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# The first time that Larry walked down the ramp, laden with

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The first time that Larry walked down the ramp, laden with packages, he tripped and nearly dislocated his shoulder.

(A) Larry walked down the ramp, laden with packages,
(B) Larry walked, laden with packages, down the ramp
(C) Larry walked down the ramp, with laden packages,
(D) Larry, laden with packages, walked down the ramp

I know this has been posted previously, but my question is very specific here :

can we use the past perfect tense as in E . If yes please explain and if not please explain.

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19 Dec 2009, 01:12
IMO past perfect as in E is def wrong as it signifies that after he walked down he tripped and disloacted , but the original meaning is during the walk he tripped

further A and D are close but in A i find a modifier error
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19 Dec 2009, 04:05
(A) Larry walked down the ramp, laden with packages,
LOOKS BEST STILL WOULD HAVE BEN BETTER IF THE laden WAS IMMEDIATELY AFTER
LARRY.
(B) Larry walked, laden with packages, down the ramp
INCORRECT,COMMA NEEDED AFTER RAMP....
(C) Larry walked down the ramp, with laden packages,
INCORRECT,LADEN PACKAGES is an incorrect usage
(D) Larry, laden with packages, walked down the ramp
INCORRECT,COMMA NEEDED AFTER RAMP
INCORRECT,HAD IS NOT NEEDED BECAUSE THE SERIES IS CLEAR
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19 Dec 2009, 04:42
acer2knight wrote:
The first time that Larry walked down the ramp, laden with packages, he tripped and nearly dislocated his shoulder.

(A) Larry walked down the ramp, laden with packages,
(B) Larry walked, laden with packages, down the ramp
(C) Larry walked down the ramp, with laden packages,
(D) Larry, laden with packages, walked down the ramp

I know this has been posted previously, but my question is very specific here :

can we use the past perfect tense as in E . If yes please explain and if not please explain.

Will definitely give +1 for a useful answer,

If the doer of the two action is the same person, We may not require past perfect tense, as it is easier for us to follow the two actions sequentially
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19 Dec 2009, 15:52
we use past perfect when one action preceds another (in the past)
for example
i gave her flowers , which i had bought for her...

first , i bought some flowers and after that gave (second action) them to her ...

so thats not the case here !

imo D
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22 Dec 2009, 03:33
xcusemeplz2009 wrote:
IMO past perfect as in E is def wrong as it signifies that after he walked down he tripped and dislocated , but the original meaning is during the walk he tripped

further A and D are close but in A i find a modifier error

IMO D - I totally agree with xcusemeplz2009.

If an action has happened earlier to another simple past action, then we use past perfect.
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22 Dec 2009, 05:46
ill go for A...
i dont think it has wrong modifier... what is laden with packages,it cant be larry but ramp
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22 Dec 2009, 22:26
A; dont see no issue with modifier... but will be happy to learn GMAT English...!

Also Folks, please please underline the text and leave the guess work out... unlike this question; but there are harder questions with modifiers which alter just after or before the underlines begins or ends...

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23 Dec 2009, 10:45
chetan2u wrote:
ill go for A...
i dont think it has wrong modifier... what is laden with packages,it cant be larry but ramp

There is real confusion:

Larry was laden with packages heavy enough to be carried easily, so he tripped. Its not ramp.

Also,
I think with packages being obstacles on ramp due to which Larry tripped may also be correct.

Watss the OA ????
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23 Dec 2009, 19:59
A has modifier issues. I will go with D. What is OA?
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06 Jan 2010, 07:20
OA is ... D

There are 3 traps here - one is that all verbs should be in the same tense (simple past) since its is all happening almost at the same time. (E is out )

Second trap is that Larry is laden with packages, not the ramp. (A, C are out)

Third trap is that this is not the first time Larry walked, as could be understood from B.

So the best answer is D
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06 Jan 2010, 07:33
guys, i ll go with A. D can't be true. The modifier laden with packages is for the ramp, but not for Larry. So the modifier shud be close to the ramp ...in D it means that Larry was laden with packages which might not be true...What say?
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06 Jan 2010, 07:58
urchin wrote:
chetan2u wrote:
ill go for A...
i dont think it has wrong modifier... what is laden with packages,it cant be larry but ramp

There is real confusion:

Larry was laden with packages heavy enough to be carried easily, so he tripped. Its not ramp.

Also,
I think with packages being obstacles on ramp due to which Larry tripped may also be correct.

Watss the OA ????

hi ifeel a person cannot be 'laden' , but he can 'carry' so it has to be the ramp that is laden...
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Re: Past Perfect or not....? [#permalink]

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06 Jan 2010, 08:01
I think A is better. D changes the meaning.

Larry, laden with packages, walked down the ramp
says he is "laden with packages" ..it shifts the focus, yet this looks grammatically correct, but , I think, the intension is different.

IMO A.
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06 Jan 2010, 14:58
IMO, Larry is the one laden with packages, not the ramp. Answer is D.
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06 Jan 2010, 15:10
D is awkward, but the only grammatically correct one. A incorrectly modifies the ramp instead of Larry.
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Re: Past Perfect or not....? [#permalink]

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08 Dec 2010, 01:55
People pay attention to the details.
1. Laden with packages should modify the ramp, can a person be laden with packages? Yes if he is sleeping and someone put packages on him
2. the sentence says he tripped! How de he trip? -> maybe because the ramp was laden with packages?

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08 Dec 2010, 11:49
OA is D.
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08 Dec 2010, 12:15
Answer is A or D; I don't see anything wrong with A though
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08 Dec 2010, 14:57
Hey guys,

To the original question of this post, you'll only use past perfect if:

Two things happened at different times in the past
It's necessary to designate that they happened at different times

So, for example, if I were to talk about a triathlon, I would say:

In last week's triathlon, I swam a mile, biked 40 miles, and ran 8 miles.

The intent of that sentence is to say that all three happened in the same event, so grammatically they all happened more or less "simultaneously".

If the intent of the sentence changes, though, then it may dictate the use of the past-perfect:

In last week's triathlon, I had already swam and biked nearly 50 miles before I even started running.

In this sentence, the intent is to separate the swim/bike to have happened at an earlier point in time than the run, and past-perfect tense accomplishes that grammatically.

So, as for the sentence in this thread, Larry walked, tripped, and fell all at the "same time" logically - it's all "the first time he walked down the ramp". Because we're talking about these three events in the same context of time, there's no need for past-perfect, so we'll only use past tense.

If the sentence were changed to something like:

"Larry had walked down the ramp dozens of times, but the first time he did so laden with packages he tripped and fell...", then there's a need for past-perfect, because we need to demonstrate that the previous walks happened at an earlier time.
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