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Among tennis fans, vigorous debate has raged about whether Roger Federer or Rafael Nadal is the best player and whether either should be dubbed “the greatest player of all time.”

(A) whether Roger Federer or Rafael Nadal is the best player and whether either should be

(B) if Roger Federer or Rafael Nadal is the best player and if either should be

(C) whether Roger Federer or Rafael Nadal is the better player and whether they will have been

(D) whether Roger Federer or Rafael Nadal is the better player and whether either should be

(E) if Roger Federer is better than Rafael Nadal and one or the other will be

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If and whether..whether is the winner.
Better and best..meaning of the original sentence is who is the best not who is better between two. Hence, D and E are out.
C is out because of 'they'
Whether is used when we have two possible scneraios and one out of the two needs to be selected.
Ex: whether you sink or swim is not my concern.

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We have 2 3-2 splits among the answer choices here.

1. If vs Whether
2. better vs best

There is no conditional scenario here so if is not preferred. Thus eliminating B and E.
There are only two people in comparison here............Federer and Nadal.............so comparative form better is used rather than superlative form best.........This eliminates A and C and thus retaining only D.

(A) whether Roger Federer or Rafael Nadal is the best player and whether either should be.......incorrect due to best as describes above.

(B) if Roger Federer or Rafael Nadal is the best player and if either should be..........conditional if plays the spoilsport here.

(C) whether Roger Federer or Rafael Nadal is the better player and whether they will have been.........this removes the best error but introduces pronoun error with they. they seem to refer fans incorrectly.

(D)
    whether Roger Federer or Rafael Nadal is the better player and
    whether either should be


(E) if Roger Federer is better than Rafael Nadal and one or the other will be.............this contains conditional if error and also changes the intended meaning due to change in comparison structure and future tense will be is incorrect here
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Among tennis fans, vigorous debate has raged about whether Roger Federer or Rafael Nadal is the best player and whether either should be dubbed “the greatest player of all time.”

among fans debate is about two things who is better and whether either should be dubbed “the greatest player of all time.” We cannot say that A is best than B. When we are comparing two things we should use comparative adjectives such as better.
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(A) whether Roger Federer or Rafael Nadal is the best player and whether either should be

Best is wrong as explanined above.

(B) if Roger Federer or Rafael Nadal is the best player and if either should be

Best is not correct and better should be used instead.

if introduces a condition that if A then B. Here we are talking about a preference therefore whether should be used. Whenever in confusion regarding whether to use if or whether. Restructure the sentence in if A then B form. Further "whether Roger Federer or Rafael Nadal is the best player" is a noun clause/substantive clause which basically acts as a noun. Before this noun clause we have preposition about. So "about whether...." is basically a prepositional phrase. This is fine. If always introduces a dependent clause and if clause cannot be the object of preposition (here "about"). Object of prepositions are always nouns(including noun phrases and noun clauses).

(C) whether Roger Federer or Rafael Nadal is the better player and whether they will have been

"will have been" indicates future perfect progressive tense that implies that something will be going on before a specified time in the future. First error therefore is that future time is not specified here and progressive tense doesn't make sense. Further, from the meaning of original sentence we are talking about either of them should be dubbed greatest in the "present" and not in the "future".

(D) whether Roger Federer or Rafael Nadal is the better player and whether either should be

This is fine. Better is used for comparison between two players. Sentence is in present tense.

(E) if Roger Federer is better than Rafael Nadal and one or the other will be

if is wrong as analyzed above. Further "one" and "other" don't go together. One another and each other are idiomatic pairs.
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According to me, answer should be A.
"D" is a nice trap. "Better" is used for comparing but here topic of discussion is not comparison but decision on " who is actually the best player?"

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I pick B
if Roger Federer or Rafael Nadal is the best player and if either should be

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split #1 if vs whether
split #2 better vs best
split #3 either vs they

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1. You need whether to make the comparison, not if. Therefore, A/C/D remains.
2. Better is used to compare the two, best is used to compare more than two. C/D Remains
3. "They will have been" is awkward, D remains

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Among tennis fans, vigorous debate has raged about whether Roger Federer or Rafael Nadal is the best player and whether either should be dubbed “the greatest player of all time.”

(A) whether Roger Federer or Rafael Nadal is the best player and whether either should be .........best is wrong . we are comparing two people

(B) if Roger Federer or Rafael Nadal is the best player and if either should be ..........WHETHER is preferred . IF is used for conditionals

(C) whether Roger Federer or Rafael Nadal is the better player and whether they will have been ........ they will have been ...is awkward and verbose

(D) whether Roger Federer or Rafael Nadal is the better player and whether either should be............correct choice

(E) if Roger Federer is better than Rafael Nadal and one or the other will be...........IF is used for conditionals .
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Among tennis fans, vigorous debate has raged about whether Roger Federer or Rafael Nadal is the best player and whether either should be dubbed “the greatest player of all time.”

(A) whether Roger Federer or Rafael Nadal is the best player and whether either should be
(B) if Roger Federer or Rafael Nadal is the best player and if either should be
(C) whether Roger Federer or Rafael Nadal is the better player and whether they will have been
(D) whether Roger Federer or Rafael Nadal is the better player and whether either should be
(E) if Roger Federer is better than Rafael Nadal and one or the other will be

There is no condition, we have to use whether. And as we are comparing between 2, 1 is better than the other, not the best than the other. 3-2 split.
Next is parallelism. whether X ... and whether Y...
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This sentence as written contains an error: When two things (or people in this case) are compared, the correct form of the word is “better,” not “best.”

