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# Newbie from Turkey

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23 Jun 2009, 00:59
Hi guys.
I am a civil servant from Turkey. My government will be my sponsor for a masters degree in the US. I graduated from one of the best universities in Turkey with 3.02/4.00. I am planning to be here for a long time

Here is my first question. How can I develop my verbal skills? I made the two prep tests of gmac.
GmatPrep 1 : 690 (q51, v30 or v31 can not remember)
GmatPrep 2 : 700 (q51, v32)
In both tests I made at least 8-10 errors in SC.

I learnt English when I was 11 years old and I am 28 years old now. I can read and understand fluently. I have good listening skills. So I do not make so much mistakes in RC or CR. But I can not make SC problems.

I want to score in gmat 740+ but I do not know how can I do that. Please help.

My second question is that can I have a chance to be admitted by HBS/Wharton/Stanford/Haas/Sloan/Booth/Fuqua??? I am not a leader. I do not have any marvellous achievements. But I have a sponsor and do not need any financial help.

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23 Jun 2009, 04:04
Maliyeci, welcome to GMAT Club.

Your quant abilities are superb, obviously. You scored Q51 on GMATprep two out of two - you are probably about to repeat that in the real test. Your Verbal is your weak point but I'm sure you'll find in this forum enough strategies to overcome this.

However, you can't present yourself to H/S/W and other schools you've mentioned as a non-leader and expect to be admitted solely on the fact that you have sponsor o your studies. Top schools repeat that their process is absolutely "need blind" - they want best candidates regardless of the ability to pay. My experience with Wharton is just like that - nobody ever in the entire admission process sked me anything about funds. With top schools, you don't even have the opportunity to express your ability to fund your study.

This issue could be significant for schools ranked 20th to 50th place, or for schools in Europe, including Oxford and Cambridge. They want to know in advance (even in your application form) who is going to pay and later they want to see the proof of fundings.

You say that you have 3.02/4.00 GPA? Is that official GPA scale in Turkey or you have converted it? I'm asking that because applicants from Europe tend to UNDERstate their GPA due to a linear conversion. Fellow of mine have had some superb GPA, I think it converts to 3.6 or 3.7, but he linearly converted that according to some funny scale in his head and ended up with 2.7. He even wrote an optional essay to "explain" this. Of course, admission commitee of certain top school he applied to, had spotted this and admitted him. Just be carefull about that. Out of curiosity, what is the official GPA scale in Turkey? Is it from 1-10 or some other system?
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23 Jun 2009, 06:03
Thanks Pathfinder.

My GPA is official GPA. My school and some of the good schools in Turkey use 0-4.00 scale, other use 0-100 scale. My GPA is official GPA.

Another information, I want to specialize especially in finance.

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23 Jun 2009, 06:20
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OK, I just wanted to clarify that and I was crious of grading system overthere. Your GPA is decent, it won't get you in but definitely won't ruin your application either.

Is your government ready to sponsor your studies only in US or Europe is in the game too? If they want only US, maybe you should think about some MSc program on some well regarded institution. They will concentrate on your academic background, which is very good in your case, and especially on your quant abilities, which are tremendous, according to your Q51 in GMAT Prep.

That way, you could avoid all leadership and heroic achievements issues and focus on showing them strong academic potential. You could easily (however, take this "easily" with a grain of salt) get admitted to some MSc program on one of the institutions you've listed. If your government is sponsoring you and if you have intention to get back to Turkey, to your current employer, that should be pretty convenient for you.
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23 Jun 2009, 06:38
Pathfinder, I think you are very clever. That's the way I want to do. My government sponsor my masters degree, either in Ms in finance or MBA, either in the US or in Europe. The only restriction is that they can only sponsor good universities. That is to say, e.g. the 20 best in Europe and the 100 best in the US. I want to come back to Turkey and work for my government. I work for finance ministry as a tax auditor. So finance and accounting is my jobs most needed areas. Do you think can I be admitted to MS Finance in Sloan or Wharton or Harvard with a good GMAT? Thanks again.

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24 Jun 2009, 00:18
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Pathfinder, I think you are very clever. That's the way I want to do. My government sponsor my masters degree, either in Ms in finance or MBA, either in the US or in Europe. The only restriction is that they can only sponsor good universities. That is to say, e.g. the 20 best in Europe and the 100 best in the US. I want to come back to Turkey and work for my government. I work for finance ministry as a tax auditor. So finance and accounting is my jobs most needed areas. Do you think can I be admitted to MS Finance in Sloan or Wharton or Harvard with a good GMAT? Thanks again.

You can see this thread that specifically discussed this question: is-my-gmat-score-good-enough-merged-77431.html
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24 Jun 2009, 01:08
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maliyeci wrote:
Pathfinder, I think you are very clever. That's the way I want to do. My government sponsor my masters degree, either in Ms in finance or MBA, either in the US or in Europe. The only restriction is that they can only sponsor good universities. That is to say, e.g. the 20 best in Europe and the 100 best in the US. I want to come back to Turkey and work for my government. I work for finance ministry as a tax auditor. So finance and accounting is my jobs most needed areas. Do you think can I be admitted to MS Finance in Sloan or Wharton or Harvard with a good GMAT? Thanks again.

