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In Brindon County, virtually all of the fasteners—such as nuts, bolts, and screws—used by workshops and manufacturing firms have for several years been supplied by the Brindon Bolt Barn, a specialist wholesaler. In recent months many of Brindon County’s workshops and manufacturing firms have closed down, and no new ones have opened. Therefore, the Brindon Bolt Barn will undoubtedly show a sharp decline in sales volume and revenue for this year as compared to last year.

The argument depends on assuming which of the following?

A. Last year the Brindon Bolt Barn’s sales volume and revenue were significantly
higher than they had been the previous year.
B. The workshops and manufacturing firms that have remained open have a smaller
volume of work to do this year than they did last year.
C. Soon the Brindon Bolt Barn will no longer be the only significant supplier of
fasteners to Brindon County’s workshops.
D. The Brindon Bolt Barn’s operating expenses have not increased this year.
E. The Brindon Bolt Barn is not a company that gets the great majority of its
business from customers outside Brindon County.

I marked the OA but I want to check my reasoning. So, please explain your answer.


dwivedys wrote:
Is it B? E expands the scope to outside brindon country. A and C are irrelevant. D if anything weakens the argument and cannot be an assumption. Pls provide OA.


The issue of scope is often misapplied to assumption questions. An assumption is a piece of information that is altogether missing from the argument; it is completely new information that, if true, makes the conclusion more believable.

The answer should make the conclusion that sales will drop because there are fewer Brindon firms&workshops more believable.

A. What happened last year is irrelevant to the future prediction for sales based on loss of clientele in Brindon.

B. Even if the Brindon clientele (firms and workshops) have a smaller volume of work, Brindon Bolt Barn may still have clientele elsewhere, in which case sales might not drop.

C. If Brindon Bolt Barn's competition increases, then sales declines will not have resulted from the loss of clientele.

D. Operating expenses are not related to sales.

E. Correct: If Brindon Bolt Barn's loses its Brindon clientele AND has little other clientele to rely on, then it is safe to conclude that sales will decline due to the loss of Brindon's firms and workshops.

A good break down of how to approach conclusion and assumption questions can be found in the Critical Reasoning I lesson at gmaxonline.



Hi Sarai,

Please can you help me understand why E and not B is the answer? Lets say the current sales volume comes from 2 sources X (companies outside county) and Y (companies within the county).

Current Revenue = X + Y

even if X remains constant, and Y decreases, the revenue will decrease. The way to hold the revenue to its current level is to maintain Y and it the existing workshops in the county increase their orders to make up for the numbers, Y may keep its previous value.
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In Brindon County, virtually all of the fasteners—such as nuts, bolts, and screws—used by workshops and manufacturing firms have for several years been supplied by the Brindon Bolt Barn, a specialist wholesaler.
In recent months many of Brindon County’s workshops and manufacturing firms have closed down, and no new ones have opened.
Therefore, the Brindon Bolt Barn will undoubtedly show a sharp decline in sales volume and revenue for this year as compared to last year.

The argument depends on assuming which of the following?
B Vs E.

B. The workshops and manufacturing firms that have remained open have a smaller volume of work to do this year than they did last year.
[color=#ff0000]>> Even if its "same" the sharp decline would be there. So doesn't affect conclusion.
E. The Brindon Bolt Barn is not a company that gets the great majority of its business from customers outside Brindon County.
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The confusion that might arise between E and B is easily solvable by proper negation technique:
B) The workshops and manufacturing firms that have remained open DON'T have a smaller volume of work to do this year than they did last year.
This doesn't ruin the argument, since if they don't have a smaller, they might have the same volume and the the decline will not be sharp. On contrast, if the technique is used incorrectly, then the argument will be turned into LARGER volume, which might ruin the argument.
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ykaiim wrote:
In Brindon County, virtually all of the fasteners—such as nuts, bolts, and screws—used by workshops and manufacturing firms have for several years been supplied by the Brindon Bolt Barn, a specialist wholesaler. In recent months many of Brindon County’s workshops and manufacturing firms have closed down, and no new ones have opened. Therefore, the Brindon Bolt Barn will undoubtedly show a sharp decline in sales volume and revenue for this year as compared to last year.

The argument depends on assuming which of the following?

A. Last year the Brindon Bolt Barn’s sales volume and revenue were significantly higher than they had been the previous year.
B. The workshops and manufacturing firms that have remained open have a smaller volume of work to do this year than they did last year.
C. Soon the Brindon Bolt Barn will no longer be the only significant supplier of fasteners to Brindon County’s workshops.
D. The Brindon Bolt Barn’s operating expenses have not increased this year.
E. The Brindon Bolt Barn is not a company that gets the great majority of its business from customers outside Brindon County.

I marked the OA but I want to check my reasoning. So, please explain your answer.


