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# Studied the Quant Books (1,2,3,4,5). Now What?

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19 Sep 2018, 09:28
Hi Team,

I started studying for GMAT like a month ago. I finished a week ago the 5 Quant books of Manhattan Prep GMAT. I don't know what to do next. (wasted a week since then). So far I just studied and solved all the problems in these books. What's next:
-Access online resources of Manhattan (which I don't know how)
- Take a dummy test to access my current status (haven't taken that test yet).

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19 Sep 2018, 16:30
Hi mekhdi,

At this point in your studies, you should plan to take FULL-LENGTH CATs (with the Essay and IR sections) under realistic conditions and at regular intervals. From your post, it's not clear whether you have taken ANY practice CATs yet, so it would be a good idea to take a FULL-LENGTH practice CAT Test; you can take 2 for free at www.mba.com (and they come with some additional practice materials). That score will give us a good sense of your current strengths and weaknesses and will help provide a basis for comparison as you continue to study. A FULL CAT takes about 3.5 hours to complete, so make sure that you've set aside enough time to take it in one sitting. Once you have those scores, you should report back here and we can discuss how best to proceed with your studies.

I'd like to know a bit more about your timeline and goals:
1) What is your goal score?
2) When are you planning to take the GMAT?
3) When are you planning to apply to Business School?

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19 Sep 2018, 20:22
Hi Rich,

My goal is the following:
-my goal score is above 720
- my plan is to take the exam end of December
- school: top 10 (INSEAD, etc.)

My weakness would be the Verbal part of the GMAT.
I’ll do the CAT and will reply to this post!

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20 Sep 2018, 06:22
mekhdi wrote:
Hi Rich,

My goal is the following:
-my goal score is above 720
- my plan is to take the exam end of December
- school: top 10 (INSEAD, etc.)

My weakness would be the Verbal part of the GMAT.
I’ll do the CAT and will reply to this post!

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Hi mekhdi,

Yes, Please take the GMATPrep CAT (download from mba.com). Analyse it to find what is next. If you do good in quant then still keep doing the quizzes so that you stay in rythm and do not commit silly mistakes for being out of touch. For Verbal, Practice and Revise everyday. Official questions are all you need. So do and re-do those questions.

Keep this order for prep:

1. Take the CAT
2. Review
3. Learn and Practice
4. Review again

Do from 1-4 again and again. Not only the CAT score but how comfortable do you feel taking the CAT will let you know if you're ready.

For any follow-up questions please post. Happy to help.
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21 Sep 2018, 05:15
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Hi mekhdi,

At this point in your studies, you should plan to take FULL-LENGTH CATs (with the Essay and IR sections) under realistic conditions and at regular intervals. From your post, it's not clear whether you have taken ANY practice CATs yet, so it would be a good idea to take a FULL-LENGTH practice CAT Test; you can take 2 for free at http://www.mba.com (and they come with some additional practice materials). That score will give us a good sense of your current strengths and weaknesses and will help provide a basis for comparison as you continue to study. A FULL CAT takes about 3.5 hours to complete, so make sure that you've set aside enough time to take it in one sitting. Once you have those scores, you should report back here and we can discuss how best to proceed with your studies.

I'd like to know a bit more about your timeline and goals:
1) What is your goal score?
2) When are you planning to take the GMAT?
3) When are you planning to apply to Business School?

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Hi Rich,

As you suggested, I did the mba.com official practice test #1. I selected the sequence: Quant -> Verbal -> Integrated reasoning -> Writing. I lost stamina in the IR section

This was my score:

Quant: 9 wrong out of 31 questions. Scale 50. Percentile 86
Verbal: 16 wrong out of 36 questions. Scale 31. Percentile 62
Integrated Reasoning: 7 wrong from 12 questions. Scale 5. Percentile 55

Overall score 670.

