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14 Feb 2017, 03:31
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Hi mikemcgarry ,
How are you?
Recently, I read Magoosh ebook of idiom,
I got a note, on the bottom of Page 10, that Also, adding the word “when” before the word “compared” is always 100% wrong.
when I read the note, I recalled a sentence from OG16 SC # 116, ( if I post a wrong session, please tell me, I will re-post it.)
November is traditionally the strongest month for sales of light trucks, but sales this past November, even when compared with sales in previous Novembers, accounted for a remarkably large share of total vehicle sales.
(A) but sales this past November, even when compared with sales in previous Novembers, -- credit answer
(B) but even when it is compared with previous Novembers, this past November’s sales
(C) but even when they are compared with previous Novembers, sales of light trucks this past November
(D) so that compared with previous Novembers, sales of light trucks this past November
(E) so that this past November’s sales, even compared with previous Novembers’ sales,
I can get that the comparison in the SC is sales in this past November VS sales in previous Novembers,
Also, I found there is a word "WHEN" before "compared", this case seems against the note from Magoosh ebook idiom -- Also, adding the word “when” before the word “compared” is always 100% wrong.
I think I must miss something, but I have no idea what I missed.
Would you please clarify ?
thanks in advance
have a nice day
>_~
How are you?
Recently, I read Magoosh ebook of idiom,
I got a note, on the bottom of Page 10, that Also, adding the word “when” before the word “compared” is always 100% wrong.
when I read the note, I recalled a sentence from OG16 SC # 116, ( if I post a wrong session, please tell me, I will re-post it.)
November is traditionally the strongest month for sales of light trucks, but sales this past November, even when compared with sales in previous Novembers, accounted for a remarkably large share of total vehicle sales.
(A) but sales this past November, even when compared with sales in previous Novembers, -- credit answer
(B) but even when it is compared with previous Novembers, this past November’s sales
(C) but even when they are compared with previous Novembers, sales of light trucks this past November
(D) so that compared with previous Novembers, sales of light trucks this past November
(E) so that this past November’s sales, even compared with previous Novembers’ sales,
I can get that the comparison in the SC is sales in this past November VS sales in previous Novembers,
Also, I found there is a word "WHEN" before "compared", this case seems against the note from Magoosh ebook idiom -- Also, adding the word “when” before the word “compared” is always 100% wrong.
I think I must miss something, but I have no idea what I missed.
Would you please clarify ?
thanks in advance
have a nice day
>_~
14 Feb 2017, 15:46
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zoezhuyan
Dear zoezhuyan
How are you, my friend?
Yes, there are exceptions to that rule in the idiom ebook.
Here's the basic idea. The word "when" and "although" are two examples of subordinate conjunctions. The role of a subordinate conjunction is to begin a dependent clause. A dependent clause is still a full clause--it must have a noun + a full verb. We are breaking the rules if "when" or "although" or another subordinate conjunction doesn't have a full verb after it--for example, if it simply has a participle, rather than a full verb.
That's the basic idea, but that's not the whole story. The whole story is that when a pronoun & helping verb are implied, then don't need to be stated explicitly. Thus, what's printed on the page will look like a [subordinate conjunction] + [participle], but when we fill in the implied words, we have a full subject & verb.
In this example:
printed = "even when compared with sales in previous Novembers"
with implied text = "even when they are compared with sales in previous Novembers"
Those short words don't have to be written--they are understood. Nevertheless, the only way we make sense of the grammar in the dependent clause is to remember to include these.
Notice that this wouldn't work with all participle
"even when comparing with sales in previous Novembers"
That example is 100% wrong, because there's no pronoun & helping verb combination that we can use that would make sense in the context of the sentence.
Does all this make sense?
Take good care of yourself, my friend!
Mike
14 Feb 2017, 21:34
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mikemcgarry
Hi mikemcgarry,
Aha ... so if "when + compared" is incorrect, it is because the structure is not sensible clause, instead of idiomatical error.
Did I get it ?
BTW, as your example "even when comparing with sales in previous Novembers"
Would you please give me an example when "even when comparing with sales in previous Novembers"
is correct.
I looked up dictionary, I found there is an idiom that use "compared with / to" , there is no "comparing with/ to".
Thanks in advance
Have a nice day.
>_~
