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Hello,

I took my GMAT recently, and scored 740 (Q49, V41).
I have completed my masters in engineering, and my UG GPA is 8.42/10, and PG GPA is 9.37/10.
I have 18 months of work experience in engineering design (construction), however, I wish to change my industry, and by the time I enter b-school, I would have approx. 3 years of experience. (Current age 25, age at the time of entering course 26-27)
Also, I am an Indian male. Not, IT guy, but engineer no less.

I wish to work/settle in Europe (particularly Germany - No solid German language skills yet, but working on that), thus, I was aiming for following programs:

1. FSFM (MBA) : Primarily because of location
2. WHU (MBA) : Because required work experience is only 2 years, 3 years may give me little room, + Popularity
3. Manheim (MBA) : Top in Germany (also long shot, given the irrelevant and bare minimum work experience)

However, through multiple blog posts and experiences, I have come to an understanding that the firms in Germany are unwilling to hire the students without relevant job experience, and without fluency in German language. But these blog posts are much older, and newer posts are difficult to find.

Considering the job market as present, (and future, since I will be starting in 2019), how difficult is it to secure the job in Germany post MBA, for international student with no management experience and limited fluency in German language?

Alternatively, I will be aiming for following programs:
1. MiM at HEC Paris
2. MiM at LBS

(As per my understanding, MiM in Germany requires economy/finance background, so, no cookie for me.)

Is it better for me to go for MiM programs, aimed at students with no experience or relatively low experience (given that I do not have any management related experience, I will mostly be considered as fresher candidate), with the possibility of getting a job in general management or operation management in tech. industry? (Basically, I will try to keep myself away from IB and Consulting)
Given my not so notable performance in quant (Q49, IR 6), will it be a disadvantage in quant heavy MiM programs?

The long term goal in life, really, is not to earn more and shine with all the dollars (euros!!) but to have little more peace and somewhat work life balance (maybe only 50-60hrs per week?) by 10-15 years of career, and not die while I am shouting at some colleague.

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TL;DR
1. How difficult is it to secure job in Germany, for international students outside Europe, willing to completely change industry and function?
2. It seems that most of the MiM graduates go to Consulting/IB/Finance of some sort. How difficult is it to get into operations management or general management after MiM?
3. Given my not so great quant and low IR (Q49, IR 6), what impression will it make on adcoms for quant heavy MiM courses?

Originally posted by ksanchay92 on 30 Jan 2018, 01:45.
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ksanchay92 wrote:
Hello,

I took my GMAT recently, and scored 740 (Q49, V41).
I have completed my masters in engineering, and my UG GPA is 8.42/10, and PG GPA is 9.37/10.
I have 18 months of work experience in engineering design (construction), however, I wish to change my industry, and by the time I enter b-school, I would have approx. 3 years of experience. (Current age 25, age at the time of entering course 26-27)
Also, I am an Indian male. Not, IT guy, but engineer no less.

I wish to work/settle in Europe (particularly Germany - No solid German language skills yet, but working on that), thus, I was aiming for following programs:

1. FSFM (MBA) : Primarily because of location
2. WHU (MBA) : Because required work experience is only 2 years, 3 years may give me little room, + Popularity
3. Manheim (MBA) : Top in Germany (also long shot, given the irrelevant and bare minimum work experience)

However, through multiple blog posts and experiences, I have come to an understanding that the firms in Germany are unwilling to hire the students without relevant job experience, and without fluency in German language. But these blog posts are much older, and newer posts are difficult to find.

Considering the job market as present, (and future, since I will be starting in 2019), how difficult is it to secure the job in Germany post MBA, for international student with no management experience and limited fluency in German language?

Alternatively, I will be aiming for following programs:
1. MiM at HEC Paris
2. MiM at LBS

(As per my understanding, MiM in Germany requires economy/finance background, so, no cookie for me.)

Is it better for me to go for MiM programs, aimed at students with no experience or relatively low experience (given that I do not have any management related experience, I will mostly be considered as fresher candidate), with the possibility of getting a job in general management or operation management in tech. industry? (Basically, I will try to keep myself away from IB and Consulting)
Given my not so notable performance in quant (Q49, IR 6), will it be a disadvantage in quant heavy MiM programs?

