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Why dont we consider the no of ways in which 8 vouchers are to be distributed among the 4 nephews equally? Isnt that also included within 120 ways?

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Note that the vouchers are not distinct. Since each nephew gets at least 2 vouchers, we give away 2 to each in 1 way. The 8 vouchers are distributed among 4 nephews in 1 way only (2 vouchers per nephew).
The extra 7 vouchers (since we have a total of 15) need to be distributed among the 4 nephews such that any nephew may get any number of vouchers. This can be done in
10!/7!*3! = 10*3*4 = 120 ways

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Crack700 pls how did n-5C3=120 give 15? How did you solve for n from that formular to give 15??? Can anyone help? I'm lost please.

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[quote="crack700"][quote="bogos"]It took me 10 minutes to solve it :(
First, it is remarked that all vouchers are equivalent.
Let's call nephews A, B, C, D and their number of vouchers (2+a), (2+b), (2+c), and (2+d), respectively, where a, b, c, d non negative integers (since each of them has at least 2 vouchers).
If n is the total number of vouchers, then:
a+b+c+d=n-8 or a+b+c+d=m with m=n-8
Let X=a+b and Y=c+d
so X+Y=m and (m+1) possible couples are (X=0, Y=m), (X=1, Y=m-1), ..., (X=m, Y=0)
On the other hand, (a, b) such that a+b=k and a,b>=0, the number of such couples is equal to k+1.
Therefore, generic solution is:
1*(m+1)+2*m+3*(m-1)+...+m*2+(m+1)*1
To get 120 different ways, m equals to 7, or n=15, thus C.

Sure this is not the easiest way to deal with this problem![/quote]

Actually there is a formula for this
The total number of ways of dividing n identical items among r persons, each one of whom, can receive 0,1,2 or more items = n+r-1Cr-1.
Here if each nephew gets at least 2 tickets we have n-8 tickets left to distribute among 4 nephews and each one of them can receive 0,1,2..n-8 items.
Total no of ways that can happen = (n-8)+(4-1)C(4-1)
= n-5C3
n-5C3=120 for n=15 .So C[/quote]
Please I'm confused as to how you got 15 when you solved n-5C3=120
How did you arrive at 15 by solving woth that formular? Please help, I'm stuck There! Anyone hellllppp pleaseee

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Using the direct nCr formula does not equate to 120 ...
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Why are we assuming that 120 ways to distribute the remaining vouchers, after Mrs Smith has already distributed 2 vouchers per head?
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Why are we assuming that 120 ways to distribute the remaining vouchers, after Mrs Smith has already distributed 2 vouchers per head?


Hi
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There are 4 nephews.
Each has to be given 2 or more vouchers.
If there are x vouchers, these x can be distributed in 120 ways.
We have to find x.
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Why are we assuming that 120 ways to distribute the remaining vouchers, after Mrs Smith has already distributed 2 vouchers per head?


Because 2 vouchers per nephew can be given in 1 way only. You distribute the others in N ways and multiply that by 1 so you will get N ways only.

Imagine a scenario in which you have a packet of 20 candies. There are 4 children to whom you want to distribute these candies in such a way that each child gets at least 2 candies. What will you do? First you will hand over 2 candies each to the 4 children. You have no choice in this.
Then you have 12 candies. Now you have a choice. You can give all 12 to your favourite child, 11 to your favourite and 1 to your second favourite and so on... All the different ways in which you distribute the candies stem from what you do with these 12 candies.

It is the same logic here. How you distribute the 7 leftover vouchers decides the number of different ways in which you can distribute the 15 vouchers.
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Mrs. Smith has been given film vouchers. Each voucher allows the holder to see a film without charge. She decides to distribute them among her four nephews so that each nephew gets at least two vouchers. How many vouchers has Mrs. Smith been given if there are 120 ways that she could distribute the vouchers?

(A) 13
(B) 14
(C) 15
(D) 16
(E) more than 16


given: 4 kids, at least 2 vouchers, 120 ways to distribute them;

\(k_1+k_2+k_3+k_4=vouchers… (k_1'+2)+(k_2+2)+(k_3+2)+(k_4+2)=v… k_1'+k_2+k_3+k_4=v-8\)
\(C(n+r-1,r-1)=120…C(v-8+4-1,4-1)=120…C(v-5,3)=120\)
\(\frac{(v-5)!}{3!(v-5-3)!}=120…\frac{(v-5)!}{(v-8)!}=120•3!…\frac{(v-5)(v-6)(v-7)(v-8)!}{(v-8)!}=720…(v-5)(v-6)(v-7)=720\)
now \((v-5)(v-6)(v-7)\) is equal to three consecutive integers, so, \(v\) must be divisible by 3 and \(v>7\);
test \(v=15…(10)(9)(8)=720\)

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