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08 Sep 2018, 00:21
Hello,
I took my first GMAT test last week and scored 580. I had spent about 2 months preparing and used the Princeton Review online and offline resources and gave plenty of practise tests on their portal as well as the GMAT prep tests on the MBA website.. where I was scoring about 580-620.
My score on the main GMAT was Q39 and V31.
I need to retake the test and am open to dedicating major time to this. However, I have only about a month as i need to apply to schools. Any score between 670 and 700 would be enough for all the schools I am looking at.
Can someone help me with suggestions on the resources I can use and/or possibly strategies I can apply?
Also, is one month enough time to prepare for a retake?
Any suggestions and help would be welcome. Thank you !

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08 Sep 2018, 05:18
akshitar12 wrote:
Hello,
I took my first GMAT test last week and scored 580. I had spent about 2 months preparing and used the Princeton Review online and offline resources and gave plenty of practise tests on their portal as well as the GMAT prep tests on the MBA website.. where I was scoring about 580-620.
My score on the main GMAT was Q39 and V31.
I need to retake the test and am open to dedicating major time to this. However, I have only about a month as i need to apply to schools. Any score between 670 and 700 would be enough for all the schools I am looking at.
Can someone help me with suggestions on the resources I can use and/or possibly strategies I can apply?
Also, is one month enough time to prepare for a retake?
Any suggestions and help would be welcome. Thank you !

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Hi,

It would be difficult to score 670 to 700 in a months time as you have targeted for. No to discourage you, anyways. Q39 is less than 50%, so if you can tackle quant a bit better, you can easily reach 650. You Verbal is good enough, so a bit of work can take you to V 33 or 34. As you are dedicating full time to GMAT, You can crack 670+.

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08 Sep 2018, 05:29
akshitar12 wrote:
Hello,
I took my first GMAT test last week and scored 580. I had spent about 2 months preparing and used the Princeton Review online and offline resources and gave plenty of practise tests on their portal as well as the GMAT prep tests on the MBA website.. where I was scoring about 580-620.
My score on the main GMAT was Q39 and V31.
I need to retake the test and am open to dedicating major time to this. However, I have only about a month as i need to apply to schools. Any score between 670 and 700 would be enough for all the schools I am looking at.
Can someone help me with suggestions on the resources I can use and/or possibly strategies I can apply?
Also, is one month enough time to prepare for a retake?
Any suggestions and help would be welcome. Thank you !

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Quant is obviously the area where there is ample scope for improvement. What was the score range for quant in your practice tests? Did you practice the OG and Quant riview questions?
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08 Sep 2018, 06:29
In the practise tests I was getting Q38-43.. I didn't attempt all the questions in the OG..because I spent a lot more time on verbal after a certain point while preparing

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08 Sep 2018, 12:04
Hi akshitar12,

Raising a 580 to a 670+ will likely require at least another 2 months of consistent, guided study - and you'll have to make significant improvements to how you handle BOTH the Quant and Verbal sections. Thankfully, the GMAT is a consistent, predictable Exam, so you CAN train to score at a higher level. This is meant to say that you will likely need more study time than you have currently allotted. You might choose to purchase the Enhanced Score Report. While the ESR doesn't provide a lot of information, there are usually a few data points that we can use to define what went wrong (and what you should work on to score higher). If you purchase the ESR, then I'll be happy to analyze it for you.

Before I can offer you the specific advice that you’re looking for, it would help if you could provide a bit more information on how you've been studying and your goals:

1) On what dates did you take each of your practice CATs? How did you score on EACH (including the Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores for EACH)?
2) What Schools are you planning to apply to?
3) What are the Round 1 and Round 2 application deadlines for each of those Schools?

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08 Sep 2018, 18:57
akshitar12 wrote:
In the practise tests I was getting Q38-43.. I didn't attempt all the questions in the OG..because I spent a lot more time on verbal after a certain point while preparing
Your quant does need work. Even a Q43 (47%) is less than a V31 (61%).

