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Studies show that young people with higher-than-average blood pressure and their families have a history of high blood pressure are more likely than others to develop a severe form of the condition.

(A) and their families have a history of high blood pressure

(B) whose families have a history of high blood pressure

(C) and a history of high blood pressure runs in the family

(D) whose families have a history of high blood pressure running in them

(E) with a history of high blood pressure running in their family

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In this problem, I chose A, although I really didn't like this option, but it was the best I found out of all the options. The OA is B, but the reason I didn't choose B is that the "whose families have a history of high blood pressure" seem to talk about the "average blood pressure" that comes right before it rather than about the "young people." The "whose families" should refer back to "young people" if a comma were placed right before option B, then it would make sense to me. The reason a comma is important is that we already have a prepositional phrase "with higher-than-average blood pressure" already after our target subject, so a comma is important so that the relative pronoun "whose" can refer all the way back to our target subject. But there is no comma, so the "whose" part, according to the rules of grammar, must refer to the noun directly attached to it. Can any grammar experts help me out with this? I'll really appreciate it.
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New post 15 Mar 2008, 11:54
A is incorrect grammar.
I chose B.
Agreed that there should be a comma in B, but from the choices provided, B is the best option.
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New post 15 Mar 2008, 13:38
I managed to find the answer to my own question. According to a grammar book that I have:

"As a rule, not more than two compliments or two qualifiers may be run on each other to describe the noun that proceeds them."

Does this help? Hope it does!

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New post 15 Mar 2008, 17:38
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Could you please explain a bit more how you concluded "whose families have a history of high blood pressure" seems NOT to talk about the "average blood pressure" and only about the young people.

two qualifier can be there, but in the Q is the second qualifier of "people" or first qualifier of "blood pressure".
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Ok, i'll rewrite the whole sentence with its correct answer, but i'll also place the qualifiers in parenthesis so that you can see them better:

Studies show that young people (with higher-than-average blood pressure) (whose families have a history of high blood pressure) are more likely than others to develop a severe form of the condition.

as you can see, "with higher....." is a discriptive phrase describing "young people," then right after that, we have another descriptive phrase that runs immediately after it (whose families.....). Because it is perfectly fine to have 2 phrases running after each other, the "whose families" is also describing the same noun "young people." If there was also a third phrase that would come right after "whose families.....", THEN we MUST have a comma in order to avoid any reference confusion. However, according to the grammar rule, it is perfectly fine to have two descriptive phrases running after each other like our problem above.

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New post 16 Mar 2008, 03:14
I really appriate your contribution to the forum, amidst your hectic gmat prep. time. :good

But I have another Q, why are we sure sure that "(whose families have a history of high blood pressure)" is not related to "blood pressure". Don't think I am insane, but though logically its correct but whats the grammatical explanation for that.

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Studies show that young people (with higher-than-average blood pressure) (whose types are not yet known by doctors ) are more likely than others to develop a severe form of the condition.

From the above transformation, "whose" becomes relevent to "blood pressure".

So , its a logical conclusion.

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New post 16 Mar 2008, 05:52
I really think it's about being logical about it. Since we know about the rule that 2 descriptive phrases can run after each other, if you think that the second phrase is describing the first phrase, then take a look to see if the connection between the 2 phrases is logical. If the connection isn't logical, then it must be referring to the noun before the first phrase. As long as the grammar rule isn't broken, then it should be acceptable. On the other hand, if the 2 phrases could logically describe each other, but this is not the intension of the sentence, then a comma in this case would be necessary.

Also, when you take a look at other answer choices, doesn't answer choice B seem to be the least damaging answer? Although the correct answer choice may not necessarily present its grammar structure in the most ideal way, the correct answer choice must be the choice that, at least, has the least damage as possible.

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Yes u r correct !
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New post 30 Oct 2009, 05:43
A little explanation, but maybe that won't be enough for you ... i'm not a grammar expert, it's just a feeling.

