What is the probability that a student randomly selected from a class

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What is the probability that a student randomly selected from a class of 60 students will be a male who has brown hair?

(1) One-half of the students have brown hair.
(2) One-third of the students are males.

Narenn · Accepted Answer

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IanStewart · Answer

It's that they aren't 'independent events' - there's only one 'event' in the question, since we are only picking one student.

From the definition of probability, the probability of selecting a male with brown hair must be equal to:

(the number of males with brown hair) / (total number of students)

We know we have 60 students, so we just need to find the number of males with brown hair. This is really a Venn diagram question disguised as a probability question. We have 30 students with brown hair, and 20 males, but we don't know how these groups overlap. The people with brown hair might all be female, in which case we have 0 males with brown hair, or all 20 males could have brown hair, to take just the two extreme possibilities. So while we can find that the answer is somewhere between 0 and 1/3, we can't determine it exactly.

Bunuel · Answer

We have four goups of students:
M(b) - Males with brown hairs;
M(n) - Males with non-brown hairs;
F(b) - Females with brown hairs;
F(n) - Females with non-brown hairs;

\frac{M(b)}{M(b)+M(n)+F(b)+F(n)}=\frac{M(b)}{60}=?

(1)  \frac{M(b)+F(b)}{M(b)+M(n)+F(b)+F(n)}=\frac{1}{2}  -->  M(b)+F(b)=M(n)+F(n) . -->  \frac{M(b)}{M(b)+F(b)+M(b)+F(b)}=\frac{M(b)}{2M(b)+2F(b)}=\frac{M(b)}{60}  --> Not sufficient.

(2)  \frac{M(b)+M(n)}{M(b)+M(n)+F(b)+F(n)}=\frac{1}{3}  -->  2M(b)+2M(n)=F(b)+F(n)  -->  \frac{M(b)}{M(b)+M(n)+2M(b)+2M(n)}=\frac{M(b)}{3M(b)+3M(n)}=\frac{M(b)}{60} . Not sufficient.

(1)+(2) Basically we have two equations with three variables. We can not express variables so that to get the numerical value of the fraction asked. Not sufficient.

Answer: E.

banerjeea_98 · Answer

"E" for me.....even after combining.....the 20 mals student might belong entirely to the gp of 30 brown hair students or may be 10, 5...etc....so insuff.

Samarth0711 · Answer

What is the probability that a student randomly selected from a class of 60 students will
be a male who has brown hair?
(1) One-half of the students have brown hair.
(2) One-third of the students are males.

Is'nt this straightforward independant events probability:
(1/2)* (1/3) ??

That would get the answer as (C) but the correct answer is given as (E) ??
I know there's something really fundamental I am missing here!?

frank1 · Answer

Spoiler of this question seems to be
well when we say 1/3 of 60 ie 20 are boys....it is actually not that all those 20 have brown hair....so we actually dont know actual numbers of boys who have brown hair....so E
(but i confess i was fooled at first glance...)

rmohan1234 · Answer

I think the answer should be (C). Please see the following approach and explain the flaw if possible:

I agree that "Male intersection Brown" can be anywhere between 0 and 20. Class is 60.  This leads to probability being between 0 and 1/3. 
But I disagree that we can NOT answer the question. The Answer should be 1/6. If we take the as mentioned by colleagues above, isn't the the entire concept of probability is lost? 
Also, being male and brown hair are independent. When a person is born, BOTH of these traits are TOTALLY independent of each other.

Probability is a concept. Not a certainty, or a guarantee. It is only a likelihood. 
Let me try and explain what I am saying.
Lets take a simple standard question for which there is no confusion.
# What is the Prob of getting all heads if I toss a coin 3 times.
Ans: We take sample space where we have 8 options. Favourable is 1. Answer is that probability is 1/8.

This means 1 out of 8 try's shall give us 1 success (3 Heads).

NOW

If I toss a coin 40 times can we say WE SHALL DEFINITELY GET 5 SUCCESSES ?

Obviously NO. But possible & likely.

If I toss a coin 40 times can we say WE SHALL DEFINITELY GET 0 SUCCESSES ?

Obviously NO. But possible.

If I toss a coin 40 times can we say WE SHALL DEFINITELY GET 40 SUCCESSES ?

Obviously NO. But possible.

So do we conclude that probability can be anywhere between 0 and 1. 
As such, we do not have enough data to answer the question ?  But, We say the probability is 1/8

I think we need to approach the Q39 in same way.

Any insights to refute/question my thinking process will be highly appreciated!

MathRevolution · Answer

What is the probability that a student randomly selected from a class of 60 students will be a male who has brown hair?

(1) One-half of the students have brown hair.
(2) One-third of the students are males.

In the original condition, the question is frequently given in the Gmat Math test, which is "2 by 2" que like the table below.

Attachment:

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In the above, there are 4 variables((a,b,c,d), and 1 equation(a+b+c+d=60), which should match with the number equations. So you need 3 more equations. For 1) 1 equation, for 2) 1 equation, which is likely make E the answer.
When 1) & 2), you cannot find the value of b in a unique way from a+b=30, b+d=20, which is not sufficient. Therefore, the answer is E.

-> For cases where we need 1 more equation, such as original conditions with “1 variable”, or “2 variables and 1 equation”, or “3 variables and 2 equations”, we have 1 equation each in both 1) and 2). Therefore, there is 59 % chance that D is the answer, while A or B has 38% chance and C or E has 3% chance. Since D is most likely to be the answer using 1) and 2) separately according to DS definition. Obviously there may be cases where the answer is A, B, C or E.

BrentGMATPrepNow · Answer

Here's a step-by-step approach using the  Double Matrix method .

