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New post 16 Apr 2016, 05:43
hi egmat, I just went through the egmat file on: "VERB-ED MODIFIERS CANNOT JUMP OVER VERBS" that took this question as an example. I would just like to understand something:
since the of-prep " of the Kushan empire" modifies TIME, can we then say that "fashioned" modifies TIME more than it does EMPIRE?
In other words should " comma + Verb ED modifiers" be treated as "comma + relative pronoun modifiers" are?
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Many of the earliest known images of Hindu deities in India date from the time of the Kushan empire, fashioned either from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or Gandharan grey schist.
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hi egmat, I just went through the egmat file on: "VERB-ED MODIFIERS CANNOT JUMP OVER VERBS" that took this question as an example. I would just like to understand something:
since the of-prep " of the Kushan empire" modifies TIME, can we then say that "fashioned" modifies TIME more than it does EMPIRE?
In other words should " comma + Verb ED modifiers" be treated as "comma + relative pronoun modifiers" are?
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Many of the earliest known images of Hindu deities in India date from the time of the Kushan empire, fashioned either from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or Gandharan grey schist.


I would suggest to keep things simple: All modifiers except present participle modifiers ( -ing) would in most cases follow the "touch rule" - that the modifier touches the noun it modifies. However it is also important to keep a note of the exception to the touch rule ( Manhattan SC guide provides a superb gist of the exceptions).

Keeping the above in mind, what you have suggested - something close to that a past participle modifier and a relative clause modifier follow the touch rule - is generally correct.
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since the of-prep " of the Kushan empire" modifies TIME, can we then say that "fashioned" modifies TIME more than it does EMPIRE?

Hi Icecream87, the past participle phrase here (fashioned...) is not intended to modify either Kushan empire or time.

It is intended to modify images of Hindu deities, since these images were fashioned from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or Gandharan grey schist.

In fact, if you look at the correct option (option E), it makes it very clear:

Many of the earliest known images of Hindu deities date...and were fashioned...

So, for the verb were, the subject is images of Hindu deities. So, we know that the images of Hindu deities were fashioned.

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since the of-prep " of the Kushan empire" modifies TIME, can we then say that "fashioned" modifies TIME more than it does EMPIRE?

Hi Icecream87, the past participle phrase here (fashioned...) is not intended to modify either Kushan empire or time.

It is intended to modify images of Hindu deities, since these images were fashioned from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or Gandharan grey schist.

In fact, if you look at the correct option (option E), it makes it very clear:

Many of the earliest known images of Hindu deities date...and were fashioned...

So, for the verb were, the subject is images of Hindu deities. So, we know that the images of Hindu deities were fashioned.

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Hi EducationAisle,

Thanks for answering. I get why this sentence is wrong. I was however trying to understand if that bold part in the sentence would be correct if fashioned was intended to modify time

for instance:
The boutique in Paris, whose owner was robbed is closed.
in Paris correctly modifies boutique so the placement of whose is accepted

But if the sentence was as follows, would it still be correct?
The boutique in Paris, colored red is closed.
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But if the sentence was as follows, would it still be correct?
The boutique in Paris, colored red is closed.

Yes. Following is an officially correct sentence:

Fossils of the arm of a sloth, found in Puerto Rico in 1991, have been dated at 34 million years old, making the sloth the earliest known mammal on the Greater Antilles islands.

The past participle found modifies fossils and not sloth.
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Hi all,

Issue: ",fashioned" modifier describes which noun among IMAGES, DEITIES, and EMPIRE?

Grammatically, ",fashioned" modifier is supposed to describe EMPIRE, the closest noun.

Honestly, for non-native speakers, like me, it is quite tough to decide correct noun that ", fashioned" modifier is assigned to.

So my approach will be that if I have a doubt, such as the above issue, then I just leave it there and examine other options.

Option E makes sense, without any doubt, to me. It is because the missing E will construct a parallelism structure that provides 2 independent ideas:

(1) The images date from the time of the Kushan empire

AND

(2) The images were fashioned.......

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Hi all,

Issue: ",fashioned" modifier describes which noun among IMAGES, DEITIES, and EMPIRE?

Grammatically, ",fashioned" modifier is supposed to describe EMPIRE, the closest noun.

Honestly, for non-native speakers, like me, it is quite tough to decide correct noun that ", fashioned" modifier is assigned to.

So my approach will be that if I have a doubt, such as the above issue, then I just leave it there and examine other options.

Option E makes sense, without any doubt, to me. It is because the missing E will construct a parallelism structure that provides 2 independent ideas:

(1) The images date from the time of the Kushan empire

AND

(2) The images were fashioned.......

Just my 2 cents.



Hello SISDIT,

I am aware that your post is pretty old. However, I will be glad to add my two cents here to describe how the context of the sentence can help us a modifier is meant to modify which entity.

Let's read the original sentence once: Many of the earliest known images of Hindu deities in India date from the time of the Kushan empire, fashioned either from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or Gandharan grey schist.

