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Please clear my doubts regarding "comma+and" 22 Nov 2018, 03:06
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Hello all,can anyone clear my doubts regarding comma+and.I shall be highly thankful.

1)I like playing and sleeping.

Here sleeping is not independent clause as i like(subject and verb ) has been taken common.Right?

If i take it as list, and we know we need ,and before list

I like playing ,and sleeping.

but then sleeping is not independent clause

so how to resolve this ambiguity?

2)I like playing and i like sleeping. This is incorrect because i cannot connect two independent clauses by and without comma.

So it should be

I like playing , and i like sleeping

3)I like playing,sleeping,and eating. Correct as we need comma before and of last element of list .
Right?

4)I like apples and bananas, smoothies and shakes , and pizza,pasta ,and burgers.

So here we have 3 lists
1)apples and bananas
2) smoothies and shakes
3) pizza,pasta ,and burgers

SO if i take apples and bananas as list and use , before the last element i.e. banana, how will the sentence structure read?

I like apples ,and bananas, smoothies ,and shakes, and pizza,pasta ,and burgers.

here apples will be with bananas or it will be bananas,smoothies and shakes?

5)Peter O'Toole was nominated for his first Oscar in 1962, and his eighth in 2006.

here if i go by and + comma logic

since his eighth in 2006 lacks verb so it cant be a clause.

So it means this is list of 2 things

so his eight is itself something?

How can was nominated for apply to his eight here as it is a list.

How far can we take things common?

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A few golden conventions of the listing comma

A listing comma is used only there are three or more items to a list. We need not bother about a listing comma when there are only two factors.
if there are only two items in a list, don't use a comma to separate the list items If there are more than two items in the list, then those following US convention use a comma before the conjunction (usually and or)


• Bread, milk, and cheese

Those following UK conventions do not use a comma.

• Bread, milk,and cheese


Look at this sentence involving three ICs.
Lisa speaks French, Juliet speaks Italian, and I speak Spanish.

This is a legitimate British usage with no comma before the last clause "I speak English" But GMAT may insist on the use of the comma. However, hardly any official question is rejected on this count by the GMAC because punctuation is not in the hierarchy of GMAT's priorities.
The only exception is that when the list contains only two short clauses, it may be acceptable to GMAT to ignore the comma before the second clause.
Now on to your choices
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I like playing and sleeping. This is a conjunction of just
two gerunds, not three. Therefore, a comma is not required.

I like playing, and I like sleeping --- You do not need the comma because these are two short sentences.
3) I like playing, sleeping, and eating. Correct, as we need a comma before and of the last element of the list.Right? Yes, correct

4. I like apples, and bananas, smoothies, and shakes, and pizza, pasta, and burgers. -- This is incorrect.

Since there are three pairs and too many 'ands' together with 'commas', the best manias explaining this will be
4. I like apples and bananas; smoothies, and shakes; and pizza, pasta, and burgers.
You can now conveniently drop the comma in the first two lists, since them, both are only two-items list. In the third one, of course, we may have to use the 'comma +and."

5) Peter O'Toole was nominated for his first Oscar in 1962 and his eighth in 2006.
Parse the above sentence as below
Peter O'Toole was nominated for (his first Oscar in 1962 and his eighth in 2006. - This is a simple sentence with just one main clause with a prepositional phrase.
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Above all, please remember this rule. Coordinating conjunctions may join just two words, two phrases, two verbs, two predicates, or even two clauses. The only condition is that both the compared ones should be parallel in stricture and logic. Please try to forget lists, conjunctions, commas, etc. as one amalgam.

I have tried as much as possible to address your concerns. Some may not be necessary; you may just ignore those irrelevant things for the sake of others who may have a use of it.
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A few golden conventions of the listing comma

A listing comma is used only there are three or more items to a list. We need not bother about a listing comma when there are only two factors.
if there are only two items in a list, don't use a comma to separate the list items If there are more than two items in the list, then those following US convention use a comma before the conjunction (usually and or)


• Bread, milk, and cheese

Those following UK conventions do not use a comma.

• Bread, milk,and cheese


Look at this sentence involving three ICs.
Lisa speaks French, Juliet speaks Italian, and I speak Spanish.

This is a legitimate British usage with no comma before the last clause "I speak English" But GMAT may insist on the use of the comma. However, hardly any official question is rejected on this count by the GMAC because punctuation is not in the hierarchy of GMAT's priorities.
The only exception is that when the list contains only two short clauses, it may be acceptable to GMAT to ignore the comma before the second clause.
Now on to your choices


Above all, please remember this rule. Coordinating conjunctions may join just two words, two phrases, two verbs, two predicates, or even two clauses. The only condition is that both the compared ones should be parallel in stricture and logic. Please try to forget lists, conjunctions, commas, etc. as one amalgam.

I have tried as much as possible to address your concerns. Some may not be necessary; you may just ignore those irrelevant things for the sake of others who may have a use of it.
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thanks a lot sir,really appreciate :)

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