The long term goal in life, really, is not to earn more and shine with all the dollars (euros!!) but to have little more peace and somewhat work life balance (maybe only 50-60hrs per week?) by 10-15 years of career, and not die while I am shouting at some colleague.



Short and Not so sweet..
1. MBA will give you higher returns for your investment, both in terms of your career advancement and your pay package.
2. MIM (at this time) gives more job security, but the jobs you get will be lower end than those MBAs will get.

Overall, it will depend upon your personality, your networking skills and such others whether you are able to convert opportunities into confirmed jobs in either/both. As much as it is difficult to do, you will have to decide what works.
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TheIvyLeagueEdge wrote:
ksanchay92 wrote:
Hello,

I took my GMAT recently, and scored 740 (Q49, V41).
I have completed my masters in engineering, and my UG GPA is 8.42/10, and PG GPA is 9.37/10.
I have 18 months of work experience in engineering design (construction), however, I wish to change my industry, and by the time I enter b-school, I would have approx. 3 years of experience. (Current age 25, age at the time of entering course 26-27)
Also, I am an Indian male. Not, IT guy, but engineer no less.

I wish to work/settle in Europe (particularly Germany - No solid German language skills yet, but working on that), thus, I was aiming for following programs:

1. FSFM (MBA) : Primarily because of location
2. WHU (MBA) : Because required work experience is only 2 years, 3 years may give me little room, + Popularity
3. Manheim (MBA) : Top in Germany (also long shot, given the irrelevant and bare minimum work experience)

However, through multiple blog posts and experiences, I have come to an understanding that the firms in Germany are unwilling to hire the students without relevant job experience, and without fluency in German language. But these blog posts are much older, and newer posts are difficult to find.

Considering the job market as present, (and future, since I will be starting in 2019), how difficult is it to secure the job in Germany post MBA, for international student with no management experience and limited fluency in German language?

Alternatively, I will be aiming for following programs:
1. MiM at HEC Paris
2. MiM at LBS

(As per my understanding, MiM in Germany requires economy/finance background, so, no cookie for me.)

Is it better for me to go for MiM programs, aimed at students with no experience or relatively low experience (given that I do not have any management related experience, I will mostly be considered as fresher candidate), with the possibility of getting a job in general management or operation management in tech. industry? (Basically, I will try to keep myself away from IB and Consulting)
Given my not so notable performance in quant (Q49, IR 6), will it be a disadvantage in quant heavy MiM programs?

The long term goal in life, really, is not to earn more and shine with all the dollars (euros!!) but to have little more peace and somewhat work life balance (maybe only 50-60hrs per week?) by 10-15 years of career, and not die while I am shouting at some colleague.



Short and Not so sweet..
1. MBA will give you higher returns for your investment, both in terms of your career advancement and your pay package.
2. MIM (at this time) gives more job security, but the jobs you get will be lower end than those MBAs will get.

Overall, it will depend upon your personality, your networking skills and such others whether you are able to convert opportunities into confirmed jobs in either/both. As much as it is difficult to do, you will have to decide what works.


Thank you for your suggestion.

Fat paychecks was never a goal, nor it will be, I shall aim just enough so that I wont have to hesitate while spending those few extra euros for extra legroom seat in economy class.

The three doubts I have right now, are:
1. How difficult is it to secure job in Germany, for international students outside Europe, willing to completely change industry and function?
2. It seems that most of the MiM graduates go to Consulting/IB/Finance of some sort. How difficult is it to get into operations management or general management after MiM?
3. Given my not so great quant and low IR (Q49, IR 6), what impression will it make on adcoms for quant heavy MiM courses?
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TheIvyLeagueEdge wrote:
ksanchay92 wrote:
Hello,

I took my GMAT recently, and scored 740 (Q49, V41).
I have completed my masters in engineering, and my UG GPA is 8.42/10, and PG GPA is 9.37/10.
I have 18 months of work experience in engineering design (construction), however, I wish to change my industry, and by the time I enter b-school, I would have approx. 3 years of experience. (Current age 25, age at the time of entering course 26-27)
Also, I am an Indian male. Not, IT guy, but engineer no less.