Let me know how should I proceed with my studies. I'm planning to solve all the problems Quant problems from OG'17. And then go for the Verbal of th Manhattan Prep books 6,7,& 8 .
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21 Sep 2018, 11:01
Hi mekhdi,

Assuming that you took this CAT under realistic conditions, this is a really strong initial Score (the average Score on the Official GMAT hovers around 550 most years). Based on this result, at this point you should be focused more on the Verbal section than on the Quant section (as you have a much bigger opportunity to pick up points in the Verbal).

I suggest that you study as you like for the next 2 weeks (again, on Verbal subjects), then take a new FULL-LENGTH CAT - and make sure to take it in as realistic a fashion as possible (take the FULL CAT - with the Essay and IR sections, take it away from your home, at the same time of day as when you'll take the Official GMAT, etc.). Once you have that next score, we'll be better able to see how consistent you are and whether 'your way' of studying is leading to improvement or not.

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22 Sep 2018, 19:41
mekhdi wrote:
This was my score:

Quant: 9 wrong out of 31 questions. Scale 50. Percentile 86
Verbal: 16 wrong out of 36 questions. Scale 31. Percentile 62
Integrated Reasoning: 7 wrong from 12 questions. Scale 5. Percentile 55

Overall score 670.
That's a very good score to get on your first practice test, and a Q50 would be amazing on any test. Just a little push in verbal, and you should be looking at a score greater than 720. Don't worry too much about the 5 on IR.
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23 Sep 2018, 11:20
AjiteshArun wrote:
mekhdi wrote:
This was my score:

Quant: 9 wrong out of 31 questions. Scale 50. Percentile 86
Verbal: 16 wrong out of 36 questions. Scale 31. Percentile 62
Integrated Reasoning: 7 wrong from 12 questions. Scale 5. Percentile 55

Overall score 670.
That's a very good score to get on your first practice test, and a Q50 would be amazing on any test. Just a little push in verbal, and you should be looking at a score greater than 720. Don't worry too much about the 5 on IR.

Hi Ajitesh,

I'm not sure about the scale score 50. I made 9 mistakes out of 31! Maybe the score doesn't represent the real GMAT score because people try this sample test early one in their study,rather than being prepared for the test.
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23 Sep 2018, 15:44
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Hi Ajitesh,

I'm not sure about the scale score 50. I made 9 mistakes out of 31! Maybe the score doesn't represent the real GMAT score because people try this sample test early one in their study,rather than being prepared for the test.
That's not how the GMATPrep works

The GMATPrep sees all its questions exactly the same way that the actual GMAT did (back when those questions were on the actual test). To put it another way, the characteristics (including the difficulty level) of these questions do not change as a result of anything that happens on the GMATPrep tests. This is not to say that you should not work on your quant. You should. It's just that the major gains are more likely to come from verbal.
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24 Sep 2018, 11:10
mekhdi wrote:
Hi Team,

I started studying for GMAT like a month ago. I finished a week ago the 5 Quant books of Manhattan Prep GMAT. I don't know what to do next. (wasted a week since then). So far I just studied and solved all the problems in these books. What's next:
-Access online resources of Manhattan (which I don't know how)
- Take a dummy test to access my current status (haven't taken that test yet).

Thank you!

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After studying Manhattan GMAT Quant Guides,
1. Practice Official Guide Questions
2. Take some Quant CATs to insure your position in Quant and switch to Verbal only if you have achieved a minimum Q45 You should start Verbal Section with Manhattan SC Guide, CR at 2nd and RC in the last.

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27 Sep 2018, 09:36
Hi mekhdi,

For starters, an initial practice test score of 670 with a Q50 is awesome! If you can raise your verbal score, you will have one heck of an overall score. Your plan moving forward seems solid; just monitor your progress to ensure that you are improving your verbal skills.

Once you feel as though you have improved, take another CAT and report back here with your score breakdown.

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01 Jan 2019, 10:25
EMPOWERgmatRichC wrote:
Hi mekhdi,

Assuming that you took this CAT under realistic conditions, this is a really strong initial Score (the average Score on the Official GMAT hovers around 550 most years). Based on this result, at this point you should be focused more on the Verbal section than on the Quant section (as you have a much bigger opportunity to pick up points in the Verbal).

