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Ans: E.

First statement is not sufficient because if x=4, it may or may not be true. LHS = +1 or -1 while RHS = -1.

Second statement leads us to -3^1/2 < x < 0. For all the values between 0 and -3^1/2, which leads to |LHS| = RHS.

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Is \(\sqrt{(x-3)^2}=3-x\)?

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Remember: \(\sqrt{x^2}=|x|\).

\(\sqrt{(x-3)^2}=|x-3|\). So the question becomes is \(|x-3|=3-x\).

When \(x>3\), then RHS is negative, but LHS (absolute value) is never negative, hence in this case equations doesn't hold true.

When \(x\leq{3}\), then \(LHS=|x-3|=-x+3=3-x=RHS\), hence in this case equation holds true.

Basically question asks is \(x\leq{3}\)?

(1) x is not equal to 3. Clearly insufficient.

(2) \(-x|x| > 3\), basically this inequality implies that \(x<0\), hence \(x<3\). Sufficient.

Answer: B.
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is \sqrt{(x-3)^2} = 3-x?
square root of a number is positive.
if x<=3 .. 3-x is always positive
if x>3 ... 3-x is negative

st 1) x!=3 .
not sufficient as we dont know if x>3 or x<3
st 2) -x |x| > 0
|x| is always greater than 0, so x has to be negative for the expression to be > 0

if x is negative, then \sqrt{(x-3)^2} = 3-x

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Just a slight correction I think...
St2 is saying x<-sqrt of 3 which is still a sufficient condition.

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I got x<-1.732 from statement 2

This satisfies the x<3 requisite
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sqrt((x-3)^2) = |x-3| = x-3 if x > 3 or 3-x if x < 3

(1) is not enough

(2) -x|x| is positive then

So -x is also +ve and hence x is -ve

so x < 3, hence answer is B
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I'm a bit confused by this problem
Why can I not square both sides of the statement to get rid of the radical?
I will then have (x-3)^2=(3-x)^2
Statement 1 and 2 both will not apply in this case and the answer is then E.

However if I choose Bunuels method of doing it, I still dont get how B is the answer.
Statement 2 basically says that x=-2,-3....and so on and so forth will satisfy the statement. So basically all negative numbers equal to or less than 2 will satisfy the condition...

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s = 3 - x

1) x not equal to 3

2) -x|x| > 0


Ans: Q can be repharsed as is 3-x>0 ?

Stmt1: x<>3 --> x can take on any values other that x such as x = -9 and 3-(-9) = 12

or x = 10 and 3-(10) = -7 Insuff

Stmt 2 : x has to be negative and any negative value of x will render 3 - x positive. Suff

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Lets disect the question stem first.

sqrt((x-3)^2) = 3 - x

Carrying out the squaring and then the square root operation, we get:

|(x-3)| = 3 - x

To solve the modulus sign, we will have two cases -
Case 1: (x-3)>=0
=> x = 3

Case 2: (x-3) < 0
=> Every value of x less than 3 satisfies the equation

Therefore sqrt((x-3)^2) = 3 - x
for all values of x<=3, but this equation is not satisfied for values of x>3

Now consider the statements of the DS.

Statement (1): x is not equal to 3
If x is not equal to 3, it could be greater than 3 or less than 3. If x is less than 3, the equation is satisfied. If x is greater than 3, the equation is not satisfied. Therefore we cannot say if the equation will be satisfied if x is not equal to 3.
Statement (1) alone is therefore insufficient to answer the question.

Next lets consider statement (2):
Statement (2): -x|x|>0
Again to remove the modulus sign make two cases.
Case 1: x>=0 => -x(x) >0 => -(x^2) > 0, which is impossible because x^2 is always >=0, so -(x^2) cannot be >0 for any values of x. Therefore to satisfy this inequality, x cannot be >0
Case 2: x<0 => -x (-x) > 0
=> x^2 > 0 , which is true for all values of x except 0.
Therefore the inequality is satisfied for all values of x<0

Therefore from statement (2) we know that x<0. And from the stem of the question (after we solved it), we know that the equation given in the stem is satisfied for all values of x<=3. Therefore the equation will hold for all values of x specified by statement (2). Therefore statement (2) alone is enough to solve the question.

The answer is therefore (B).
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could you explain me please why do you use inequality signs? in question stem there is just equal sign

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The inequality sign is needed to work with the modulus. When we remove the square root sign, we must take the modulus of the answer because the answer could be positive or negative.