Are you sure your basic concepts are in place? I ask because just working on the basics could give you some easy points.
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08 Sep 2018, 19:51
Hi Rich,

I can get back to you with the specific dates and scaled scores shortly. As of now, I'm applying to Rotman, Desautels, DeGroote, and Alberta. I'm also applying to a few schools in Singapore. But the ones in Canada are my first choice. Most of them have rolling admissions which will open late September/early October.
I want to apply as early as possible.
I will purchase the ESR and would like to hear your thoughts on the same.

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Hi akshitar12,

Raising a 580 to a 670+ will likely require at least another 2 months of consistent, guided study - and you'll have to make significant improvements to how you handle BOTH the Quant and Verbal sections. Thankfully, the GMAT is a consistent, predictable Exam, so you CAN train to score at a higher level. This is meant to say that you will likely need more study time than you have currently allotted. You might choose to purchase the Enhanced Score Report. While the ESR doesn't provide a lot of information, there are usually a few data points that we can use to define what went wrong (and what you should work on to score higher). If you purchase the ESR, then I'll be happy to analyze it for you.

Before I can offer you the specific advice that you’re looking for, it would help if you could provide a bit more information on how you've been studying and your goals:

1) On what dates did you take each of your practice CATs? How did you score on EACH (including the Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores for EACH)?
2) What Schools are you planning to apply to?
3) What are the Round 1 and Round 2 application deadlines for each of those Schools?

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08 Sep 2018, 19:54
Hi Ajitesh,
Honestly, my basic math concepts did need quite a bit of brushing up when I started preparing for the exam about two months ago and so I bought the Kaplan book and went through the whole thing and it left me with more confidence and a much better grasp of basic concepts than what I had when I started out.
However, I would be willing to try another resource (online/books) that you can recommend that would help me sharpen those skills further as I do think quant is an area which is slightly easier to boost than verbal...

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akshitar12 wrote:
In the practise tests I was getting Q38-43.. I didn't attempt all the questions in the OG..because I spent a lot more time on verbal after a certain point while preparing
Your quant does need work. Even a Q43 (47%) is less than a V31 (61%).

Are you sure your basic concepts are in place? I ask because just working on the basics could give you some easy points.

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08 Sep 2018, 20:22
akshitar12 wrote:
Hi Ajitesh,
Honestly, my basic math concepts did need quite a bit of brushing up when I started preparing for the exam about two months ago and so I bought the Kaplan book and went through the whole thing and it left me with more confidence and a much better grasp of basic concepts than what I had when I started out.
However, I would be willing to try another resource (online/books) that you can recommend that would help me sharpen those skills further as I do think quant is an area which is slightly easier to boost than verbal...
I would of course recommend one of our programs

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11 Sep 2018, 17:19
Hi akshitar12,

I’m glad you reached out, and I’m happy to help. Since you have been studying for two months but are stuck at a 580, you need to look at HOW you have been preparing, and potentially make some changes. That being said, to improve your score 90+ points, you probably will need longer than just one month. Are you able to take your exam at a later date?

When you are working on learning to answer questions of a particular type, start off taking your time, and then seek to speed up as you get more comfortable answering questions of that type. As you do such practice, do a thorough analysis of each question that you don't get right. If you got a remainder question wrong, ask yourself why. Did you make a careless mistake? Did you not properly apply the remainder formula? Was there a concept you did not understand in the question? By carefully analyzing your mistakes, you will be able to efficiently fix your weaknesses and in turn improve your GMAT quant skills.

Sentence Correction is a bit of a different animal compared to Reading Comprehension and Critical Reasoning. There are three aspects to getting correct answers to GMAT Sentence Correction questions: what you know, such as grammar rules, what you see, such as violations of grammar rules and the logic of sentence structure, and what you do, such as carefully considering each answer choice in the context of the non-underlined portion of the sentence. To drive up your Sentence Correction score, it is likely that you will have to work on all three of those aspects, and it is also likely that your Sentence Correction performance has not improved because you have not been working on all three of those aspects.