Thank you for addressing my cleverness , but I am just speaking from my experience - intelligence has nothing with that.

Anyway, you have a very broad set of very attractive options and the toughest part will be shortilisting the programs. For that you might want to look for the oppinion of admission consultants on this forum. Just give them a detailed profile and they will point you to some direction. I've done that and got some pretty useful info.

Yes, I think that you should be competitive for MSc programs at top schools. I cannot tell you specificaly for the schools you mentioned because I don't know the details of their MSc programs. Anyway, explore the MSc programs at top universities, apply to couple of them and I can bet you are going to be admitted to at least one of them.
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24 Jun 2009, 01:18
Thanks BB, I looked at that topic, after you say.

Thanks again pathfinder. After your suggestion, I looked for some MS programs. I found especially, sloan MsFinance and Princeton MsFinance programs very attractive. And I heard some mba programs like booth, wharton and haas are very competitive in finance area.

I will try to develop my verbal skills and try to be admitted to those programs.

Thanks.

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13 Jul 2009, 00:17
This weekend I did 800score.com's first gmat practice. Got a 720 (49Q 40V). I was very sad about quant score but after I saw verbal score I became very happy. So far so good. Hope to take that kind of a verbal in real exam and a quant score in my gmatprep exams :D

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13 Jul 2009, 05:17
Did gmatclub test 25
m25 33 37 89% 73.4075 sec 1250 93%
Did very quick but I need some carefullness.

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13 Aug 2009, 04:38
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I scheduled my gmat exam to sept. 18th

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22 Aug 2009, 08:48
Today I did gmatprep1 second time. After first attempt, a lot time has passed, so I did not notice repeats.
Scored 720 (q51, v35). 2 errors in quant and 11 in verbal. A good score I think. There are 4 weeks left and I think I can reach to 740 or even 750 in this time. Tomorrow I will try gmatprep2. Hope to get a score like this.

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22 Aug 2009, 11:07
maliyeci wrote:
Today I did gmatprep1 second time. After first attempt, a lot time has passed, so I did not notice repeats.
Scored 720 (q51, v35). 2 errors in quant and 11 in verbal. A good score I think. There are 4 weeks left and I think I can reach to 740 or even 750 in this time. Tomorrow I will try gmatprep2. Hope to get a score like this.

Why are you taking two gmatpreps in a row? Do you think something changed significantly over a 24 period?

Save the second gmatprep until 2 weeks or a week before the test to boost your confidence and also give you the final last reality check. Use some other tests such as MGMAT, Kaplan, PR, etc to practice - plenty here: all-gmat-cat-practice-tests-links-prices-reviews-77460.html
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22 Aug 2009, 22:45
You are right. But I thought, if I take this test now, I will have enough time to forget the questions. Because, I am planning to take them on september 16th and 17th, just before the exam on september 18th. As I said, you are right, I will take this test one week later. I will do 800score.com's second test today. Thanks.

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23 Aug 2009, 02:17
Got same on 800score test 2. (720 51q, 35v). What will I do for this verbal

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31 Aug 2009, 05:21
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Did 2 tests on weekend.
Manhattan gmat: My performance was very very bad. 44q 33v and 640. How did it happen, I do not know. The quants were too hard. Verbal had come easy but score was low.
Powerprep: 710 51q(no errors) and 33v. Verbal had come easy but score was low too.

I am loosing my hope to get 740+ after these tests. It seems my score will be around 700-720.

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12 Sep 2009, 03:10
Last 6 days to prepare.
Took gmat prep1 today. Some repeats. But a lot of different questions. 720 51q35v.

Did some unforced errors in quant. But the raw score is good.

In verbal, I feel very good in the exam, my time pace is good. I am doing good on RC and CR (2 errors each) but in SC I am doing very bad. Although, I reduce the options to 2 or 3, I am doing error.

This 6 days, I will study SC most. Planning to finish Manhattan SC second time and doing the document that has 200 gmatprep SC questions.

Hope to increase verbal to 40.

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15 Sep 2009, 05:38
Working for 3-4 days at home. Did gmatprep2 today. 680(51q 31v). I do not want to believe this score. I am studying for weeks over verbal and no improvement!!!

Doing the yellow OG book same time. At this book, I have a good error rate on CR and RC (about %10 percent error rate) But in gmatprep I did so many CR and RC errors (3-4 each). SC is my worst part yet.

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17 Sep 2009, 12:02
It is 11pm here and I am going to take the test tomorrow 9:30 am. Less than 11 hours.

Pray for me

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Good Luck.....Don't carry over with your Prep scores........Stay calm and things will work out your way(Easier said than done). Do post your experience once you are back from the exam.

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