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# Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools w/ Low GMAT or Low GPA

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27 Oct 2010, 10:49
ariel wrote:
pddm wrote:
Thanks 'Method'.
Yes...around 30-50.
I was aiming at:
1) UC Irvine( Merage): rank 36
2) UC Davis: rank 42
3) ASU(WP Carey): rank 27
4) UC San Deigo (unranked? )
5) USC Marshall( don't think I'll apply now).

However, mean scores of all the above schools are between 670-690. So, I was a bit apprehensive in applying.
Further I belong to Indian/Female/IT category which is quite overrepresented.
What do you suggest? Shall I still go ahead and apply?

pddm, why don't you retake? I think it's going to do you a world of good in your case. What is your breakdown like and what are you struggling with? We're here to help.

630( Q46, V 31, AWA 6 )

Clearly i was struggling with verbal, although my Q isn't that great too.
I am having second thoughts about retake , but I'm afraid that my score might not improve. Frankly when I was giving GMAT, i was pretty confident of making 680+, as I was getting that much in all my mock tests. I don't know where I went wrong. I had gone through Manhattan SC guide multiple times and also atleast 25% of 1000 SC and I was quite okay with it. The irony is, in the actual GMAT, I knew I had stumbled down in Q, but verbal, I thought was going pretty well, until I saw my score!
So, the whole point is I don't know where and how to improve. I had not taken MGMAT tests, may be that's one place I can do some work.

Second point is If I retake GMAT, I should take within a month(including TOEFL) in order to make to the second round deadlines, which are as early as Dec 1st.

Do you think I have good chances if I retake and score 680+ ( My profile in brief: 2 yrs WE, 7.13/10 GPA, Indian Female IT). What are the chances of funding in such case?

Thanks a lot.
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27 Oct 2010, 12:41
pddm wrote:
ariel wrote:
pddm wrote:
Thanks 'Method'.
Yes...around 30-50.
I was aiming at:
1) UC Irvine( Merage): rank 36
2) UC Davis: rank 42
3) ASU(WP Carey): rank 27
4) UC San Deigo (unranked? )
5) USC Marshall( don't think I'll apply now).

However, mean scores of all the above schools are between 670-690. So, I was a bit apprehensive in applying.
Further I belong to Indian/Female/IT category which is quite overrepresented.
What do you suggest? Shall I still go ahead and apply?

pddm, why don't you retake? I think it's going to do you a world of good in your case. What is your breakdown like and what are you struggling with? We're here to help.

630( Q46, V 31, AWA 6 )

Clearly i was struggling with verbal, although my Q isn't that great too.
I am having second thoughts about retake , but I'm afraid that my score might not improve. Frankly when I was giving GMAT, i was pretty confident of making 680+, as I was getting that much in all my mock tests. I don't know where I went wrong. I had gone through Manhattan SC guide multiple times and also atleast 25% of 1000 SC and I was quite okay with it. The irony is, in the actual GMAT, I knew I had stumbled down in Q, but verbal, I thought was going pretty well, until I saw my score!
So, the whole point is I don't know where and how to improve. I had not taken MGMAT tests, may be that's one place I can do some work.

Second point is If I retake GMAT, I should take within a month(including TOEFL) in order to make to the second round deadlines, which are as early as Dec 1st.

Do you think I have good chances if I retake and score 680+ ( My profile in brief: 2 yrs WE, 7.13/10 GPA, Indian Female IT). What are the chances of funding in such case?

Thanks a lot.

pddm,
Which mock tests were you taking?
Did you go through the wrong answers in those mock tests to find your weak-spots? Since you have the Manhattan SC guide, you must be having access to their mock tests. Try taking a MGMAT mock test and see which verbal section you are falling out on. It may not be SC! Why I ask this is since you got a 6 in the AWA, your grammar must be pretty good
If its SC, try to understand what kind of questions you are making mistakes in (idioms, tenses, parallelism, etc).
If its not SC, get the OG and do the questions in RC and CR.

