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Hi everyone,

I don't understand the following challenge question in my Princeton Review Cracking the GMAT book. I looked at the solution in the back, but the explanation is vague or not quite step by step. I personally felt like this question was missing some information in order for me to actually solve it. Please let me know your thoughts.

A device calculates the worth of gem stones based on quality such that a gem with a quality rating of q-1 is worth 5 times more than a gem with a quality rating of q. According to this device, the worth of a gem with a quality rating of p-r is how many times greater than that of a gem with a rating of p?

(A) p^5 - r^5
(B) r^5
(C) (p-r)^5
(D) 5^(p-r)
(E) 5r

The correct answer is D, but not sure how I would start to establish a pattern in order to even solve the question. I know I'm given that
q-1 = 5q
and I'm supposed to use solely that information?

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Hi everyone,

I don't understand the following challenge question in my Princeton Review Cracking the GMAT book. I looked at the solution in the back, but the explanation is vague or not quite step by step. I personally felt like this question was missing some information in order for me to actually solve it. Please let me know your thoughts.

A device calculates the worth of gem stones based on quality such that a gem with a quality rating of q-1 is worth 5 times more than a gem with a quality rating of q. According to this device, the worth of a gem with a quality rating of p-r is how many times greater than that of a gem with a rating of p?

(A) p^5 - r^5
(B) r^5
(C) (p-r)^5
(D) 5^(p-r)
(E) 5r

The correct answer is D, but not sure how I would start to establish a pattern in order to even solve the question. I know I'm given that
q-1 = 5q
and I'm supposed to use solely that information?

Appreciate your support.
Consider 3 gems p p-1 p-2. Now using information you will see than P-2 is costlier than P-1 by 5 times P-1 is costlier than P by 5 times. So that makes P-2 costlier by 25 times compared to P. And only D satisfies.


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The worth of that rated q-1 is 5 times more than that rated q. The worth of that rated q-2 is 5 times or 5 ^1 times more than that rated q-1 and so 5*5 = 5^2 times more than that rated q. and so on. So generalizing we have the worth of that rated p-r is 5^r times more than that rated p.

I do not see the answer in the choices.
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A device calculates the worth of gem stones based on quality such that a gem with a quality rating of q - 1 is worth 5 times more than a gem with a quality rating of q. According to this device, the worth of a gem with a quality rating of p - r is how many times greater than that of a gem with a rating of p?

(A) \(p^5-r^5\)
(B) \(r^5\)
(C) \((p-r)^5\)
(D) \(5^{(p-r)}\)
(E) \(5r\)

Responding to a pm:

Rating q ................. Worth w
Rating q - 1 ........... Worth 5w (5 times previous worth)
Rating q - 2 ........... Worth 5*5w (5 times previous worth)
Rating q - 3 ........... Worth 5*5*5w (5 times previous worth)
...
Hence if rating is (q - r), Worth = (5^r) * w

Answer should be \(5^r\).
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Hello Everyone
What should be Answer here , I am confused , everyone gave sure different answer which one is right , Also please explain the answer

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A device calculates the worth of gem stones based on quality such that a gem with a quality rating of q - 1 is worth 5 times more than a gem with a quality rating of q. According to this device, the worth of a gem with a quality rating of p - r is how many times greater than that of a gem with a rating of p?

(A) \(p^5-r^5\)
(B) \(r^5\)
(C) \((p-r)^5\)
(D) \(5^{(p-r)}\)
(E) \(5r\)

Since a gem with a quality rating of q - 1 is worth 5 times as much as a gem with a quality rating of q, then a gem with a rating of p - 1 is also worth 5 times as much as a gem with a quality rating of p. Furthermore, a gem with a rating of p - 2 will be worth 5 x 5 = 5^2 times as much, one with a rating of p - 3 will be worth 5 x 5 x 5 = 5^3 times as much, and so on. Therefore, one with a rating p - r will be worth 5^r times as much as one with a rating of p.

