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Since dogs may be attracted to alcoholic beverages left out by the motel guests, it is strongly recommended to keep drinks and bottles out of their reach at all times.

(a) it is strongly recommended to keep drinks and bottles out of their
(b) it is highly recommended that drinks and bottles be kept out of dogs'
(c) it strongly recommended to keep drinks and bottles out of dogs'
(d) it is highly recommended that drinks and bottles are kept out of dogs'
(e) it is highly recommended to keep drinks and bottles out of dogs'

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Originally posted by Nightfury14 on 11 Dec 2016, 01:33.
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OA has to be B.

The given sentence is in a Subjunctive form with the trigger word "Recommended". It needs to be followed by "THAT". And,the verb in a Subjunctive sentence should always be Singular, hence "be kept" is correct.


nguyendinhtuong - Thanks for the response.

Hi winionhi, the reason i uploaded this question is to confirm whether "recommend" acts a subjunctive or it should be used with a "to verb".
Btw, the option (E) is correct. the question is, is option (B) correct as well??

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Certain bossy verbs can be used both with a subjunctive and with an infinitive - "recommend" is such a verb. However when using the subjunctive, it is preferred that the doer of the action (action = the verb in subjunctive mood) is kept as the subject of the clause containing the subjunctive (i.e. in active voice), because the demand (depicting the subjunctive) is from the doer of the action. The first sentence below is preferred to the second:

1. I recommend that you eat an apple everyday. correct... demand is from "you".
2. I recommend that an apple be eaten by you everyday. wrong.... demand is not from "apple"

For the above reason option B is incorrect.
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Kindly share the reason for choosing a particular answer.
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Since dogs may be attracted to alcoholic beverages left out by the motel guests, it is strongly recommended to keep drinks and bottles out of their reach at all times.

(a) it is strongly recommended to keep drinks and bottles out of their
(b) it is highly recommended that drinks and bottles be kept out of dogs' reach at all times.
(c) it strongly recommended to keep drinks and bottles out of dogs'
(d) it is highly recommended that drinks and bottles are kept out of dogs' reach at all times.
(e) it is highly recommended to keep drinks and bottles out of dogs'


"reach at all times" is redundant in B and D.

In A, "their" is too far from "dogs" to link them.
In C, "it recommended" is incorrect.

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Since dogs may be attracted to alcoholic beverages left out by the motel guests, it is strongly recommended to keep drinks and bottles out of their reach at all times.

(a) it is strongly recommended to keep drinks and bottles out of their
(b) it is highly recommended that drinks and bottles be kept out of dogs' reach at all times.
(c) it strongly recommended to keep drinks and bottles out of dogs'
(d) it is highly recommended that drinks and bottles are kept out of dogs' reach at all times.
(e) it is highly recommended to keep drinks and bottles out of dogs'


"reach at all times" is redundant in B and D.

In A, "their" is too far from "dogs" to link them.
In C, "it recommended" is incorrect.

E left.


Regret, that was a formatting error.
Corrected the same. Thanks
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Nightfury14 wrote:
Since dogs may be attracted to alcoholic beverages left out by the motel guests, it is strongly recommended to keep drinks and bottles out of their reach at all times.

(a) it is strongly recommended to keep drinks and bottles out of their
(b) it is highly recommended that drinks and bottles be kept out of dogs'
(c) it strongly recommended to keep drinks and bottles out of dogs'
(d) it is highly recommended that drinks and bottles are kept out of dogs'
(e) it is highly recommended to keep drinks and bottles out of dogs'


(a) it is strongly recommended to keep drinks and bottles out of their
"their" is ambiguous

(b) it is highly recommended that drinks and bottles be kept out of dogs'
The recommendation is for the motel guests, so active form is preferred here. E is better version.

(c) it strongly recommended to keep drinks and bottles out of dogs'
"it recommended" is incorrect

(d) it is highly recommended that drinks and bottles are kept out of dogs'
"recommend that" is bossy verb, so "are" is incorrect. "be" instead.