What is the reason that can break conclusion: what if this company finds a new market to sell its product.

Negation of this is what is written in option E.
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In Brindon County, virtually all of the fasteners—such as nuts, bolts, and screws—used by workshops and manufacturing firms have for several years been supplied by the Brindon Bolt Barn, a specialist wholesaler. In recent months many of Brindon County’s workshops and manufacturing firms have closed down, and no new ones have opened. Therefore, the Brindon Bolt Barn will undoubtedly show a sharp decline in sales volume and revenue for this year as compared to last year.

The argument depends on assuming which of the following?

A. Last year the Brindon Bolt Barn’s sales volume and revenue were significantly higher than they had been the previous year.
B. The workshops and manufacturing firms that have remained open have a smaller volume of work to do this year than they did last year.
C. Soon the Brindon Bolt Barn will no longer be the only significant supplier of fasteners to Brindon County’s workshops.
D. The Brindon Bolt Barn’s operating expenses have not increased this year.
E. The Brindon Bolt Barn is not a company that gets the great majority of its business from customers outside Brindon County.

I marked the OA but I want to check my reasoning. So, please explain your answer.


What is the reason that can break conclusion: what if this company finds a new market to sell its product.

Negation of this is what is written in option E.



I still have doubt on the OA and even I am not sure of answer B , "what if they get new market" but how can we be sure that new market gets more business that what firm loosed, because of the closed firms.
Normally in assumption we keep all parameter same and add new information
Or we negate the options
in case of B, if we negate the option " firms that have remained open have not smaller volume of work to do this year than they did last year."

this clearly says that opened firms gets more business for sure, but again is that greater than the lost one.

please correct me and help on the same. I know the answer has to be between B or E , but what wrong with my reasoning. I dont remember now but i actually did one official question which was similar to this and other country mentioned was out of scope.
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ykaiim wrote:
In Brindon County, virtually all of the fasteners—such as nuts, bolts, and screws—used by workshops and manufacturing firms have for several years been supplied by the Brindon Bolt Barn, a specialist wholesaler. In recent months many of Brindon County’s workshops and manufacturing firms have closed down, and no new ones have opened. Therefore, the Brindon Bolt Barn will undoubtedly show a sharp decline in sales volume and revenue for this year as compared to last year.

The argument depends on assuming which of the following?

A. Last year the Brindon Bolt Barn’s sales volume and revenue were significantly higher than they had been the previous year.
B. The workshops and manufacturing firms that have remained open have a smaller volume of work to do this year than they did last year.
C. Soon the Brindon Bolt Barn will no longer be the only significant supplier of fasteners to Brindon County’s workshops.
D. The Brindon Bolt Barn’s operating expenses have not increased this year.
E. The Brindon Bolt Barn is not a company that gets the great majority of its business from customers outside Brindon County.

I marked the OA but I want to check my reasoning. So, please explain your answer.


What is the reason that can break conclusion: what if this company finds a new market to sell its product.

Negation of this is what is written in option E.



I still have doubt on the OA and even I am not sure of answer B , "what if they get new market" but how can we be sure that new market gets more business that what firm loosed, because of the closed firms.
Normally in assumption we keep all parameter same and add new information
Or we negate the options
in case of B, if we negate the option " firms that have remained open have not smaller volume of work to do this year than they did last year."

this clearly says that opened firms gets more business for sure, but again is that greater than the lost one.

please correct me and help on the same. I know the answer has to be between B or E , but what wrong with my reasoning. I dont remember now but i actually did one official question which was similar to this and other country mentioned was out of scope.


Option B:
B. The workshops and manufacturing firms that have remained open have a smaller volume of work to do this year than they did last year.

Lets negate option B:
B. The workshops and manufacturing firms that have remained open doesn't have a smaller volume of work to do this year than they did last year.

This could mean two things:
they have very large volume of work
They have just above smaller volume of work (I mean if smaller means 10 they have 12 or 13)

This possibility leaves an end open. If we take first case then B would be correct. But what about case 2.
These things are happening because, of word smaller. we don't have scale to measure what is small.

Now, lets take Option E for instance:
E. The Brindon Bolt Barn is not a company that gets the great majority of its business from customers outside Brindon County.

Negate this: BBB company gets majority of business from outside.
Majority means greater than 50% till 99%
If its business is from out world, then conclusion breaks apart.

HOPE THIS HELPS.
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I agree with those who said E.

