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Our understanding was that she would continue to cover the costs of school enrollment and room and board for the children, which she verbally agreed to pay with the rest of the family.


A) which she verbally agreed to pay with the rest of the family.
B) which she agreed verbally with the rest of the family to pay.
C) of which she agreed verbally with the rest of the family to pay.
D) both of which she verbally agreed to pay with the rest of the family.
E) both of which she agreed to pay with the rest of the family verbally.


Here don't you think which in option A and B is wrongly point only the board for the children?

Originally posted by angel2009 on 23 Feb 2010, 23:40.
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Our understanding was that she would continue to cover the costs of school enrollment and room and board for the children, which she verbally agreed to pay with the rest of the family.


* which she verbally agreed to pay with the rest of the family.
* which she agreed verbally with the rest of the family to pay.
* of which she agreed verbally with the rest of the family to pay.
* both of which she verbally agreed to pay with the rest of the family.
* both of which she agreed to pay with the rest of the family verbally.


Here don't you think which in option A and B is wrongly point only the board for the children?


From the standpoint of finding the correct answer, we work by eliminating wrong answer choices to determine what is left. Since we are forced to keep some verison of "which" in all the answer choices we have to look elsewhere. There is an error with the placement of the modifier "with the rest of the family" and answer choices A, D, and E have an ambiguous meaning about agreeing to pay with the family (did they agree with the family or pay with the family or agree to pay with the family). B & C clearly state that the agreement (to pay) was made with the rest of the family. The difference in B & C is between "which" and "of which". "Of which" is typically used to indentify parts of the group and usually includes an additional word like we see in choices D & E ("BOTH of which"). That leaves us with answer choice B.

Now to the question about using the modifier "which" to refer to the costs of enrollment and room and board. There are exceptions that allow us to skip over a noun to get to the noun we want to modify, but the exceptions don't come up much and they are typically short phrases (Picasso's works of art - you could skip over art). Here the sentence really wants us to skip all the way back to "costs" and ignore a pretty massive space between "which" and "costs" (the noun being modified). I do not believe you would ever see the GMAT use a construction like this.

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Our understanding was that she would continue to cover the costs of school enrollment and room and board for the children, which she verbally agreed to pay with the rest of the family.


A. which she verbally agreed to pay with the rest of the family.
B. which she agreed verbally with the rest of the family to pay.
C. of which she agreed verbally with the rest of the family to pay.
D. both of which she verbally agreed to pay with the rest of the family.
E. both of which she agreed to pay with the rest of the family verbally.




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Our understanding was that she would continue to cover the costs of school enrollment and room and board for the children, which she verbally agreed to pay with the rest of the family.


* which she verbally agreed to pay with the rest of the family.
* which she agreed verbally with the rest of the family to pay.
* of which she agreed verbally with the rest of the family to pay.
* both of which she verbally agreed to pay with the rest of the family.
* both of which she agreed to pay with the rest of the family verbally.

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New post 24 Feb 2010, 00:35
i dont see an issue with A...

what's the OA?

here which covers both "enrollment" and "room & board." i would say "for the children" is a short modifier, and would be one of the few exceptions where you can use which following a short prepositional phrase... (this is my guess, correct me if im wrong please...)

it's kinda silly to say the following: ... x and y, which she agree, for the children...

it's clearer to say: ... x and y for the children, which she agree...



i guess i would naturally be inclined to pick D though... but concision would force me to pick A.
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New post 24 Feb 2010, 08:04
angel2009 wrote:
Here don't you think which in option A and B is wrongly point only the board for the children?


which refers to all the costs.

IMO B.
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New post 24 Feb 2010, 08:18
After debating between A & D, I would go with A

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New post 24 Feb 2010, 10:18
I happend to think that the OA was d.

1st clue: which modifies the children..

2nd clue: the placement of verbally.
I elminated all b,c,e.

but as soon as I carefully look on the answer options, I realized that the sentence won't make any sense, if which refers to children so logically 'which' modifies the costs as it is stated above.
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New post 26 Feb 2010, 10:52
I'm not an expert, but according to Manhattan SC "WHICH" must refer to a noun immediately preceding it. "THAT" sometimes can be used in cases adalfu discussed, not "WHICH".
So, my answer is D.
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I'm not an expert, but according to Manhattan SC "WHICH" must refer to a noun immediately preceding it. "THAT" sometimes can be used in cases adalfu discussed, not "WHICH".
So, my answer is D.