Answer: 5^r
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IMO the challenge here is simply identifying/establishing the pattern. The way I think about it is:

q =
q - 1 = 5q
q - 2 = 5(q - 1) --> which is the same as saying 5(5q) or 25q
q - 3 = 5(q - 2) --> which is the same as saying 5(5)(5q) or 125q
...and so on and so forth

So now looking at what the question is asking for ((p - r) is what multiple of p), we can substitute p in the above for q and select any number for r (ideally 1, 2 or 3 because we've already broken out above):

p =
p - 1 = 5p --> r = 1
p - 2 = 5(p - 1) --> which is the same as saying 5(5p) or 25p; here r = 2
p - 3 = 5(p - 2) --> which is the same as saying 5(5)5p or 125p; here r = 3

So as we increase r by 1, our multiple of 5 increases by 1 (or in variable terms r). Looking at our answer choices, 5^r fits solution
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Hey bunuel,

I am having problem with understanding the wording of this question. The question mentions "....is worth 5 times MORE...". Usually in questions I've encountered, when something is 5 times more than x, it is usually considered 6x.
And when something is "5 times of x", it is considered as 5x.

In the question,
So in this question:

If q rating corresponds to $x, (q-1) rating should be $6x.
If q-1 rating corresponds to $6x, (q-2) rating should be $6x+6x*5 = 6^2*x
And so on,

So, q-r rating should cost 6^r*x

Then the question asks, "....is how many times greater than that of a gem with a rating of p...".

Shouldn't the answer be ((6^r)x-x)/x = (6^r)-1 ?

I mean the answer would be perfect if it said "... is worth 5 times the price" or if it asked "....is how many times the price of a gem with rating p". But it asks how many times more it is.

Thoughts ?­
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Hey bunuel,

I am having problem with understanding the wording of this question. The question mentions "....is worth 5 times MORE...". Usually in questions I've encountered, when something is 5 times more than x, it is usually considered 6x.
And when something is "5 times of x", it is considered as 5x.

In the question,
So in this question:

If q rating corresponds to $x, (q-1) rating should be $6x.
If q-1 rating corresponds to $6x, (q-2) rating should be $6x+6x*5 = 6^2*x
And so on,

So, q-r rating should cost 6^r*x

Then the question asks, "....is how many times greater than that of a gem with a rating of p...".

Shouldn't the answer be ((6^r)x-x)/x = (6^r)-1 ?

I mean the answer would be perfect if it said "... is worth 5 times the price" or if it asked "....is how many times the price of a gem with rating p". But it asks how many times more it is.

Thoughts ?
­I have the same question. "It is worth 5 times more" shouldn't mean 6 times? I could answer the Q correctly after looking at the answer choices, but this phrases give me a bit of confusion.
Was the difference between "A it is worth 5 times B" and "A it is worth 5 times more than B"?­
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Hey bunuel,

I am having problem with understanding the wording of this question. The question mentions "....is worth 5 times MORE...". Usually in questions I've encountered, when something is 5 times more than x, it is usually considered 6x.
And when something is "5 times of x", it is considered as 5x.

In the question,
So in this question:

If q rating corresponds to $x, (q-1) rating should be $6x.
If q-1 rating corresponds to $6x, (q-2) rating should be $6x+6x*5 = 6^2*x
And so on,

So, q-r rating should cost 6^r*x

Then the question asks, "....is how many times greater than that of a gem with a rating of p...".

Shouldn't the answer be ((6^r)x-x)/x = (6^r)-1 ?

I mean the answer would be perfect if it said "... is worth 5 times the price" or if it asked "....is how many times the price of a gem with rating p". But it asks how many times more it is.

Thoughts ?
­I have the same question. "It is worth 5 times more" shouldn't mean 6 times? I could answer the Q correctly after looking at the answer choices, but this phrases give me a bit of confusion.
Was the difference between "A it is worth 5 times B" and "A it is worth 5 times more than B"?­
­
Both 5 times more and 5 times as many mean the same thing.

Here is my post from another topic addressing this issue:

Agree that it's confusing but check below:

Merriam Webster's Dictionary of English Usage:

    The argument in this case is that times more (or times larger, times stronger, times brighter, etc.) is ambiguous, so that "He has five times more money than you" can be misunderstood as meaning "He has six times as much money as you." It is, in fact, possible to misunderstand times more in this way, but it takes a good deal of effort. If you have $100, five times that is $500, which means that "five times more than $100" can mean (the commentators claim) "$500 more than $100," which equals "$600," which equals "six times as much as $100." The commentators regard this as a serious ambiguity, and they advise you to avoid it by always saying "times as much" instead of "times more." Here again, it seems that they are paying homage to mathematics at the expense of language. The fact is that "five times more" and "five times as much" are idiomatic phrases which have - and are understood to have - exactly the same meaning.

