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Option D.Each is sufficient.
Using basic trigo:
From S1: TU=RS=10 mts.
cos 45=TV/TU (cos 45=1/sqrt2 and TU=10)
We can find TV
And cos 60=RV/RS (cos 60=1/2 and RS=10
We can find RV
The diff can be found out.Sufficient.

From S2: RV=5
We can find RS and TU by the same trigo formula-cos (angle)=Base/Hypotenuse
Then the diff between TV and RV can be found out.Sufficient.
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HI All,

This is a great "pattern matching" question, in that if you recognize what you're looking at, you won't need to do ANY math to get to the correct answer.

It doesn't take much to recognize the 30/60/90 and 45/45/90 right triangles in the drawing. The "key" to the shortcut is that we're told that that RS and TU are the SAME length - in math terms, this means that the hypotenuse of those two triangles is the SAME. By extension, if you know the length of ANY of the sides in EITHER of the triangles, then you can figure out EVERY side length in that drawing.

If you recognize this pattern, then dealing with the two Facts won't take much time or effort at all.

As an aside on the prior post in this thread, the GMAT will NEVER ask you a question that requires Trigonometry to solve it, so you do NOT need to know any Trig rules for this test.

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The most important point is here the word "THE SAME LADDER !!!" - missed it at the begining, but then could easily solve.. all other things in this question are just using known formulas for two particular triangles.
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How have we determined that RS=TU? Bunuel
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sadikabid27 wrote:
How have we determined that RS=TU? Bunuel


We are told that "RS and TU represent two positions of the SAME ladder", so line segments RS and TU are representing the SAME ladder just positioned in two different ways.

Hope it's clear.
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"SAME LADDER" is the killer term here.
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If "same" ladder was not mentioned, could we have still arrived at the same conclusion ?

If not, what would be the correct answer then ?

Please throw some light.
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Bunuel VeritasKarishma

If "same" ladder was not mentioned, could we have still arrived at the same conclusion ?

If not, what would be the correct answer then ?

Please throw some light.


The same ladder means the hypotenuses are the same.
The two triangles are 45-45-90 and 30-60-90.
So for either triangle, if you know any one side's measure, you know the measure of all sides of that triangle.
Stmnt 1 gives one side of TUV so you know all sides of TUV. Since hypotenuse lengths are the same, you know all sides of RSV too and hence stmnt 1 alone is sufficient.
If the two hypotenuse were not equal, you would not know the length of sides of RSV.
Same logic applies to stmnt 2 too.

Hence, in that case, instead of (D), answer would be (C) since you would need both statements.
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Hi avigutman -

If ABC is a non right angled triangle with fixed angles - 20 | 35 | 125 degree

1) You are given the length of one side (say 15 meters) -- are the lengths of the 2 other sides non-negiotiable ?

I think if ABC is a non right angled triangle instead with fixed angles - 35 | 55 | 90 degree

1) If you are given the length of one side (say 15 meters) -- the lengths of the 2 sides are non-negiotiable (i think)
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Hi avigutman -

If ABC is a non right angled triangle with fixed angles - 20 | 35 | 125 degree

1) You are given the length of one side (say 15 meters) -- are the lengths of the 2 other sides non-negiotiable ?

I think if ABC is a non right angled triangle instead with fixed angles - 35 | 55 | 90 degree

1) If you are given the length of one side (say 15 meters) -- the lengths of the 2 sides are non-negiotiable (i think)


jabhatta2 the three angles of a triangle fully determine the ratio of the three sides.
This is why triangles that have the same three angles are always similar shapes.
This is true regardless of whether one of the angles happens to be 90 degrees.
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jabhatta2 wrote:
Hi avigutman -

If ABC is a non right angled triangle with fixed angles - 20 | 35 | 125 degree

1) You are given the length of one side (say 15 meters) -- are the lengths of the 2 other sides non-negiotiable ?

I think if ABC is a non right angled triangle instead with fixed angles - 35 | 55 | 90 degree

1) If you are given the length of one side (say 15 meters) -- the lengths of the 2 sides are non-negiotiable (i think)


jabhatta2 the three angles of a triangle fully determine the ratio of the three sides.
This is why triangles that have the same three angles are always similar shapes.
This is true regardless of whether one of the angles happens to be 90 degrees.


Thanks avigutman - i think what you are implying is if angle SVR was NOT 90 degrees in the original question -- one can select D as the answer without pen and paper ?
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avigutman wrote:
the three angles of a triangle fully determine the ratio of the three sides.
This is why triangles that have the same three angles are always similar shapes.
This is true regardless of whether one of the angles happens to be 90 degrees.


Thanks avigutman - i think what you are implying is if angle SVR was NOT 90 degrees -- one can select D as the answer ?

jabhatta2 In this hypothetical, is SVR known? If so, then yes.
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The key to the answer is to understand that SR and TU are 2 different positions of the same ladder and hence SR=TU
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