A quant score of 46 is not bad. There could be several reasons why it went low. It is possible that you were hovering around 49 when you made a few mistakes towards the end, thus bring down your score. Perhaps you could change your strategy in quant. What I follow is pretty simple - spend a fair amount of time for the 1st 10 and the last 10 quant questions. I don't worry much about the mid 17 questions, I don't have statistics to prove this, but I feel that even if your accuracy decreased in those 17 questions, you will be able to make up for it in the end.

I would certainly retake the GMAT if I were you because having a score of 680+ boosts one's confidence to apply to better schools. Don't you think that you deserve a better GMAT score and a better business school? Go for it, I say
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28 Oct 2010, 04:47
I read a lot of the threads dedicated to certain schools and get so depressed looking at the profiles of others. But this thread really gives you some hope.

Thanks guys
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28 Oct 2010, 10:25
pddm,
Which mock tests were you taking?
Did you go through the wrong answers in those mock tests to find your weak-spots? Since you have the Manhattan SC guide, you must be having access to their mock tests. Try taking a MGMAT mock test and see which verbal section you are falling out on. It may not be SC! Why I ask this is since you got a 6 in the AWA, your grammar must be pretty good
If its SC, try to understand what kind of questions you are making mistakes in (idioms, tenses, parallelism, etc).
If its not SC, get the OG and do the questions in RC and CR.

A quant score of 46 is not bad. There could be several reasons why it went low. It is possible that you were hovering around 49 when you made a few mistakes towards the end, thus bring down your score. Perhaps you could change your strategy in quant. What I follow is pretty simple - spend a fair amount of time for the 1st 10 and the last 10 quant questions. I don't worry much about the mid 17 questions, I don't have statistics to prove this, but I feel that even if your accuracy decreased in those 17 questions, you will be able to make up for it in the end.

I would certainly retake the GMAT if I were you because having a score of 680+ boosts one's confidence to apply to better schools. Don't you think that you deserve a better GMAT score and a better business school? Go for it, I say [/quote]
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Thanks Jaidev for all the advise. I will try my best to follow it.
You have a fantastic GMAT score btw...Congrats on that!
I'm planning for a retake now, even though it means missing some of my school's deadlines.
Hoping for the best
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11 Nov 2010, 16:57
Howdy just finished my first test and found this string interesting.

GMAT: 710 (Q:46, V:41, AWA:??)
University attended: Large State university (Top 50ish)
Major(s): History
GPA / Honours: 2.92
Nationality: White American
Age: (at matriculation): 28
Gender: Male
Work Experience: No. of Years / Industry / Role : 4.5/ Energy/Oil & Gas / Consultant & Project Management
Extra-curricular Activities: Fraternity President in college and volunteered for a few local charities
Community Services:

Basically right now have the mentality that the 2.92 precludes applying to top 10 and I don't want to waste time with "saftey schools" so the plan as of now is to apply January round to:

UVA
Duke
UNC
UT-Austin
Georgetown

4 questions:

1. Thoughts on schools above UVA that are somewhat low gpa friendly?
2. Does energy qualify as unusual work experience?
3. Is the GMAT worth another testing, meaning can i make up for the 2.92 with a higher GMAT ?
4.$cholariships: I've read there are GMAT thresholds, but will the 2.92 keep me from getting scholarships? Current Student Joined: 07 May 2010 Posts: 731 Followers: 14 Kudos [?]: 89 [0], given: 66 Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools w/ Low GMAT or Low GPA [#permalink] ### Show Tags 11 Nov 2010, 18:31 ^^^^ Ross _________________ Intern Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 18 Followers: 0 Kudos [?]: 0 [0], given: 0 Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools w/ Low GMAT or Low GPA [#permalink] ### Show Tags 16 Mar 2011, 09:15 What a thread guys! Very informative and gives me hope too.... I got a 690 (Q49/ V34). It is unbalanced but I do not want to give GMAT again as this was already my third attempt. My profile : Nationality : Indian WE : 4.5 years in top IT firm (India + international experience)....permanent employee in US for about 1.5+ years now UnderGrad : B.tech in information technology GPA : 8.6/10 ...dont know how to convert this..(2nd ranker in my class) Extra Curricular : Very active in sports. Was head of Sports Committee in college for all 4 years of the program. Also won Gold/ Bronze medals at Inter-College sports meet. Also very active on all cultural events at school. Community Service : Active member of a foundation in India to help orphanages. Helping students with homeworks and mentoring in US. I want to apply to : MIT Kellogg Booth ISB Darden Duke Ross Cornell Do you think I have a chance in these schools? Should I also add some "save" schools on my list. I was actually more interested in 1 year programs and thought about INSEAD but then I do not have a balanced GMAT score and I am not sure if I should give it a shot. Guess for 1 year programs my only options are ISB and Cornell. Any suggestions/ comments will be highly helpful. You can be blunt to me...I wouldn't mind! I just want to get into my dream school this year Senior Manager Joined: 05 May 2011 Posts: 358 Location: United States (WI) GMAT 1: 780 Q49 V50 WE: Research (Other) Followers: 7 Kudos [?]: 97 [0], given: 35 Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools w/ Low GMAT or Low GPA [#permalink] ### Show Tags 06 May 2011, 21:02 What sort of work experience is considered unusual? Thanks Last edited by rjkaufman21 on 28 Mar 2013, 08:43, edited 2 times in total. Intern Joined: 27 Nov 2009 Posts: 44 Location: United States (NY) Concentration: Entrepreneurship, Technology Schools: Sloan '15 (D) WE: General Management (Health Care) Followers: 0 Kudos [?]: 10 [0], given: 2 Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools w/ Low GMAT or Low GPA [#permalink] ### Show Tags 27 Jul 2011, 22:10 Hi all , Low GPA and GMAT here and looking to apply to CBS early decision. I have a 2.18 and a 530 GMAT score and will be submitting my application this week. A little bit about myself: French major from a second tier university. Poor grades due to family illness. I have taken graduate and community college courses and scored A's and B's to prove I am able to achieve excellence academically. I've taken the GMAT five times and gone from a 420 to a 530, raising my score every exam. However,$250 a pop gets expensive so I stopped at a 530.

I am Latino and a member of the LGBT community. I am 29, worked in nonprofits for 6 years and have extensive community service and leadership backgrounds. I am also an entrepreneur on the side and I am cofounder of a small technology start-up that has been in development since 9/2010. I hope to use this as a strength in my application.

I applied to MIT Sloan in 2009 and got interviewed but was eventually dinged. I was dinged because the application did not make it past the final review committee. But I had admission officers on my side helping me. They said my essays were compelling! I also have an admissions consultant who ins WONDERFUL and has helped me craft my essays even further.

Anyways, 2 years later, I'm back in the game and CBS is where I want to go. There aren't many low GPA and GMAT folks on here so I hope to represent. I'm not exactly proud of my scores but hey, I'm trying to do the best I can.

I will keep everyone posted! Wish me luck!
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11 Aug 2011, 19:21
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Hi all ,

Low GPA and GMAT here and looking to apply to CBS early decision. I have a 2.18 and a 530 GMAT score and will be submitting my application this week.