    The "ambiguity" of times more is imaginary: in the world of actual speech and writing, the meaning of times more is clear and unequivocal. It is an idiom that has existed in our language for more than four centuries, and there is no real reason to avoid its use.

More on this here.

Also, check the following posts by Ianstewart:

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Hi, I have an issue with the phrase "greater than"

If I say X is twice of Y, then it should mean --> X = 2Y
If I say X is two times greater than Y, shouldn't it mean --> X = 3Y

There seems to be some confusion about this earlier in this thread. The phrase "X is 2 times greater than Y" simply means that X = 2Y. It's understandable that this might seem confusing, because if instead we say "X is 200% greater than Y" we definitely mean that X = 3Y, but this all boils down to idiomatic usage in English. If you think of smaller numbers, it might be clear this is how the phrase is used in the language (there's a reason you've never heard anyone say "X is 1 times greater than Y" to mean that X is twice as big as Y), and it's also what the dictionary says, as quoted at this link:

https://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/61774.html

To summarize, I think the actual wording on the GMAT will always use "times as many" (at least in quant section), so you should not worry about it.­
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Hey bunuel,

I am having problem with understanding the wording of this question. The question mentions "....is worth 5 times MORE...". Usually in questions I've encountered, when something is 5 times more than x, it is usually considered 6x.
And when something is "5 times of x", it is considered as 5x.

In the question,
So in this question:

If q rating corresponds to $x, (q-1) rating should be $6x.
If q-1 rating corresponds to $6x, (q-2) rating should be $6x+6x*5 = 6^2*x
And so on,

So, q-r rating should cost 6^r*x

Then the question asks, "....is how many times greater than that of a gem with a rating of p...".

Shouldn't the answer be ((6^r)x-x)/x = (6^r)-1 ?

I mean the answer would be perfect if it said "... is worth 5 times the price" or if it asked "....is how many times the price of a gem with rating p". But it asks how many times more it is.

Thoughts ?
­I have the same question. "It is worth 5 times more" shouldn't mean 6 times? I could answer the Q correctly after looking at the answer choices, but this phrases give me a bit of confusion.
Was the difference between "A it is worth 5 times B" and "A it is worth 5 times more than B"?­
­
Both 5 times more and 5 times as many mean the same thing.

Here is my post from another topic addressing this issue:

Agree that it's confusing but check below:

Merriam Webster's Dictionary of English Usage:

    The argument in this case is that times more (or times larger, times stronger, times brighter, etc.) is ambiguous, so that "He has five times more money than you" can be misunderstood as meaning "He has six times as much money as you." It is, in fact, possible to misunderstand times more in this way, but it takes a good deal of effort. If you have $100, five times that is $500, which means that "five times more than $100" can mean (the commentators claim) "$500 more than $100," which equals "$600," which equals "six times as much as $100." The commentators regard this as a serious ambiguity, and they advise you to avoid it by always saying "times as much" instead of "times more." Here again, it seems that they are paying homage to mathematics at the expense of language. The fact is that "five times more" and "five times as much" are idiomatic phrases which have - and are understood to have - exactly the same meaning.

    The "ambiguity" of times more is imaginary: in the world of actual speech and writing, the meaning of times more is clear and unequivocal. It is an idiom that has existed in our language for more than four centuries, and there is no real reason to avoid its use.


Also, check the following posts by Ianstewart:

IanStewart
ethanhunt007

Hi, I have an issue with the phrase "greater than"

If I say X is twice of Y, then it should mean --> X = 2Y
If I say X is two times greater than Y, shouldn't it mean --> X = 3Y

There seems to be some confusion about this earlier in this thread. The phrase "X is 2 times greater than Y" simply means that X = 2Y. It's understandable that this might seem confusing, because if instead we say "X is 200% greater than Y" we definitely mean that X = 3Y, but this all boils down to idiomatic usage in English. If you think of smaller numbers, it might be clear this is how the phrase is used in the language (there's a reason you've never heard anyone say "X is 1 times greater than Y" to mean that X is twice as big as Y), and it's also what the dictionary says, as quoted at this link:


To summarize, I think the actual wording on the GMAT will always use "times as many" (at least in quant section), so you should not worry about it.­
­
Thanks Bunuel for your fast response! I thought there was an ambiguity but now it is clear to me that is an idiom. ­
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