To know more about working with modulus operators, please search for 'Absolute value (Modulus'
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Is \(\sqrt{(x-3)^2} = 3 - x\) ?

(1) x is not equal to 3
(2) \(-x |x| > 0\)

According to my reasoning:
\(\sqrt{(x-3)^2}\)\(= |x-3|\)
So, the question is:
Is \(|x-3| = 3 -x\)?
In other words:
Is \(x - 3 < 0\) ?
Is \(x < 3\)?

So, let's see the clues:
(1) x is not equal to 3
INSUFFICIENT.

(2) \(-x |x| > 0\)
Based on this info we know that x is not zero.
So,
\(-x > 0\)
\(x < 0\)
SUFFICIENT.

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Is \(\sqrt{(x-3)^2} = 3 - x\) ?

(1) x is not equal to 3
(2) \(-x |x| > 0\)

According to my reasoning:
\(\sqrt{(x-3)^2}\)\(= |x-3|\)
So, the question is:
Is \(|x-3| = 3 -x\)?
In other words:
Is \(x - 3 < 0\) ?
Is \(x < 3\)?

So, let's see the clues:
(1) x is not equal to 3
INSUFFICIENT.

(2) \(-x |x| > 0\)
Based on this info we know that x is not zero.
So,
\(-x > 0\)
\(x < 0\)
SUFFICIENT.

IMO, the OA is :
[Reveal] Spoiler:
B

Please, confirm whether I am Ok.


You are right OA is B.
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Is \(\sqrt{(x-3)^2}=3-x\)?

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Remember: \(\sqrt{x^2}=|x|\).

\(\sqrt{(x-3)^2}=|x-3|\). So the question becomes is \(|x-3|=3-x\).

When \(x>3\), then RHS is negative, but LHS (absolute value) is never negative, hence in this case equations doesn't hold true.

When \(x\leq{3}\), then \(LHS=|x-3|=-x+3=3-x=RHS\), hence in this case equation holds true.

Basically question asks is \(x\leq{3}\)?

(1) x is not equal to 3. Clearly insufficient.

(2) \(-x|x| > 3\), basically this inequality implies that \(x<0\), hence \(x<3\). Sufficient.

Answer: B.


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is it possible in this question to solve by taking conditions x>0 and x<0 for |x-3| = 3-x instead of x>3 ?

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I have no idea how to solve this. Aren't the two of them always equal? I thought LHS = RHS without (1) and (2). VERY confused. Please help


The question is

Is \(\sqrt{(x-3)^2}= 3-x\)?

(1) x<>3

(2) -x|x|>0

\(\sqrt{y}\) can only be positive or 0.

So,The question is basically asking whether 3-x >= 0

1) Insufficient. If x=1, true, If x=10, false.

2) From this we get that x is negative. So -x is postivie. So, 3 + (-x) will always be a positive number. Sufficient.

Answer is hence B.

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Is \(\sqrt{(x-3)^2}=3-x\)?

(1) x not = 3

(2) -x|x| > 3

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Remember: \(\sqrt{x^2}=|x|\).

\(\sqrt{(x-3)^2}=|x-3|\). So the question becomes is \(|x-3|=3-x\).

When \(x>3\), then RHS is negative, but LHS (absolute value) is never negative, hence in this case equations doesn't hold true.

When \(x\leq{3}\), then \(LHS=|x-3|=-x+3=3-x=RHS\), hence in this case equation holds true.

Basically question asks is \(x\leq{3}\)?

(1) x is not equal to 3. Clearly insufficient.

(2) \(-x|x| > 3\), basically this inequality implies that \(x<0\), hence \(x<3\). Sufficient.

Answer: B.




(2) Actually \(-x|x| > 3\), implies that \(x<-sqrt(3)\), but still, as you mentioned, consequently implies that \(x<3\). Sufficient.

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Hi Bunuel,

In the solution provided by you, why not choosing two conditions x>=0 and x<0? Also how did you come to this conclusion that Basically question is asking x\leq{3}?

Please help me understand this concept.

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Hi Bunuel,

In the solution provided by you, why not choosing two conditions x>=0 and x<0? Also how did you come to this conclusion that Basically question is asking x\leq{3}?

Please help me understand this concept.

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I got it now!

|x-3| = (3-x) ===> |3-x| = (3-x) ===>which is only possible when (3-x) >=0 (i.e +ve)

(like |x| =x only when x>=0)

so we have 3-x >=0 ====> x<=3


Also for option B

-x|x| > 3
==> x|x| < 3
so |x| is always positive but so make it less than 3 , x must be negative. i.e. x<0

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