(e) it is highly recommended to keep drinks and bottles out of dogs'
Correct. The idiom is: "it is highly recommended to do sth".
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(a) it is strongly recommended to keep drinks and bottles out of their --> 'their' is dangling modifier
(b) it is highly recommended that drinks and bottles be kept out of dogs' --> 'that drinks and bottles' is wrong (passive voice too)
(c) it strongly recommended to keep drinks and bottles out of dogs' --> 'it strongly..' is wrong
(d) it is highly recommended that drinks and bottles are kept out of dogs' --> 'are kept' is wrong
(e) it is highly recommended to keep drinks and bottles out of dogs' --> correct
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Can someone please explain why 'B' is wrong. I read through the existing posts but I'm not sure if I completely understand the reason.
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OA has to be B.

The given sentence is in a Subjunctive form with the trigger word "Recommended". It needs to be followed by "THAT". And,the verb in a Subjunctive sentence should always be Singular, hence "be kept" is correct.
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OA has to be B.

The given sentence is in a Subjunctive form with the trigger word "Recommended". It needs to be followed by "THAT". And,the verb in a Subjunctive sentence should always be Singular, hence "be kept" is correct.


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Hi winionhi, the reason i uploaded this question is to confirm whether "recommend" acts a subjunctive or it should be used with a "to verb".
Btw, the option (E) is correct. the question is, is option (B) correct as well??

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OA : E

A -- usage of their is not clear
B-- Passive
C -- It recommended is incorrect
D-- be is required not are
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OA has to be B.

The given sentence is in a Subjunctive form with the trigger word "Recommended". It needs to be followed by "THAT". And,the verb in a Subjunctive sentence should always be Singular, hence "be kept" is correct.


nguyendinhtuong - Thanks for the response.

Hi winionhi, the reason i uploaded this question is to confirm whether "recommend" acts a subjunctive or it should be used with a "to verb".
Btw, the option (E) is correct. the question is, is option (B) correct as well??

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Certain bossy verbs can be used both with a subjunctive and with an infinitive - "recommend" is such a verb. However when using the subjunctive, it is preferred that the doer of the action (action = the verb in subjunctive mood) is kept as the subject of the clause containing the subjunctive (i.e. in active voice), because the demand (depicting the subjunctive) is from the doer of the action. The first sentence bellow is preferred to the second:

1. I recommend that you eat an apple everyday. correct... demand is from "you".
2. I recommend that an apple be eaten by you everyday. wrong.... demand is not from "apple"

For the above reason option B is incorrect.


Thanks for the explanation.
My doubt persists because egmat's SC specifies
Subjunctive' Required - Demand/ Dictate/ Insist/ Mandate/ Propose/ Recommend/ Request/ Stipulate/ Suggest
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nguyendinhtuong - Thanks for the response.

Hi winionhi, the reason i uploaded this question is to confirm whether "recommend" acts a subjunctive or it should be used with a "to verb".
Btw, the option (E) is correct. the question is, is option (B) correct as well??

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Certain bossy verbs can be used both with a subjunctive and with an infinitive - "recommend" is such a verb. However when using the subjunctive, it is preferred that the doer of the action (action = the verb in subjunctive mood) is kept as the subject of the clause containing the subjunctive (i.e. in active voice), because the demand (depicting the subjunctive) is from the doer of the action. The first sentence bellow is preferred to the second:

1. I recommend that you eat an apple everyday. correct... demand is from "you".
2. I recommend that an apple be eaten by you everyday. wrong.... demand is not from "apple"

For the above reason option B is incorrect.


Thanks for the explanation.
My doubt persists because egmat's SC specifies
Subjunctive' Required - Demand/ Dictate/ Insist/ Mandate/ Propose/ Recommend/ Request/ Stipulate/ Suggest
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In that case let me try to explain from an entirely different perspective why option E is grammatically alright:

Here "it" is a placeholder. A placeholder "it" can be used to hold the position of an infinitive subject that is postponed to the end of the sentence. Here the subject is "to keep drinks and bottles out of dogs' reach at all times" - this subject is shifted to the end of the sentence and the placeholder "it" takes its position in the beginning of the sentence. The construction without the placeholder "it" is as follows:

To keep drinks and bottles out of dogs' reach at all times is recommended.