A. Last year the Brindon Bolt Barn’s sales volume and revenue were significantly higher than they had been the previous year. --> great!, but this doesn't provide further support for the claim
B. The workshops and manufacturing firms that have remained open have a smaller volume of work to do this year than they did last year. --> smaller volume doesn't necessarily mean smaller revenue; they could be charging more for all we know
C. Soon the Brindon Bolt Barn will no longer be the only significant supplier of fasteners to Brindon County’s workshops. --> could be part of the reason they closed down the number of stores they did. We'd have to be offered more information in the prompt for us to be able to use this choice
D. The Brindon Bolt Barn’s operating expenses have not increased this year. --> not strong enough for us to use
E. The Brindon Bolt Barn is not a company that gets the great majority of its business from customers outside Brindon County. ---> bingo! if their business cannot operate outside of customers in its direct area, then it would surely suffer
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In Brindon County, virtually all of the fasteners—such as nuts, bolts, and screws—used by workshops and manufacturing firms have for several years been supplied by the Brindon Bolt Barn, a specialist wholesaler. In recent months many of Brindon County’s workshops and manufacturing firms have closed down, and no new ones have opened. Therefore, the Brindon Bolt Barn will undoubtedly show a sharp decline in sales volume and revenue for this year as compared to last year.

The argument depends on assuming which of the following?

A. Last year the Brindon Bolt Barn’s sales volume and revenue were significantly higher than they had been the previous year.
B. The workshops and manufacturing firms that have remained open have a smaller volume of work to do this year than they did last year.
C. Soon the Brindon Bolt Barn will no longer be the only significant supplier of fasteners to Brindon County’s workshops.
D. The Brindon Bolt Barn’s operating expenses have not increased this year.
E. The Brindon Bolt Barn is not a company that gets the great majority of its business from customers outside Brindon County.

I marked the OA but I want to check my reasoning. So, please explain your answer.


Thought Process:
Premise:
All fasteners used by workshops & manufacturing firms supplied by BBB
Recent months several workshops and firms have closed this year
Conclusion:
Expected sharp decline in sales volume and revenue of BBB for this year as compared to previous year

Contenders B & E

Negate E
and the conclusion falls apart
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oa has to be E, though both b&e are contenders but B lacks on the assumption that how much business is contributed by remaining factories, what if remaining factories contribute total 5% of bolt barn sales , so even if these factories by 100% they still manage to contribute only 10% of sales volume.



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In Brindon County, virtually all of the fasteners—such as nuts, bolts, and screws—used by workshops and manufacturing firms have for several years been supplied by the Brindon Bolt Barn, a specialist wholesaler.
In recent months many of Brindon County’s workshops and manufacturing firms have closed down, and no new ones have opened.
Therefore, the Brindon Bolt Barn will undoubtedly show a sharp decline in sales volume and revenue for this year as compared to last year.

The argument depends on assuming which of the following?
B Vs E.

B. The workshops and manufacturing firms that have remained open have a smaller volume of work to do this year than they did last year.
[color=#ff0000]>> Even if its "same" the sharp decline would be there. So doesn't affect conclusion.
E. The Brindon Bolt Barn is not a company that gets the great majority of its business from customers outside Brindon County.
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Okay I am really confused about E - how is it an assumption. Isn't it restating what the premise already says. Please note by breakdown
In Brindon County, virtually all of the fasteners—such as nuts, bolts, and screws—used by workshops and manufacturing firms have for several years been supplied by the Brindon Bolt Barn, a specialist wholesaler. In recent months many of Brindon County’s workshops and manufacturing firms have closed down, and no new ones have opened. Therefore, the Brindon Bolt Barn will undoubtedly show a sharp decline in sales volume and revenue for this year as compared to last year.

The argument depends on assuming which of the following?

A. Last year the Brindon Bolt Barn’s sales volume and revenue were significantly higher than they had been the previous year. - Not relevant
B. The workshops and manufacturing firms that have remained open have a smaller volume of work to do this year than they did last year.I picked this as I assumed the opposite - if these firms did more work (a possibility since other shops have shut), then BBB's sales WILL NOT drop. So I felt it depended on this.
C. Soon the Brindon Bolt Barn will no longer be the only significant supplier of fasteners to Brindon County’s workshops.irrelevant
D. The Brindon Bolt Barn’s operating expenses have not increased this year.not relevant
E. The Brindon Bolt Barn is not a company that gets the great majority of its business from customers outside Brindon County basically, it is saying that BBB gets most of its CUSTOMERS from inside BC. So how is this different from telling us that the workshops and others have their supply from BBB, and that since they shut, it will affect the sales?

Thank you in advancefor the explanation on OA
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Premise 1. In Brindon County - workshops and manufacturing firms have for several years been supplied by the Brindon Bolt Barn, a specialist wholesaler.
Premise 2. In recent months many of Brindon County’s workshops and manufacturing firms have closed down, and no new ones have opened.

Conclusion . Therefore, the Brindon Bolt Barn will undoubtedly show a sharp decline in sales volume and revenue for this year as compared to last year.