From the context of the sentence, we know that something is fashioned from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or Gandharan grey schist.

From the word sandstone we know that the spotted sandstone of Mathura is a kind of stone that is found in Mathura,. Hence, we can safely infer that Gandharan grey schist is also a type of stone.

So what could logically be made up of these one of the types of stones?

EMPIRE: This noun does not make sense. What do we mean by the empire was fashioned from a kind of stone?
DEITIES: This noun also does not make sense because deities mean gods or goddesses that cannot be fashioned from stone:
IMAGES: This noun makes sense because we are aware that images or statues can be fashioned or made from stone.

So the only logical noun entity that the verb-ed modifier fashioned can describe is the images.


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Some one please help me,how to find the core of this sentence :- I mean how do I find the subject and verb. Please help me to strip this sentence to it's core.

Many of the earliest known images of Hindu deities in India date from the time of the Kushan empire, fashioned [either from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or] Gandharan grey schist.

A) Empire, fashioned either from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or
B) Empire, fashioned from either the spotted sandstone of Mathura or from
C) Empire, either fashioned from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or
D) Empire and either fashioned from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or from
E) Empire and were fashioned either from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or from

If I ask question who or what fashioned Gandharran grey schist.
is this the subject :- Hindu deities fashioned

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Some one please help me,how to find the core of this sentence :- I mean how do I find the subject and verb. Please help me to strip this sentence to it's core.

Hi rajatbanik, the core of the sentence is:

Many of the earliest known images of Hindu deities in India date from the time of the Kushan empire.

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If I ask question who or what fashioned Gandharran grey schist.
is this the subject :- Hindu deities fashioned

If you logically think about it, you got the relationship reverse. Hindu deities did not fashion Gandharan grey schist (a stone); the Hindu deities were fashioned (were carved) by Gandharan grey schist.

Perhaps one reason for your mis-interpretation could be that you thought that fashioned was a simple past tense verb. In this sentence however, the only verb is date; fashioned is used as a past participle here, and not as a simple past tense verb.

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rajatbanik wrote:
Some one please help me,how to find the core of this sentence :- I mean how do I find the subject and verb. Please help me to strip this sentence to it's core.

Hi rajatbanik, the core of the sentence is:

Many of the earliest known images of Hindu deities in India date from the time of the Kushan empire.

Quote:
If I ask question who or what fashioned Gandharran grey schist.
is this the subject :- Hindu deities fashioned

If you logically think about it, you got the relationship reverse. Hindu deities did not fashion Gandharan grey schist (a stone); the Hindu deities were fashioned (were carved) by Gandharan grey schist.

Perhaps one reason for your mis-interpretation could be that you thought that fashioned was a simple past tense verb. In this sentence however, the only verb is date; fashioned is used as a past participle here, and not as a simple past tense verb.


Could you please explain what does the verb date here mean.
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Could you please explain what does the verb date here mean.

date means to belong to a particular period / have its origin.
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Many of the earliest known images of Hindu deities in India date from the time of the Kushan empire, fashioned either from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or Gandharan grey schist.



(A) empire, fashioned either from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or - Incorrect

(B) empire, fashioned from either the spotted sandstone of Mathura or from - Incorrect

(C) empire, either fashioned from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or - Incorrect

(D) empire and either fashioned from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or from - Incorrect

(E) empire and were fashioned either from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or from - Correct. SVA. Idiom usage.

Answer: (E).
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Many of the earliest known images of Hindu deities in India date from the time of the Kushan empire, fashioned either from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or Gandharan grey schist.

(A) empire, fashioned either from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or

(B) empire, fashioned from either the spotted sandstone of Mathura or from

(C) empire, either fashioned from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or

(D) empire and either fashioned from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or from

(E) empire and were fashioned either from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or from


Analysis : The modifier fashioned is erroneously modifying the previous noun Kushan empire - It seems to state a illogical meaning that KE was fashioned either from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or Gandharan grey schist. Where as the intended meaning is somewhat :

Many of the earliest known in India
-------------------1) date from the time of the Kushan empire
-------------------2) fashioned either from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or Gandharan grey schist.


so both of them are saying something about images of Hindu deities


Option A: Incorrect : As pointed out in analysis.

Option B: Incorrect : Similar issue as in A.

Option C: Incorrect : 1. Same issue as in A.
-------------------------2. Not following the std form idiom Either X or Y (where X ll Y) - here Either X(verb) or Y( noun) (where X notll Y)

Option D: Incorrect : Similar issue as in c(2). Not following the std form idiom Either X or Y (where X ll Y) - here Either X(verb) or Y( noun) (where X notll Y)

Option E: Correct :
--------------------1. Both the information about images of Hindu deities are connected properly by and.
--------------------2. date logically ll were fashioned - both of them being illustrative information about the subject.
--------------------3. Correctly follows the std form idiom Either X (the spotted sandstone of Mathura) or Y (Gandharan grey schist) (where X(noun) ll Y(noun)
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