There is no issue with the usage of subjunctive or infinite in this analysis.
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In that case let me try to explain from an entirely different perspective why option E is grammatically alright:

Here "it" is a placeholder. A placeholder "it" can be used to hold the position of an infinitive subject that is postponed to the end of the sentence. Here the subject is "to keep drinks and bottles out of dogs' reach at all times" - this subject is shifted to the end of the sentence and the placeholder "it" takes its position in the beginning of the sentence. The construction without the placeholder "it" is as follows:

To keep drinks and bottles out of dogs' reach at all times is recommended.

There is no issue with the usage of subjunctive or infinite in this analysis.


Can you please help to understand in detail why B is incorrect? I blindly marked B since it was the only one which followed the structure.
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In that case let me try to explain from an entirely different perspective why option E is grammatically alright:

Here "it" is a placeholder. A placeholder "it" can be used to hold the position of an infinitive subject that is postponed to the end of the sentence. Here the subject is "to keep drinks and bottles out of dogs' reach at all times" - this subject is shifted to the end of the sentence and the placeholder "it" takes its position in the beginning of the sentence. The construction without the placeholder "it" is as follows:

To keep drinks and bottles out of dogs' reach at all times is recommended.

There is no issue with the usage of subjunctive or infinite in this analysis.


Can you please help to understand in detail why B is incorrect? I blindly marked B since it was the only one which followed the structure.


The following post describes why B is incorrect:
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In that case let me try to explain from an entirely different perspective why option E is grammatically alright:

Here "it" is a placeholder. A placeholder "it" can be used to hold the position of an infinitive subject that is postponed to the end of the sentence. Here the subject is "to keep drinks and bottles out of dogs' reach at all times" - this subject is shifted to the end of the sentence and the placeholder "it" takes its position in the beginning of the sentence. The construction without the placeholder "it" is as follows:

To keep drinks and bottles out of dogs' reach at all times is recommended.

There is no issue with the usage of subjunctive or infinite in this analysis.


Can you please help to understand in detail why B is incorrect? I blindly marked B since it was the only one which followed the structure.


The following post describes why B is incorrect:
since-dogs-may-be-attracted-to-alcoholic-beverages-230439.html#p1776550



Thank you. I did read that post but got confused by your statement : "Certain bossy verbs can be used both with a subjunctive and with an infinitive - "recommend" is such a verb".

As per MGMAT, recommend is a verb that ONLY takes subjunctive form.
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Can you please help to understand in detail why B is incorrect? I blindly marked B since it was the only one which followed the structure.


The following post describes why B is incorrect:
since-dogs-may-be-attracted-to-alcoholic-beverages-230439.html#p1776550



Thank you. I did read that post but got confused by your statement : "Certain bossy verbs can be used both with a subjunctive and with an infinitive - "recommend" is such a verb".

As per MGMAT, recommend is a verb that ONLY takes subjunctive form.



Yes, you are right - I checked with MGMAT and found that recommend can ONLY take the subjunctive, but not the infinitive form. However the subjunctive should be constructed in such a way that it is clear to whom the recommendation is made ( generally in active voice - e.g. I recommend that you eat apple ..NOT I recommend that an apple be eaten). Thus although B takes the subjunctive form, the construction is wrong.

As for option E, I have already described in my previous post why the construction is not to be considered recommend + infinitive form. Here the infinitive to keep drinks and bottles.. is the subject of the main clause (postponed by the placeholder "it").
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Since dogs may be attracted to alcoholic beverages left out by the motel guests, it is strongly recommended to keep drinks and bottles out of their reach at all times.

(a) it is strongly recommended to keep drinks and bottles out of their
(b) it is highly recommended that drinks and bottles be kept out of dogs'
(c) it strongly recommended to keep drinks and bottles out of dogs'
(d) it is highly recommended that drinks and bottles are kept out of dogs'
(e) it is highly recommended to keep drinks and bottles out of dogs'


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Hello all!
according to the Manhattan SC guide of 2012 the verb recommend takes only the command subjunctive.
I would really appreciate it if anyone from the Manhattan team could shed some light on this particular question.
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