I suggest that you study as you like for the next 2 weeks (again, on Verbal subjects), then take a new FULL-LENGTH CAT - and make sure to take it in as realistic a fashion as possible (take the FULL CAT - with the Essay and IR sections, take it away from your home, at the same time of day as when you'll take the Official GMAT, etc.). Once you have that next score, we'll be better able to see how consistent you are and whether 'your way' of studying is leading to improvement or not.

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It took me 3 months to juggle between work and the study for GMAT verbal. I completed the three verbal Manhatan Prep verbal books with 70% average correct questions.

Yesterday, I took the Practice Test 2 of GMAT official practice as you recommended.
I'm a sad that I scored lower than my first attempt! The score dropped from 670 to 600. I was hoping for an improvement in the verbal section and that didn't happen .

Quant score is 47 (63rd percentile) vs 50 (86th percentile) in the 1st attempt.
Verbal score is 25 (40th percentile) vs 31 (62nd percentile) in the 1st attempt.

I'm confident that the quant part can be improved via repetitive review of the material, but I'm not sure about the verbal part!
What do you suggest me to do next?
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01 Jan 2019, 12:44
Hi mekhdi,

GMAT skills can 'fade' over time, so if you have been inconsistent with your studies over the last 3.5 months, then this drop in your scores would not be too surprising. From your prior posts, it was not clear when you were planning to apply to Business School (and that will factor into how you should study going forward. Raising a 600 to the point that you could consistently score 720+ will likely require at least another 2 months of consistent, guided study. Thankfully, the GMAT is a consistent, predictable Exam, so you CAN train to score at a higher level.

1) Are you planning to apply to Business School sometime in the next several months? If that is the case, then what are the specific application deadlines that you are considering?
2) Going forward, how many hours do you think you can consistently study each week?

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04 Jan 2019, 03:34
EMPOWERgmatRichC wrote:
Hi mekhdi,

1) Are you planning to apply to Business School sometime in the next several months? If that is the case, then what are the specific application deadlines that you are considering?
2) Going forward, how many hours do you think you can consistently study each week?

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Hi Rich,
Apparently my Math skills faded over the past three months. And no improvement in the English part.
I'm aiming to apply for the earliest round 1 (I'm not sure when is that. I know HBS's 2018-2019 round 2 deadline is today.)
I'm aiming at studying 1-2.5 hours/day over the weekday and 3.5-7 hours/day over the weekend. ~15 to 25 hours per week.
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Hi mekhdi,

Thank you for reaching back out. So, since you have been studying for 3 months and have yet to substantially improve your verbal score, it’s likely that there are some major gaps in your verbal skills that must be addressed. Furthermore, since you scored a V25 and V31, it’s clear that you lack some fundamental verbal skills necessary for a high score, right? Thus, you may need to circle back and relearn the foundations of GMAT verbal prior to moving to more advanced concepts.

For example, when studying Critical Reasoning, you need to ensure that you fully understand the essence of the various Critical Reasoning question types. Do you know the importance of an assumption within an argument? Can you easily spot a conclusion? Do you know how to resolve a paradox? Do you know how to properly evaluate cause and effect? Do you know how to properly weaken or strengthen an argument? These are just a few examples; you really need to take a deep dive into the individual topics to develop the necessary skills to properly attack any Critical Reasoning questions that you encounter.

As you learn each Critical Reasoning problem type, do focused practice so that you can track your skill in answering each type of question. If, for example, you incorrectly answered a Weaken the Argument question, ask yourself why. Did you make a careless mistake? Did you not recognize the specific question type? Were you doing too much analysis in your head? Did you skip over a keyword in an answer choice? You must thoroughly analyze your mistakes and seek to turn weaknesses into strengths by focusing on the question types you dread seeing and the questions you take a long time to answer correctly.