Regarding what you know, to be successful in Sentence Correction, first and foremost, you MUST know your grammar rules. Let's be clear, though: GMAT Sentence Correction is not really a test of knowledge of grammar rules. The reason for learning the grammar rules is so that you can determine what sentences convey and whether sentences are well-constructed. In fact, in many cases, incorrect answers to Sentence Correction questions are grammatically flawless. Thus, often your task is to use your knowledge of grammar rules to determine which answer choice creates the most logical sentence meaning and structure.

This determination of whether sentences are well-constructed and logical is the second aspect of finding correct answers to Sentence Correction questions, what you see. Likely, the main reason that Sentence Correction has not "clicked" for you is that you have not put enough work into developing your skill in seeing what is going on in the various versions of the sentence that the answer choices create. To develop this skill, you probably have to slow way down. You won't develop this skill by spending under two minutes per question. For a while, anyway, you have to spend time with each question, maybe even ten or fifteen minutes on one question sometimes, analyzing every answer choice until you see the details that you have to see in order to choose the correct answer. As you go through the answer choices, consider the meaning conveyed by each version of the sentence. Does the meaning make sense? Even if you can tell what the version is SUPPOSED to convey, does the version really convey that meaning? Is there a verb to go with the subject? Do all pronouns in the sentence clearly refer to nouns in the sentence? By slowing way down and looking for these details, you learn to see what you have to see in order to clearly understand which answer to a Sentence Correction question is correct.

There is only one correct answer to any Sentence Correction question, there are clear reasons why that choice is correct and the others are not, and those reasons are not that the correct version simply "sounds right." In fact, the correct version often sounds a little off at first. That correct answers may sound a little off is not surprising. If the correct answer were always the one that sounded right, then most people most of the time would get Sentence Correction questions correct, without really knowing why the wrong answers were wrong and the correct answers were correct. So, you have to go beyond choosing what "sounds right" and learn to clearly see the logical reasons why one choice is better than all of the others.

As for the third aspect of getting Sentence Correction questions correct, what you do, the main thing you have to do is be very careful. You have to make sure that you are truly considering the structures of sentences and the meanings conveyed rather than allowing yourself to be tricked into choosing trap answers that sound right but don't convey meanings that make sense. You also have to make sure that you put some real energy into finding the correct answers. Finding the correct answer to a Sentence Correction question may take bouncing from choice to choice repeatedly until you start to see the differences between the choices that make all choices wrong except for one. Often, when you first look at the choices in a Sentence Correction question, only one or two seem obviously incorrect. It may take time for you to see what you have to see. Getting the right answers takes a certain work ethic. You have to be determined to see the differences and to figure out the precise reasons that one choice is correct.

To improve what you do when you are answering Sentence Correction questions, seek to become aware of how you are going about answering them. For instance, are you being careful and looking for logic and details, or are you quickly eliminating choices that sound a little off, and then choosing the best of the rest? If you choose an incorrect answer, consider what you did that resulted in your arriving at that answer and what you could do differently in order to arrive at correct answers more consistently. Furthermore, see how many questions you can get correct in a row as you practice. If you break your streak by missing one, consider what you could have done differently that would have extended your streak.

As with your Critical Reasoning and Reading Comprehension regimens, after learning a particular Sentence Correction topic, engage in focused practice with 30 questions or more that involve that topic. As your Sentence Correction skills improve, you will then want to practice with Sentence Correction questions that test you on skills from multiple Sentence Correction topics.

So, work on accuracy and generally finding correct answers, work on specific weaker areas one by one to make them strong areas, and when you take a practice GMAT or the real thing, take all the time per question available to do your absolute best to get right answers consistently. The GMAT is essentially a game of seeing how many right answers you can get in the time allotted. Approach the test with that conception in mind, and focus intently on the question in front of you with one goal in mind: getting a CORRECT answer.

In order to follow the path described above, you may need some new verbal and quant materials, so take a look at the GMAT Club reviews for the best quant and verbal courses.

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07 Oct 2018, 07:17
Hello !

Quick update, I bought the GMAT official quantitative guide and went through that thoroughly and gave two practise tests and got 660 in both (V38+Q44 & V40+Q40)

These were tests on the official portal. Also, I did some research and I think any score above 600 would suffice!

My retake is tomorrow and hopefully should get around the same score tomorrow as well!

Will update

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