Here, we have a population of students, and the two characteristics are: 
- male or female
- has brown hair or doesn't have brown hair.

There are 60 students altogether, so we can set up our diagram as follows:
 https://s16.postimg.cc/xs2j2hjb5/stu1.jpg

Target question :    What is the probability that a student randomly selected from a class of 60 students will be a male who has brown hair?   
So, we must determine how many of the 60 students are males with brown hair. Let's place a STAR in the box that represents this information:
 https://s16.postimg.cc/65zrhszy9/stu2.jpg

Statement 1 : one-half of the students have brown hair.   
So, 30 of the students have brown hair, which means the remaining 30 students do NOT have brown hair. 
When we add this information to our diagram, we get:
 https://s16.postimg.cc/54zisoiyp/stu3.jpg 
Do we now have enough information to determine the number in the starred box? No.
So, statement 1 is NOT SUFFICIENT

Statement 2 : one-third of the students are males  
So, 20 of the students are males, which means the remaining 40 students are NOT males. 
When we add this information to our diagram, we get:
 https://s16.postimg.cc/m6scurxtt/stu4.jpg 
Do we now have enough information to determine the number in the starred box? No.
So, statement 2 is NOT SUFFICIENT

Statements 1 and 2 combined    
Combining the information, we get: 
 https://s16.postimg.cc/bl8hirri9/stu5.jpg 
Do we now have enough information to determine the number in the starred box? No. Consider these two conflicting cases:

case a : 
 https://s16.postimg.cc/dr2sd9uyp/stu6.jpg 
Here,  0  of the 60 students are males with brown hair, so  P(selected student is male with brown hair) = 0/60

case b : 
 https://s16.postimg.cc/3v1pdmp6p/stu7.jpg 
Here,  5  of the 60 students are males with brown hair, so  P(selected student is male with brown hair) = 5/60

Since we cannot answer the  target question  with certainty, the combined statements are NOT SUFFICIENT

Answer:  E

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SuyashA · Answer

Hi,

How to identify whether a double matrix method can be used in a problem?

Thanks.

BrentGMATPrepNow · Answer

The Double Matrix Method can be used for most questions featuring a population in which each member has two characteristics associated with it (aka overlapping sets questions).

Here, we have a population of students, and the two characteristics are: 
- male or female
- has brown hair or doesn't have brown hair

Cheers,
Brent

CrackverbalGMAT · Answer

Solution:

The information provided is that there are 60 students.
A student is randomly selected.
We have to calculate the probability of the student being a male with brown hair.

St(1)- One-half of the students have brown hair. 
We have no information about the female students. (Insufficient) -Eliminate A,D-

St(2)- One-third of the students are males. 
We have no information about the students with brown hair. Once again (insufficient) - Eliminate B-

Combining both, 
We have 1/3rd of 60 which is 20 students being male from St(2) and 1/2 or 30 of the students from among 60 with brown hair.
These 30 students can be male or female.
So,the number of males with brown hair cannot be derived.
 (Insufficient)   (option e)
 
  Devmitra Sen
GMAT SME

hassan233 · Answer

The answers here are pretty confusing and can be simplified.
P(A and B) = P(A) + P(B) - P(A or B)
From statement 1 and 2, we know P(A) and P(B) but not  P(A or B) 
We do not know the P(A or B) because in order to know P(A or B) we need to the number of people who have brown hair but are not male + people who are male but do not have brown hair + people who are both male and brown-haired.
In the question stem, this information is abstracted from us, we are given the birds-eye view of the "total" but not the breakdown.
Since we are not told that these events are mutually exclusive or not, we can assume the worst case that they are not mutually exclusive. In this case, we there is no way to find P(A or B) with the given information.

Shadwal · Answer

14 Aug 2021, 21:10
Hi,

The correct answer should be (E) and not (C).

We cannot consider the events independent and say that P(male with brown hair) = P(male) x P(brown hair) because  we do not know what is the likelihood of a male to have brown hair compared to a female.

I had given an incorrect example before:

Let's say the question said,
 What is the probability of selecting a capital boy from a set of 4 students?
1. 50% of students are boys
2. 50% of students are capital

Now, if we combine the two statements, we know that 50% of students are boys and 50% of students are capital.
Possible cases:
Case A: bbGG - 1 possibility
Case B: BBgg - 1 possibility
Case C: BbGg - 4 possibilities (since the students are different entities)
Overall 1+1+4 = 6 possible ways in which out of 4 students, 50% are boys and 50% are capital.

Probability of selecting a capital boy
= P(Case A)xP(capital B given case A) + P(Case B)xP(capital B given case B) + P(Case C)x(capital B given case C)
=1/6x0 + 1/6x1/2 + 4/6x1/4
=0 + 1/12 + 1/6
=1/4
i.e. P(boys)xP(capital)
 
Here, I had made the assumption that a boy is as likely to be capital as a girl, even though the question did not explicitly say so. If a boy was twice as likely to be capital as a girl, the probability of cases A & B to occur (bbGG vs BBgg) wouldn't be the same. Similarly, in the original question, we should not assume that a male student is as likely to have brown hair as a female student.

It is different from tossing two fair coins because in that case, we know that the probability of getting HH is same as the probability of getting HL

Guest96 · Answer

Bunuel

This question is also available in GMATPrep Practice Exam 4. I think we can add it as a source (tag).

Bunuel · Answer

Added the tag. Thank you!

Rickooreoisb · Answer

Learning point

In the above question you cannot be P(A and B) as P(A) * P(B) because they are not independent event. However, this can be solved when they are independent event. Try question - https://gmatclub.com/forum/if-event-a-a ... 90932.html

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