Eliminate choice (A).

In the answer choices, there is a 3-2 split between “whether” and “if.” Because two people are being compared, “whether” is correct. “If” is generally not used in comparisons but only for the conditional, as in “If Roger Federer wins another Grand Slam title, he will be the greatest tennis player of all time.”

Eliminate choices (B) and (E) on this basis. (For the record, there are other problems with these two choices as well. Choice (B) contains the same error (“best”) as the original. And by changing the verb at the end from “should be” to “will be,” choice (E) alters the meaning of the sentence.)

Read choices (C) and (D) in parallel. They are alike until near the end, where (C) uses the pronoun “they” and (D) uses “either.” The subject of the clause is “Roger Federer or Rafael Nadal,” and because of the “or” and because each noun in the compound subject is singular, verbs and pronouns relating to the subject should be singular. The verb “is” is correctly used in both choices, but the plural “they” is incorrect in (C). Additionally, choice (C) uses the future perfect verb tense “will have been,” which alters the meaning of the sentence.

Answer choice (D) is correct.
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Usage of whether is correct. Eliminate B and E.

Use of better is apt, for the comparison is between 2 people.

Hence A is out. Left with C and D.

C has a verb tense issue, will have been is inappropriate in this context.

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Option D it is ... nicely explained in the posts above !
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Haha tricky. If the players had been, say "Richard Branson" and "Warren Buffett", I suspect nobody would have picked answer choice A!

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The correct answer choice has one error. "The" can't be used with comparative form. it is only used in superlative form. Without 'The" in option D, the choice makes more sense than others do

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Congratulations to those of you who answered this tricky question correctly! 

There were some votes for (A) as the correct answer, so let's see what we can learn from this particular trap. Always read carefully for meaning. There are two separate "whether" clauses in this sentence, and it's tempting to conflate their meanings, but if you read the second of them carefully, you'll see that whether either of these two players should be dubbed the greatest player ever is arguable. So, the first clause can't be saying that one of the two is the best ever. What about the best currently? If the writer of this sentence meant to say that, she would have placed a descriptive phrase in the first "whether" clause to introduce the "now" vs. "ever" contrast: "whether either is the best player among all current tennis players and whether either should be dubbed the greatest player of all time". There is no indication in the first "whether" clause to indicate that the writer means to make a distinction between "best at the moment" and "best ever," so we have to conclude that the first "whether" clause is merely asking about these two players compared to each other. Whenever you compare just two people or things, the correct idiom is the comparative, not the superlative: "the better of the two." This is the reason to eliminate (A).
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Why 'the' in comparative form.

I have never seen its use in comparison of two people or things.

Ramesh is longer than shyam.

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Congratulations to those of you who answered this tricky question correctly! 

There were some votes for (A) as the correct answer, so let's see what we can learn from this particular trap. Always read carefully for meaning. There are two separate "whether" clauses in this sentence, and it's tempting to conflate their meanings, but if you read the second of them carefully, you'll see that whether either of these two players should be dubbed the greatest player ever is arguable. So, the first clause can't be saying that one of the two is the best ever. What about the best currently? If the writer of this sentence meant to say that, she would have placed a descriptive phrase in the first "whether" clause to introduce the "now" vs. "ever" contrast: "whether either is the best player among all current tennis players and whether either should be dubbed the greatest player of all time". There is no indication in the first "whether" clause to indicate that the writer means to make a distinction between "best at the moment" and "best ever," so we have to conclude that the first "whether" clause is merely asking about these two players compared to each other. Whenever you compare just two people or things, the correct idiom is the comparative, not the superlative: "the better of the two." This is the reason to eliminate (A).

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Why 'the' in comparative form.

I have never seen its use in comparison of two people or things.

Ramesh is longer than shyam.

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Congratulations to those of you who answered this tricky question correctly! 

There were some votes for (A) as the correct answer, so let's see what we can learn from this particular trap. Always read carefully for meaning. There are two separate "whether" clauses in this sentence, and it's tempting to conflate their meanings, but if you read the second of them carefully, you'll see that whether either of these two players should be dubbed the greatest player ever is arguable. So, the first clause can't be saying that one of the two is the best ever. What about the best currently? If the writer of this sentence meant to say that, she would have placed a descriptive phrase in the first "whether" clause to introduce the "now" vs. "ever" contrast: "whether either is the best player among all current tennis players and whether either should be dubbed the greatest player of all time". There is no indication in the first "whether" clause to indicate that the writer means to make a distinction between "best at the moment" and "best ever," so we have to conclude that the first "whether" clause is merely asking about these two players compared to each other. Whenever you compare just two people or things, the correct idiom is the comparative, not the superlative: "the better of the two." This is the reason to eliminate (A).


The demonstrative adjective "the" refers to the "player". When the structure comparative adjective + than is used , "the" is not to be used. However this is not such a case. The better player is definite here (observe the usage of "the" at the beginning of this sentence) and thus "the" is used: to refer to the "player", not to "better". Consider the following examples:

1. Who is THE better player between Roger and Nadal?
2. Roger is THE better player between Roger and Nadal.

Both the above sentences are correct and "the" refers to the definite player who is better between Roger and Nadal.

However we would not use "the" in the following case:

3.Who plays better?
4. Roger plays better than Nadal.

In example 3 and 4, there is no "player", hence no "the".

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b/c of "the greatest player of all time", A is wrong and "the best player" cannot be used here. Also, the comparison sense is clear; "better" must be used.

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