(A) and their families have a history of high blood pressure (construction is strange. Subject + and their families + Verbe (linked to subject))
(B) whose families have a history of high blood pressure (whose refer to the subject, good construction, not wordy)
(C) and a history of high blood pressure runs in the family (maybe it's correct but I found the construction odd)
(D) whose families have a history of high blood pressure running in them (Bad construction)
(E) with a history of high blood pressure running in their family (Odd...)

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(A) and their families have a history of high blood pressure - Meaning is changed
(B) whose families have a history of high blood pressure - Correct
(C) and a history of high blood pressure runs in the family - runs is the wrong tense
(D) whose families have a history of high blood pressure running in them - this construction implies that the history is running in them which is illogical
(E) with a history of high blood pressure running in their family - you can't have with/with "and" is required before to create the parallelism.

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Can you please let us know the source of the SC. Also underlying the sentence in the Q would help us :)

IMO, even with OA B (which looks the best among options), it doesn't look correct:

Studies show that young people with higher-than-average blood pressure whose families have a history of high blood pressure are more likely than others to develop a severe form of the condition.

I feel there should be a comma or "and" to connect the two sections

Studies show that young people with higher-than-average blood pressure, and whose families have a history of high blood pressure, are more likely than others to develop a severe form of the condition.

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will go for B for two reasons: sounds better and other choices are awkward.

a. run-on sentence
b. sure, WHOSE looks like modifying HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE. But when expressed, it is clearly modifying PEOPLE.
c. sounds like 'a history of high blood' are more likely ....to develop condition.
d. 'history of high blood pressure running' unidiomatic/awkward...'them' referring to what??
e. just plain odd.

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Can you please let us know the source of the SC. Also underlying the sentence in the Q would help us :)

IMO, even with OA B (which looks the best among options), it doesn't look correct:

Studies show that young people with higher-than-average blood pressure whose families have a history of high blood pressure are more likely than others to develop a severe form of the condition.

I feel there should be a comma or "and" to connect the two sections

Studies show that young people with higher-than-average blood pressure, and whose families have a history of high blood pressure, are more likely than others to develop a severe form of the condition.



I also felt as something was missing (either "," or "and"). However, looked like the best option among the others.

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I dont think we need a COMMA before AND. As per your reasoning ", and whose" is incorrectly modifying the young ppl and also we have two clauses while the second has be an dependent clause.

If you read the last non-underlined part, we have a comparison - are more likely than others. For this likely than others, we need the plural subject modified by some characteristics, which is in B.

I think if we have COMMA before and after the entire part in B then that will be correctly modified correct answer:

Studies show that young people with higher-than-average blood pressure, whose families have a history of high blood pressure, are more likely than others to develop a severe form of the condition.


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Can you please let us know the source of the SC. Also underlying the sentence in the Q would help us :)

IMO, even with OA B (which looks the best among options), it doesn't look correct:

Studies show that young people with higher-than-average blood pressure whose families have a history of high blood pressure are more likely than others to develop a severe form of the condition.

I feel there should be a comma or "and" to connect the two sections

Studies show that young people with higher-than-average blood pressure, and whose families have a history of high blood pressure, are more likely than others to develop a severe form of the condition.

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As per my source, OA is E.
I was with B, but, reading again, it seems that in B, the people have more than one family...?
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As per my source, OA is E.
I was with B, but, reading again, it seems that in B, the people have more than one family...?


Could anybody clarify whether OA is B or E.
According to my source, OA is E. E can be the answer because is ||: people with X and with.

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IMO B.. this one is pretty straight forward.

"whose families have a history of high blood pressure" correctly continues the first part of the sentence..
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The experts please clarify!! I went for E too but not sure what the OA is?!?!

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what is the OA , please explain. I went for B as well

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Studies show that young people with higher-than-average blood pressure and their families have a history of high blood pressure are more likely than others to develop a severe form of the condition.

(A) and their families have a history of high blood pressure

(B) whose families have a history of high blood pressure

(C) and a history of high blood pressure runs in the family

(D) whose families have a history of high blood pressure running in them

(E) with a history of high blood pressure running in their family

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