Assumption
Since workshops and manufacturing firm are closed down In Brindon County it will impact Brindon Bolt Barn. That is only possible if they don't have sales outside Brindon County, which is what E is stating.
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In Brindon County, virtually all of the fasteners—such as nuts, bolts, and screws—used by workshops and manufacturing firms have for several years been supplied by the Brindon Bolt Barn, a specialist wholesaler. In recent months many of Brindon County’s workshops and manufacturing firms have closed down, and no new ones have opened. Therefore, the Brindon Bolt Barn will undoubtedly show a sharp decline in sales volume and revenue for this year as compared to last year.

The argument depends on assuming which of the following?

A. Last year the Brindon Bolt Barn’s sales volume and revenue were significantly higher than they had been the previous year.
B. The workshops and manufacturing firms that have remained open have a smaller volume of work to do this year than they did last year.
C. Soon the Brindon Bolt Barn will no longer be the only significant supplier of fasteners to Brindon County’s workshops.
D. The Brindon Bolt Barn’s operating expenses have not increased this year.
E. The Brindon Bolt Barn is not a company that gets the great majority of its business from customers outside Brindon County. -Correct
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premise 1: BBB's supply fasteners to workshops and manufacturing firms.
premise 2: many workshops and firms have closed down.
conclusion: BBB sales and revenue will decline.

a) last year sales are not important, doesn't tell why this year sales and revenue should go down.

b) this can strengthen the conclusion. On negating "The workshops and manufacturing firms that have remained open have a no smaller volume of work to do this year than they did last year." But this doesn't tell why the sales and revenue should not decline. There is a probability, so B eliminated.

c) out of scope.

d) out of scope.

e) correct answer. If BBB's get majority business from outside then the argument will collapse.
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SaraiGMAT wrote:
ykaiim wrote:
In Brindon County, virtually all of the fasteners—such as nuts, bolts, and screws—used by workshops and manufacturing firms have for several years been supplied by the Brindon Bolt Barn, a specialist wholesaler. In recent months many of Brindon County’s workshops and manufacturing firms have closed down, and no new ones have opened. Therefore, the Brindon Bolt Barn will undoubtedly show a sharp decline in sales volume and revenue for this year as compared to last year.

The argument depends on assuming which of the following?

A. Last year the Brindon Bolt Barn’s sales volume and revenue were significantly
higher than they had been the previous year.
B. The workshops and manufacturing firms that have remained open have a smaller
volume of work to do this year than they did last year.
C. Soon the Brindon Bolt Barn will no longer be the only significant supplier of
fasteners to Brindon County’s workshops.
D. The Brindon Bolt Barn’s operating expenses have not increased this year.
E. The Brindon Bolt Barn is not a company that gets the great majority of its
business from customers outside Brindon County.

I marked the OA but I want to check my reasoning. So, please explain your answer.


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Is it B? E expands the scope to outside brindon country. A and C are irrelevant. D if anything weakens the argument and cannot be an assumption. Pls provide OA.


The issue of scope is often misapplied to assumption questions. An assumption is a piece of information that is altogether missing from the argument; it is completely new information that, if true, makes the conclusion more believable.

The answer should make the conclusion that sales will drop because there are fewer Brindon firms&workshops more believable.

A. What happened last year is irrelevant to the future prediction for sales based on loss of clientele in Brindon.

B. Even if the Brindon clientele (firms and workshops) have a smaller volume of work, Brindon Bolt Barn may still have clientele elsewhere, in which case sales might not drop.

C. If Brindon Bolt Barn's competition increases, then sales declines will not have resulted from the loss of clientele.

D. Operating expenses are not related to sales.

E. Correct: If Brindon Bolt Barn's loses its Brindon clientele AND has little other clientele to rely on, then it is safe to conclude that sales will decline due to the loss of Brindon's firms and workshops.

A good break down of how to approach conclusion and assumption questions can be found in the Critical Reasoning I lesson at gmaxonline.


Hi Sarai,

If I apply negation technique to option 'E', it is as wrong as option 'B'.

If Brindon Bolt Barn does not have clientele outside the country and number of open stores has declined, but at the same time sales of existing stores has increased significantly, then also conclusion will fall apart.

The only reason I can see to select B over E is that B does not specifically talk about Brindon Bolt Barn company, it talks about any warehouses. Please share your view. Thanks!!


Hi innocous

Right, I was holding on to B as well, that is until I read E. As you said, when you negate B, it does hurt the statement slightly but not necessarily as much and definitely not more than when you negate E.

If I may, where you slightly went off track was when your negation read -> Increased significantly. Please remember that when you negate in CR, it is a Logical Opposite, not Polar Opposite. So, the negation should read "do not have a smaller amount of work". Now, this may mean a significant amount of work or just slightly more work. Hence, it doesn't hurt the conclusion as significantly as E.
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