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17 Jul 2011, 19:35
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I should probably know this but I don't - in fact I am very confused. When should a "that/which" modifier be used as opposed to an "-ing" modifier.?
"All you have to do is to fill in the details, including your name and address and the amount you wish to give."
vs.
"All you have to do is to fill in the details that/which includes your name and address and the amount you wish to give."
What are the correct grammatical rules?
Please do not restrict the discussion to my example only.
Thanks a lot for help!!!
"All you have to do is to fill in the details, including your name and address and the amount you wish to give."
vs.
"All you have to do is to fill in the details that/which includes your name and address and the amount you wish to give."
What are the correct grammatical rules?
Please do not restrict the discussion to my example only.
Thanks a lot for help!!!
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22 Jul 2011, 01:16
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In this case, the first sentence is better. Here, "including" introduces an adverbial modifier that makes it clear which details you should provide. "Which" would indicate a noun modifier, which would indicate that the details themselves include the name and address. This isn't quite right--the name and address are details, they are not included by the details.
"That" would be incorrect as well, because that is used for essential modifiers. This means that it is used to narrow down the scope of what we are referring to:
The car that I want is over there.
The group that won the prize went out to celebrate.
Here, we are differentiating the particular car or group in question from other cars or groups. That wouldn't be appropriate in your example.
I also recently addressed some "which"-related concerns in another post: appositive-vs-relative-clause-117298.html#p950375
I hope this helps! Let me know if you have other examples or questions.
"That" would be incorrect as well, because that is used for essential modifiers. This means that it is used to narrow down the scope of what we are referring to:
The car that I want is over there.
The group that won the prize went out to celebrate.
Here, we are differentiating the particular car or group in question from other cars or groups. That wouldn't be appropriate in your example.
I also recently addressed some "which"-related concerns in another post: appositive-vs-relative-clause-117298.html#p950375
I hope this helps! Let me know if you have other examples or questions.
22 Jul 2011, 07:08
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Thanks DmitryFarber this is very helpful.
