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no why?
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Actually, thats precisely what it doesn't demonstrate. It demonstrates the INCREASING need NOT to treat people differently because they are black. One perfectly plausible explanation for the increasing gap is that blacks, aware of their special status, put forward less effort on exams under the premise that they know they don't need the same scores as their white counterparts. If this were the case, you'd expect that blacks would in fact perform just as well as their white counterparts in school - that is, the difference in standardized scoring has nothing to do with ability - there's something else driving it.
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If thats the case, why would there be a need for race sensitive admissions programs? The statement suggests blacks are fairly represented in schools, does it not?
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Ok, all the more evidence to suggest that blacks need not be treated differently. They are applying in greater numbers and getting in greater numbers.
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Holy cow batman. What a leap of logic! What you are saying here is that, without affirmative action, all these blacks that applied, almost NONE of them would have gotten in? Seriously? Do you think that poorly of blacks? Personally, I give them a bit more credit than that.
So, the logic here is pretty messed up - if the volume of blacks in masters programs is dramatically increasing (34% seems pretty dramatic to me), are we to believe taht this increase is based almost entirely on affirmative action, or are we to believe that a good portion of blacks make it in on the quality and caliber of their applications?
The implication of the statement that enrollment would drop to very low levels is that these are individuals who ON THEIR OWN MERIT, WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ADMITTED. First, that's not a very nice thought. Second, is it true? Where is the evidence to support this? Would enrollment drop 10%? 5% ? 50%? You gotta quantify it, or its a meaningless statement.
It's easy to make a claim without any evidence to support it.... but I guess the author didn't have to study "analysis of an argument" for his GMAT.
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OK, so this suggests that blacks who were admitted under some quota program were perfectly capable of handling the coursework to begin with, and if this is a demonstrably true, then why do you need affirmative action? If they were able to complete the programs just as well as their white counterparts, then, wouldn't they be able to complete applications just as well as their white counterparts? Or is the passage supposed to support the argument that when pushed to do so - people - white or black do the work, but without that incentive - say during the application process thanks to affirmative action - they are less likely to put forward the same effort?
I mean, would you have aimed for a 700 if you know you didn't need one? I probably wouldn't have. Maybe the explanation to scores is just taht simple - remove the incentive to do well, and people won't.
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Ok, more evidence that blacks are equals with whites when it comes to succeeding in academia. If thats the case, how would this in any way support the need to treat them differently? If anything it supports the argument not to.
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Actually, what it says is that even with affirmative action, admissions individuals are still selecting blacks capable of handling the workload and rigor of graduate programs. What it doesn't demonstrate at all is whether or not these are people who, on their own accord, might not have been admitted.
Moreover, if this is the case, again, why give admissions preference?
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You know whats the more interesting question here? Why do blacks only make up 8% of the GMAT test takers. Whats the root of that?
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So the gap seems signficant, of that I agree - but I'm not convinced that is an especially statistically significant change over the years. For instance, what if the median white score increased by 2 points and the median black score dropped by 1? Would you really consider that a statistically significant variation, or would that just be part of the expected variation year to year?
Again, the author seems to poorly substantiate his claims and seems to be carefully picking his numbers here.
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Wow. Only 1% of blacks are capable of scoring 700? That is, by definition, whites are smarter? Maybe this article was written by a racist white guy! I mean, jesus, could you be any more insulting to blacks? If I was black, I'd want to punch this guy. He's basically arguing that blacks simply cannot compete with whites, and thus, we need to help them get into these top programs. Thats a pretty asinine and racist viewpoint. Why not take the stance that since blacks do as well as whites in school, then it stands to reason they can do just as well on admissions exams and if there was an incentive to do so, they probably would.
Again, the author just pulls crap out of thing air. The poorly support asinine argument: PERHAPS (cause clearly the author doesnt know) 1% of blacks score over 700 (gosh, I bet a lot of black people don't like that statement!), thus because MAYBE a small portion of blacks score over 700, thus almost no black students would be in these schools.
Clearly the author doesn't know the meaning of "mean". When schools like Harvard say their mean is 700, it doesnt mean their minimum is 700. By definition, people score more than 700, and people score less than 700.
So whats the next half of the author's argument going to be in the face of that fact? What would he argue? That 1% score 700, and what only the top 3% score 600 or better?
I mean, that would have to be his argument to support this thought process.
Clearly many schools admit people at 600 all the way to 800, so for "almost no blacks" to get in, then almost no blacks must score better than 600. Somehow I doubt thats true. I bet a LOT of blacks score over 600. I bet a lot of blacks score over 700 too. The distribution might be different - but I somehow doubt that there are no qualified black men out there.
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Wow really? Unbelievable! Here's another statistic I can pull out of my arse. If affirmative action would stop, hispanic enrollment would increase by 250%. Really it would. I dont have any supporting evidence, but I can make sh** up too.
Moreover, if thats true, it's saying that basically, no blacks whatsoever get into b-school on their own accord. Essentially, what the article has argued up until this point is that if you are black, you can't possibly do well on the GMAT (remember: blacks cant score over 700 for some reason), and the only way you could get into a good school was through a program that took pity on you.
In short: This article is demeaning and insulting to African Americans as a whole, it's poorly articulated, badly written, unsubstantiated and clearly little more than propoganda. Affirmative action is bullsh**.