There are some exception to the which-must-follow-noun rule
e.g., short modifiers and "mission-critical" modifiers in which you can still have the which following the end of the modifier phrase... i thought this was in the Advanced sections of the MGMAT SC book... correct me if im wrong (i don't have the book w/ me at work).
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What is the source? (Please, give those who were wrong a chance to think that it is not their fault! :-D )
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Can anyone comment on why/how option (B) is correct in the given sentence.
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I don't want to give away the answer to this question until people have had a chance to take a look at it, but I'd like to lead the discussion down a path:

We always want to start off with the most straight-forward grammatical split on SC. If you've been following along in the various discussions about modifiers, you should be able to very quickly cross off a few answers for a clear reason. Any takers? (Hint: noun modifiers!)
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IMO D.
A and B uses 'which' just after children, which i feel is not correct.
out of C,D and E.
D seems grammatically correct.
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A. which she verbally agreed to pay with the rest of the family.
Incorrect: Incorrect use of Which. Which refers to immediate noun it "Touches".
B. which she agreed verbally with the rest of the family to pay.
Incorrect: Same as A.
C. of which she agreed verbally with the rest of the family to pay.
Incorrect: The use of "Of which" is not justified. It is used better in situations such as " Some of which"..
D. both of which she verbally agreed to pay with the rest of the family.
Correct: Here verbally is correctly modifying "agreed".
E. both of which she agreed to pay with the rest of the family verbally.
Incorrect: The misplacement of Verbally obscures the meaning.
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Our understanding was that she would continue to cover the costs of school enrollment and room and board for the children, which she verbally agreed to pay with the rest of the family.


A. which she verbally agreed to pay with the rest of the family.
B. which she agreed verbally with the rest of the family to pay.
C. of which she agreed verbally with the rest of the family to pay.
D. both of which she verbally agreed to pay with the rest of the family.
E. both of which she agreed to pay with the rest of the family verbally.




Please provide your thought process for a better discussion.



I'd also go with D. 'which' is ambiguous in A and B. 'of which' is grammatically incorrect in C. 'verbally' at the end of the sentence in E distorts meaning.
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BKimball wrote:
I don't want to give away the answer to this question until people have had a chance to take a look at it, but I'd like to lead the discussion down a path:

We always want to start off with the most straight-forward grammatical split on SC. If you've been following along in the various discussions about modifiers, you should be able to very quickly cross off A and B for a clear reason. Any takers? (Hint: noun modifiers!)



BKimball:

What do u mean by:

We always want to start off with the most straight-forward grammatical split on SC.
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A. which she verbally agreed to pay with the rest of the family - which here is incorrect as it does not touch a noun.
B. which she agreed verbally with the rest of the family to pay -which here is incorrect as it does not touch a noun.
C. of which she agreed verbally with the rest of the family to pay - I don't know how to eliminate this, but "of which" does not seem to be correct.
D. both of which she verbally agreed to pay with the rest of the family - correct answer. logical construction
E. both of which she agreed to pay with the rest of the family verbally - the last part states she paid verbally.
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OA is not D according to OE. I will post OA after more discussion.
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Alright! We've got some great discussion going here! Glad we took the bait! :-)

Here's the thing about noun modifiers. As much as we say that a noun modifier must touch the noun it is modifying, there is an exception to this rule. For example:

"The work of art, which is hanging on the wall, was painted by Picasso." --> Here, "which is hanging on the wall" correctly modifies the "work."

How is that possible?

The phrase "of art" is a prepositional phrase that also modifies the "work." Prepositional phrases can stand between nouns and their modifiers.

Other examples:

"The team of twelve, which had come in first place last year, sulked at the defeat."
"The time of day, which can be discerned using a sun dial, is based on the rotation of the Earth."

If we go back to the example above, we see that "of school enrollment and room and board for the children" is all modifying the "costs" and thus the ",which..." modifier is acceptable.

I know scheol knows the answer, and it looks like praveenism is onto something. How can we then rule out other answers?

@ puneetpratik: By "start off with the most straight-forward grammatical split" I mean that if there are modifier issues, pronoun issues, concision issues, and subject-verb issues in a given SC problem, you should start off with the one that is the most clear. For most people, that would be subject-verb agreement. We each need to know where we feel most comfortable.
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