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Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools w/ Low GMAT or Low GPA

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20 Dec 2008, 23:01
This thread has been here for several days, but no profiles have been posted. Does that mean people with a low GMAT score are destined to be denied?

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20 Dec 2008, 23:13
yhc25 wrote:
This thread has been here for several days, but no profiles have been posted. Does that mean people with a low GMAT score are destined to be denied?

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23 Dec 2008, 08:00
pelihu wrote:
I've said it many times, and received negative comments many many times, but I'll say it again. People admitted with GMAT scores more than 20-30 points below the median for a given school are either underrepresented minorities or have some other easily identifiable unique factors that support their candidacy. People without such factors and not from such underrepresented groups can rely on little more than pure luck if their scores are more than 30 points below the average.

I have to agree with this assessment.

We're talking about top programs here. It's difficult enough for many of us to even get admit to one!

Sure, there are exceptions, but they are outliers.

One admissions consultant I've talked to once said:
"The 80 percentile GMAT range posted in the class profile? Unless you are an african american, native american, hispanic, or female - don't bother look at the lower end of that range."

I didn't believe that person at first, but more and more that consultant sounds right.
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24 Dec 2008, 06:07
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GMAT: 670 (Q:50, V:30, AWA:4)
University attended: ENSAM (French top leading engineering school)
Major(s): Mechanical engineering
GPA / Honours:N/A
Nationality: French / Congo <--
Age: (at matriculation) 31
Gender: Male
Work Experience: 6 / Consulting / Associate
Extra-curricular Activities: Many
Community Services: Many

Hope this gives hope

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24 Dec 2008, 07:33
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pelihu wrote:
I've said it many times, and received negative comments many many times, but I'll say it again. People admitted with GMAT scores more than 20-30 points below the median for a given school are either underrepresented minorities or have some other easily identifiable unique factors that support their candidacy. People without such factors and not from such underrepresented groups can rely on little more than pure luck if their scores are more than 30 points below the average.

I have to agree with this assessment.

We're talking about top programs here. It's difficult enough for many of us to even get admit to one!

Sure, there are exceptions, but they are outliers.

One admissions consultant I've talked to once said:
"The 80 percentile GMAT range posted in the class profile? Unless you are an african american, native american, hispanic, or female - don't bother look at the lower end of that range."

I didn't believe that person at first, but more and more that consultant sounds right.

I think also coming from an underepresented work experience background can be added to that.

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24 Dec 2008, 09:07
Eden52 wrote:
GMAT: 670 (Q:50, V:30, AWA:4)
University attended: ENSAM (French top leading engineering school)
Major(s): Mechanical engineering
GPA / Honours:N/A
Nationality: French / Congo
Age: (at matriculation) 31
Gender: Male
Work Experience: 6 / Consulting / Associate
Extra-curricular Activities: Many
Community Services: Many

Hope this gives hope

Interesting post, even though I think your GMAT score is actually very strong because u r not expected to score high in verbal as non-native speaker! Q50 says that u r very strong in math (but u r ingenieur right!) Overall 670 is a competitive score...

Wondering if we r gonna see something like white-american-male or IT-indian-male with 610 accepted in any of the top schools
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30 Dec 2008, 22:37
Found a few more interesting profiles. First - 640 and got into Duke. Second - friend got 640 and got into Stanford. These are from the beatthegmat forums.

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suffissd:

I am a 24 year old white female, and I majored in Biochemistry, Biophysics and Molecular Biology. I had a 3.40 undergraduate GPA, and then I got a certificate in Biochemistry where my GPA was 3.89.
My GMAT was 640 (35V/44Q, 6 Analytical Writing)

I only have 1.5 years of work experience (which I think proves quality is better than quantity) at the National Institutes of Health where I got a prestigious fellowship to work on the AIDS virus. I was elected the Fellow-Chair of my institute at the NIH which gives me some management experience.

I think what really got me in were my letters of recommendations which were amazing, and then my essays with an emphasis on how everything I have done thus far in health care will enable me to be successful in the Health Sector Management Concentration which I plan to pursue.

I also tried to set myself apart from other applicants in my essays by talking about being an Academic All American in Snowboarding which I was very dedicated to in College.

Good Luck!
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Leonard C:

Just found out a friend of mine was accepted at Stanford with a 640 GMAT. He was on the wait-list for a while but has now been accepted. He was also accepted first round into LBS.

His background is not extraordinary - worked for six years at a top 100 company (mining sector) in Australia, progression rate normal, but had fantastic references. He's also a great writer, so I'm guessing his essays were good.

I also heard (not sure whether this is true) that six people with an 800 GMAT score applied to Stanford last year, and all were rejected.
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31 Dec 2008, 01:02
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Leonard C:

Just found out a friend of mine was accepted at Stanford with a 640 GMAT. He was on the wait-list for a while but has now been accepted. He was also accepted first round into LBS.

