with it. Here, the criteria are: - degree(applied sciences or not) - school location(north eastern state or not)

In 1997, N people graduated from college.

1/3 of them received a degree in the applied sciences

Of those (1/3)N students, 1/4 graduated from a school in one of six northeastern states. In other words, (1/12)N students have a degree in applied sciences and graduated from a northeastern school.

Which of the following expressions represents the number of people who graduated from college in 1997 who did not both receive a degree in the applied sciences and graduate from a school in one of six northeastern states? If the box that has (1/12)N students in it represents the students with a degree in applied sciences and graduated from a northeastern school, then the remaining boxes (shaded in blue) must represent the students who did not both receive a degree in the applied sciences and graduate from a school in one of six northeastern states.

Since all 4 boxes must add to N (the total number of students), the 3 shaded boxes must add to (11/12)N.

Re: In 1997, N people graduated from college. If 1/3 of them
[#permalink]

Show Tags

16 Jan 2018, 13:20

Hi All,

This question can be solved by TESTing VALUES. Even before we read the prompt, the answer choices certainly appear to provide some context for what the perfect Value to TEST would be (probably 12 or 7, since the answer choices are all fractions with one or the other of those numbers as the denominator). Once we read through the information involving the two fractions, it seems pretty clear that we should be TESTing 12...

IF... N = 12 graduates 1/3 = 4 received a degree in applied sciences 1/4 (of those 4) = 1 graduated from a school in a northeastern state

We're asked for the number of people who did NOT receive a degree in applied sciences and graduate from one of those states. Since 1 of the 12 fit BOTH descriptions, 11 of the 12 do NOT. TESTing N = 12 leads to just one matching answer...

Re: In 1997, N people graduated from college. If 1/3 of them
[#permalink]

Show Tags

05 Sep 2018, 21:04

[quote="VeritasKarishma"][quote="maaadhu"]In 1997, N people graduated from college. If 1/3 of them received a degree in the applied sciences, and, of those, 1/4 graduated from a school in one of six northeastern states, which of the following expressions represents the number of people who graduated from college in 1997 who did not both receive a degree in the applied sciences and graduate from a school in one of six northeastern states?

(A) 11N/12 (B) 7N/12 (C) 5N/12 (D) 6N/7 (E) N/7

stem says AND not OR ,

gmatclubot

Re: In 1997, N people graduated from college. If 1/3 of them &nbs
[#permalink]
05 Sep 2018, 21:04