I wish to work/settle in Europe (particularly Germany - No solid German language skills yet, but working on that), thus, I was aiming for following programs:

1. FSFM (MBA) : Primarily because of location
2. WHU (MBA) : Because required work experience is only 2 years, 3 years may give me little room, + Popularity
3. Manheim (MBA) : Top in Germany (also long shot, given the irrelevant and bare minimum work experience)

However, through multiple blog posts and experiences, I have come to an understanding that the firms in Germany are unwilling to hire the students without relevant job experience, and without fluency in German language. But these blog posts are much older, and newer posts are difficult to find.

Considering the job market as present, (and future, since I will be starting in 2019), how difficult is it to secure the job in Germany post MBA, for international student with no management experience and limited fluency in German language?

Alternatively, I will be aiming for following programs:
1. MiM at HEC Paris
2. MiM at LBS

(As per my understanding, MiM in Germany requires economy/finance background, so, no cookie for me.)

Is it better for me to go for MiM programs, aimed at students with no experience or relatively low experience (given that I do not have any management related experience, I will mostly be considered as fresher candidate), with the possibility of getting a job in general management or operation management in tech. industry? (Basically, I will try to keep myself away from IB and Consulting)
Given my not so notable performance in quant (Q49, IR 6), will it be a disadvantage in quant heavy MiM programs?

The long term goal in life, really, is not to earn more and shine with all the dollars (euros!!) but to have little more peace and somewhat work life balance (maybe only 50-60hrs per week?) by 10-15 years of career, and not die while I am shouting at some colleague.



Short and Not so sweet..
1. MBA will give you higher returns for your investment, both in terms of your career advancement and your pay package.
2. MIM (at this time) gives more job security, but the jobs you get will be lower end than those MBAs will get.

Overall, it will depend upon your personality, your networking skills and such others whether you are able to convert opportunities into confirmed jobs in either/both. As much as it is difficult to do, you will have to decide what works.


Thank you for your suggestion.

Fat paychecks was never a goal, nor it will be, I shall aim just enough so that I wont have to hesitate while spending those few extra euros for extra legroom seat in economy class.

The three doubts I have right now, are:
1. How difficult is it to secure job in Germany, for international students outside Europe, willing to completely change industry and function?
2. It seems that most of the MiM graduates go to Consulting/IB/Finance of some sort. How difficult is it to get into operations management or general management after MiM?
3. Given my not so great quant and low IR (Q49, IR 6), what impression will it make on adcoms for quant heavy MiM courses?


Q49 is not a major problem. As for the rest, I am afraid, I'll just have to repeat the corollary of what I said earlier.

Overall, it will depend upon your personality, your networking skills and such others whether you are able to convert opportunities into confirmed jobs in either/both. As much as it is difficult to do, you will have to decide what works.

Feel free to connect for more details.
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1. How difficult is it to secure job in Germany, for international students outside Europe, willing to completely change industry and function?
IF YOU CAN'T SPEAK THE LANGUAGE IN ANY COUNTRY THINGS WILL BE HARD FOR YOU ESPECIALLY IF MOST OF THE WORK IS DONE IN THAT LANGUAGE. I WOULD ALSO REACH OUT TO THE CAREER SERVICES AT EACH OF THE GERMAN SCHOOLS YOU ARE INTERESTED IN AND ASK THIS QUESTION DIRECTLY
2. It seems that most of the MiM graduates go to Consulting/IB/Finance of some sort. How difficult is it to get into operations management or general management after MiM?
CONSULTING/FINANCE ARE THE MAJOR FEEDERS FOR BUSINESS PROGRAMS, BUT THESE PROGRAMS SHOULD OFFER OPPORTUNITIES I RECOMMEND TAKING A LOOK AT THE EMPLOYMENT REPORT AT YOUR TARGET SCHOOLS, ALL OF THE INFO WILL BE THERE
3. Given my not so great quant and low IR (Q49, IR 6), what impression will it make on adcoms for quant heavy MiM courses?
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