French major from a second tier university. Poor grades due to family illness. I have taken graduate and community college courses and scored A's and B's to prove I am able to achieve excellence academically. I've taken the GMAT five times and gone from a 420 to a 530, raising my score every exam. However, $250 a pop gets expensive so I stopped at a 530. I am Latino and a member of the LGBT community. I am 29, worked in nonprofits for 6 years and have extensive community service and leadership backgrounds. I am also an entrepreneur on the side and I am cofounder of a small technology start-up that has been in development since 9/2010. I hope to use this as a strength in my application. I applied to MIT Sloan in 2009 and got interviewed but was eventually dinged. I was dinged because the application did not make it past the final review committee. But I had admission officers on my side helping me. They said my essays were compelling! I also have an admissions consultant who ins WONDERFUL and has helped me craft my essays even further. Anyways, 2 years later, I'm back in the game and CBS is where I want to go. There aren't many low GPA and GMAT folks on here so I hope to represent. I'm not exactly proud of my scores but hey, I'm trying to do the best I can. I will keep everyone posted! Wish me luck! wow very dedicated. If you don't mind, just out of curiousity, who is your admissions consultant? What kind of advice did they give you about your low GMAT scores? It seems like all the admissions consultants on this website are saying the same advice about retaking the GMAT, and that the GMAT what really matters? Intern Joined: 25 Jun 2010 Posts: 7 Location: Chapel Hill, NC Schools: UNC, DUKE Followers: 3 Kudos [?]: 9 [0], given: 0 Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools w/ Low GMAT or Low GPA [#permalink] ### Show Tags 12 Aug 2011, 07:14 Once again I decided to post a short note here to help people who are looking into top 20 schools with low GMAT/GPA. I have read and heard so many so called "consultants" about how important GMAT is and if you don't have 700 you shouldn't even consider applying. I had a 560 GMAT and still got into 2 top 20 school, now I'm about to start my 2nd year. This are a few thoughts as I look back into my application process and I wish I had known this when I was looking into schools I wanted to attend. 1) GMAT IS NOT EVERYTHING (I'm an example), basically Bschools want to know that you will be able to handle the heavy work load and stress that is the 1st semester. They don't want students dropping out or even worse failing classes. Sadly given that there is no standard way to measure your academic skills bschools use your GMAT scores as a gauge. I know 750 people who got dinged and I'm a 560 who got in!! 2) Your story counts, schools want to know why you want to go to bschool, how that specific school fits in your long term plans and HOW can they benefit from you going there. 3) You need to be UNIQUE to them, schools want a diverse pool of students. Make sure you don't follow a template from a consultant. 4) RESEARCH THE SCHOOL, you have to make your application "custom fit" to every school. Admissions is very good at catching BS, if you don't understand the culture of each school and what "they" think is unique about them admissions won't believe your application that says you can add to that uniqueness. Finally, show your essays and your entire application to as many friends as you can, get as much feed back as possible then look at your application yourself and if you don't buy your own arguments, bschools won't either. Be realistic about your application and about what you want to do in life, if you went to an below average school and got a below average GPA, got a below average job and scored a below average GMAT... your chances of getting into consulting at the top 3 schools or investment banking might not happen for you AND admissions will see that, your entire story has to make sense. Consultants don't have the answers to everything and they cannot get you into the school you want, UNLESS you can do that on your own. They just help you focus! I hope this helps, good luck to everyone who is looking into applying for next year!! Intern Joined: 20 Apr 2011 Posts: 11 Location: San Diego, CA Followers: 0 Kudos [?]: 1 [0], given: 0 Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools w/ Low GMAT or Low GPA [#permalink] ### Show Tags 12 Aug 2011, 08:31 GMAT: 680 (Q:42, V:41, AWA:5.5) University attended: Service Academy Major(s): History GPA / Honours: 2.4 Nationality: US Age: 29 Gender: Male Work Experience:5 years/Military Officer/ Mid-level management Extra-curricular Activities: None Community Services: None Business Schools (Admitted): Ross (R3) and Cornell w/$ (R4)
Business Schools (Applied but Dinged): None

Leadership experience and great essays set me apart. I think people put too much weight into the GPA/GMAT portion of the application... all those are going to do is get your foot in the door. Once they have your application in front of them there needs to be a lot more to set yourself apart as a viable candidate. If you are within the range for the school you are applying too than I really don't think you should retake the GMAT... it is a waste of your time. You are much better off spending your resources fine tuning your story and translating it into words.
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06 Sep 2011, 06:41
Hi Folks,

This thread gave me a lot of hope when I was applying. And I wished that one day I'll be posting my success story. The day has come now as I've been accepted by INSEAD. Applied to CBS ED and will update when I hear from them.

First of all, don't take your profile evaluations seriously. GMAT/GPA are important components of your application, but there is no deal-breaker. I'm an Indian male with an engineering background (GPA converts to 2.2) and have not worked/studied outside my country. I've very weak social EC and have never held important positions in any clubs. Only one promotion in last five years and an individual contributor. When admission consultants read my profile, they asked me to change my target schools. It's not their fault - the poor guys work with limited information. Here is what one consultant told me:

If you're based in the US, then I'd say schools like Columbia, Kellogg, and Haas will likely be stretches, and schools such as Stern, Cornell, Yale, Duke, Darden, Michigan and UCLA will be sweet spots. (and if you've been based in India, then these sweet spot schools will be stretches, and your sweet spots would then be schools outside of the top 16 such as Tepper, Georgetown, USC, etc.).