His background is not extraordinary - worked for six years at a top 100 company (mining sector) in Australia, progression rate normal, but had fantastic references. He's also a great writer, so I'm guessing his essays were good.

I also heard (not sure whether this is true) that six people with an 800 GMAT score applied to Stanford last year, and all were rejected.
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Never underestimate the power of references from people-in-the-know for the school.

I knew a person who got into Stanford with 680 GMAT and typical workexp ( I worked in same company but departments were different) but reco from a BIG person in indian industry who is kind of known as high level intellectual ( The person had good educational background and all, and I mentioned this success story before in Gmatclub and was ridiculed).

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01 Jan 2009, 04:16
Take a look at this profile: http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/mb ... ller/1.htm

I got in with a 660 and two years work experience. And, I didn't graduate from a well-known undergraduate institution, either.

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01 Jan 2009, 06:07
BSchoolorBust wrote:
Take a look at this profile: http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/mb ... ller/1.htm

I got in with a 660 and two years work experience. And, I didn't graduate from a well-known undergraduate institution, either.

Nice read. 660 and in Stanford, interesting.

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02 Jan 2009, 08:10
That girl sounds pretty awesome. I'm sure she'll be a hit at Stanford.

That said, I never thought I'd say this, but... I agree with Pelihu. Would this applicant have gotten into Stanford if she were a he and white? There's no way to know, obviously, but if I had to bet on it, I think the safe money would be on a big fat ding, no interview.

I'm a white dude from a family that wasn't poor, so I won't get on a soapbox here about affirmative action, except to say that this admissions process is a little frustrating for someone who can't check all the boxes my schools are looking for to up their demographic numbers.

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02 Jan 2009, 09:01
However, I am wondering why not so many females score high in GMAT since they usually have much better test scores at school and much better GPA's.
Also, there was some data showing that much more females attend college these days than males

It would be interesting to see by gender and by race type of stats breakdown on the GMAC website but I think they just have scores from different countries and thats all they disclose to the public
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02 Jan 2009, 14:18
FYI, it's very tough to get a job at a high-level, well-known non-profit right out of college with no experience. They don't recruit and get a truckload of resumes - every liberal arts major at every university within 100 miles applies for the lowliest administrative assistant position. To get in doing something substantive is even harder, and usually requires that you know someone (either through an internship, a fluke, or nepotism). Just my experience.

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15 Jan 2009, 11:53
spiridon wrote:
However, I am wondering why not so many females score high in GMAT since they usually have much better test scores at school and much better GPA's.
Also, there was some data showing that much more females attend college these days than males

It would be interesting to see by gender and by race type of stats breakdown on the GMAC website but I think they just have scores from different countries and thats all they disclose to the public

If you go to the GMAC website they have a report that details everything by Male, Female, Race etc. I think I remember the average white male around 550 and average white female slightly lower. African-Americans were the lowest around 440.

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15 Jan 2009, 11:55
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spiridon wrote:
However, I am wondering why not so many females score high in GMAT since they usually have much better test scores at school and much better GPA's.
Also, there was some data showing that much more females attend college these days than males

It would be interesting to see by gender and by race type of stats breakdown on the GMAC website but I think they just have scores from different countries and thats all they disclose to the public

If you go to the GMAC website they have a report that details everything by Male, Female, Race etc. I think I remember the average white male around 550 and average white female slightly lower. African-Americans were the lowest around 440.

Can u post that link, I doubt that GMAC would have such a thing
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15 Jan 2009, 13:22
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spiridon wrote:
Can u post that link, I doubt that GMAC would have such a thing

The question was not addressed to me - but here is the link:

http://www.gmac.com/nr/rdonlyres/f3b73942-8a93-4fc2-bb8d-1e8735158b80/0/profileofgmatcandidates0408.pdf

You can see the stats by gender, race, age etc. Data from earlier years is also available.

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18 Jan 2010, 07:21
Hi all,my gmat score at my first and only attempt is 400.Very discouraging you'd agree with me!

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20 Jan 2010, 09:35
I spent most of my life until now refusing to "check the box" because I would rather know that I got somewhere in my life because I was great at what I do not because of my heritage. I was OK with my grades, OK with my test scores my entire life but always was the leader of everything I did and received several awards all through HS and Undergrad.

I only check the box now because I had a conversation with an AdCom member from a top 10 B-school who articulated to me that they don't see the URM status as being more lenient but they want and need a diverse program. Whether I check the box or not, they're going to maintain a diverse program either way and I may fit into one of the other "boxes" that they're looking for (career background, career goals, and life stories, etc.) given my solid marketing/advertising background and desire to go into a non-traditional career in Media and Entertainment. The big thing I might be passing on by not checking the URM box is scholarship money. Which, given the prospect of paying for everything myself with no help, is a BIG reason for me to check the box.

+1 on all counts, especially the bolded parts
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21 Jan 2010, 21:36
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Just received an interview invite from Booth today

NICE! Congrats! Good luck with the interview....

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