Sentence Correction is a bit of a different animal compared to Reading Comprehension and Critical Reasoning. There are three aspects to getting correct answers to GMAT Sentence Correction questions: what you know, such as grammar rules, what you see, such as violations of grammar rules and the logic of sentence structure, and what you do, such as carefully considering each answer choice in the context of the non-underlined portion of the sentence. To drive up your Sentence Correction score, you likely will have to work on all three of those aspects. Furthermore, the likely reason that your Sentence Correction performance has not improved is that you have not been working on all three of those aspects.

Regarding what you know, first and foremost, you MUST know your grammar rules. Let's be clear, though: GMAT Sentence Correction is not just a test of knowledge of grammar rules. The reason for learning grammar rules is so that you can determine what sentences convey and whether sentences are well-constructed. In fact, in many cases, incorrect answers to Sentence Correction questions are grammatically flawless. Thus, often your task is to use your knowledge of grammar rules to determine which answer choice creates the most logical sentence meaning and structure.

This determination of whether sentences are well-constructed and logical is the second aspect of finding correct answers to Sentence Correction questions, what you see. To develop this skill, you probably have to slow way down. You won't develop this skill by spending under two minutes per question. For a while, anyway, you have to spend time with each question, maybe even ten or fifteen minutes on one question sometimes, analyzing every answer choice until you see the details that you have to see in order to choose the correct answer. As you go through the answer choices, consider the meaning conveyed by each version of the sentence. Does the meaning make sense? Even if you can tell what the version is SUPPOSED to convey, does the version really convey that meaning? Is there a verb to go with the subject? Do all pronouns clearly refer to nouns? By slowing way down and looking for these details, you learn to see what you have to see in order to clearly understand which answer to a Sentence Correction question is correct.

There is only one correct answer to any Sentence Correction question, there are clear reasons why that choice is correct and the others are not, and those reasons are not that the correct version simply "sounds right." In fact, the correct version often sounds a little off at first. That correct answers may sound a little off is not surprising. If the correct answer were always the one that sounded right, then most people most of the time would get Sentence Correction questions correct, without really knowing why the wrong answers were wrong and the correct answers were correct. So, you have to go beyond choosing what "sounds right" and learn to clearly see the logical reasons why one choice is better than all of the others.

As for the third aspect of getting Sentence Correction questions correct, what you do, the main thing you have to do is be very careful. You have to make sure that you are truly considering the structures of sentences and the meanings conveyed rather than allowing yourself to be tricked into choosing trap answers that sound right but don't convey logical meanings. You also have to make sure that you put some real energy into finding the correct answers. Finding the correct answer to a Sentence Correction question may take bouncing from choice to choice repeatedly until you start to see the differences between the choices that make all choices wrong except for one. Often, when you first look at the choices, only one or two seem obviously incorrect. Getting the right answers takes a certain work ethic. You have to be determined to see the differences and figure out the precise reasons that one choice is correct.

To improve what you do when you answer Sentence Correction questions, seek to become aware of how you are going about answering them. Are you being careful and looking for logic and details, or are you quickly eliminating choices that sound a little off and then choosing the best of the rest? If you choose an incorrect answer, consider what you did that resulted in your arriving at that answer and what you could do differently in order to arrive at correct answers more consistently. Furthermore, see how many questions you can get correct in a row as you practice. If you break your streak by missing one, consider what you could have done differently to extend your streak.

As with your Critical Reasoning and Reading Comprehension regimens, after learning a particular Sentence Correction topic, engage in focused practice with 30 questions or more that involve that topic. As your skills improve, you will then want to practice with questions that test you on skills from multiple Sentence Correction topics.

Feel free to reach out with any questions.

Good luck!
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04 Jan 2019, 12:06
Hi mekhdi,

The Round 1 deadlines for many Programs is in September, so if you're not planning to apply until that time, then you have plenty of time to study. That having been said, if you want to be efficient with your studies - and finish all of this up sooner rather than later, then you would need to commit to a consistent study routine now - with a focus on learning and practicing the proper Tactics (for BOTH the Quant and Verbal sections).

Based on the available study time you described in your last post, would you be able to commit to that schedule for the next 2 or 3 months? Will there be any times that you need to 'pause' your studies (and if so, when would that be and for how long?)?

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