So what worked for me? Here are my guesses:
1. I did something which I never did in college - I worked hard. I spent a lot of time on GMAT Club. 80% of that was simply a waste of time, but it was necessary for the remaining 20% which was extremely useful. From offline content, I highly recommend two books - Your MBA Game Plan and Great Application for Business School (Paul Bodine). Cleverly and succinctly written.
2. I think I score high on the hire-ability quotient. A graduate from India's top school (yes, it's IIT), a quant in a big firm and a CFA charter-holder.
3. A credible goal essay. The proof was in the pudding as I asked them to look at my blog.
4. I wrote an optional essay clearly stating that my UG grades were due to lack of focus. No excuses. I alleviated any doubts regarding my intelligence by reminding them about my GMAT score, my Math Olympiad achievements, my IIT admit. And I challenged them to challenge my commitment after considering my job profile, my CFA charter and my blog.
5. Finally, I felt really good after preparing my application. If I were an adcom member, I would have selected myself. That feeling was missing after I prepared my CBS application and I wouldn't be surprised if they don't invite me for an interview.

So chin up everyone, and give it your best shot. PM me if you have any questions.
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08 Sep 2011, 01:53
Update: Was surprised to get an interview invite from Columbia (Early Decision) yesterday. And I thought Columbia was big on solid academics. At least that's what I heard.

Will decline the invite soon. INSEAD it is.
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26 Oct 2011, 16:54
So reading through the thread, so bascially the low GPA friendly schools are: Kellogg, Ross, INSEAD and maybe Cornell? Any other schools in mind?
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01 Sep 2012, 09:32
Would any of the current students at the mentioned schools help me to evaluate my chances:

Duke , Darden , USC, Tepper , Mccombs

Here is a brief of my profile :

Educational Background:
Bachelor of Engineering in Electronics and Communications - GPA 3.5(Converted to US)
GMAT 680 (Q49,V33)

My GMAT is on the lower side for the schools mentioned above

Professional Background: Experience: 5 years (as of August-2012)
1) Senior Analyst 2010 - present: Credit Risk Analytic at a Boutique Consulting
Currently working with the largest retail bank in UK to develop strategies and insights to advise clients on the following :
Customer acquisition ,Customer retention,Loss Minimization on High Credit Limit accounts,Collection strategies to minimize loss on delinquent accounts etc.

2) 2007-2010: Business Analyst at a Major IT MNC

Extra-Curricular Activities:

NGO experience - Worked for an NGO from within the organization to help the underprivileged children, of Denotified tribal area , in accessing a continuous stream of education. Involved in speaking to small fund donors and gathering volunteers.

Rock Band in Undergraduate Institute - Performed Live and backstage at various competitive events across State.
Head of Cultural Committee in Undergraduate Institute - Funds collections , marketing events for the various year round activities

Member of Core marketting committee in Undergraduate Institute - Marketing spotlight events across state, inviting high budget sponsors for event sponsorship

Languages known: English , Hindi , German(Speaking)

Reason for doing an MBA: Career Progress
I would want to leverage my Credit Risk Analytic experience and work post MBA for a Big 4 in their Risk Advisory domain, or leverage the same experience to work for a large lending Institution in their Credit risk vertical.
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01 Sep 2012, 12:39
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Give me a few months and hopefully I will!
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12 Dec 2012, 14:45
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KAS1 wrote:

Give me a few months and hopefully I will!

Me too
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07 Feb 2013, 06:39
My gmat score was extremely low (590). However, do I stand a chance with work experience of 5 years and willing to pay full fees?

Colleges of interest:
Dartmouth, Duke, HEC, NUS, esade and Nanyang.

Education - 15 years

28, Male, Indian.

Just an insight would be helpful.

Thanks a ton.

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