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Hi souvik101990,

How would an Indian Comp Sci Engineer from a T-30 school who joined an international MM PE firm as an investment Analyst right out of undergrad perceived by the adcom?

I'm getting mixed responses from most folks, some say I'll be overshadowed by the MF PE candidates, some say PE experience - regardless of it being MM or MF, will put me in the "target candidate" category provided I get a high GMAT. Assuming that MFs hire only at the MBA level in India and there will be rarely anyone else from the space, how can I differentiate myself?

I still have 2-3 years to apply for an MBA, but I intend on working in PE for the entire duration and apply while I'm a Pre-MBA Associate.
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The Indian Male MBA Application Guide


As some of you may know, I have dabbled in the application process more than the average Joe (or the average Indian Ram). I have applied to schools for 2 years, had tremendous ups and downs, and finally, had reasonable success this year. I am not going to go into details as to which program I got into and which program did not deem me fit for their class, but through extensive conversations and observing 6-8 rounds of this process, I have come up with a reasonably sound explanations of Indian-friendly MBA programs.

BUT Before You Go On: Please note that NONE of my analysis are quite backed by extensive data mining. Narenn does that stuff and while I think most of my findings are anecdotal,
you might find merit in following some of my approaches. It is entirely up to you to believe my hypotheses, and I will certainly not entertain questions such as "What is your source?" - the evidence is anecdotal and I leave it up to you to believe/trust my judgement. Having said that, I have been helping people on GMAT Club for almost five years now. I would not just say things

Top Schools That Have Predictable Admissions Processes


This is what I mean by predictable - If you have hit top 80-90%ile of their class stats - you should expect an interview invite unless you have written really crappy essays. These B Schools have had a traditional way to of selecting candidates for interviews and it could be reasonably assumed that if you hit these stats, you are in a good place for an invite. These are the stats that one would have to hit to score an invite (although note that predictability will vary based on schools as I mentioned in the graph below).

Favourable Stats for Indian Males
  • GMAT - 740 or above.
  • Undergrad- IIT top 5-7, non IIT universities include - BITS, NITs, Delhi University, SRCC, JU, ANNA U. These are universities I know[/i. Of course there are MANY others, and if your GMAT is 740+ your undergrad pedigree may not matter as much. Of course it will help if you are from these universities or some other well known ones (think top 25 in India)
  • GPA - does not REALLY matter in my honest opinion, unless you have a visible Fail grade in your transcript. I have a very strong suspicion that Indian undergrad GPAs are not weighed in the same way as other geographies because the grading scale is completely non standard. Even for a low GPA, I would not bother writing an optional essay to explain
  • Experience- Blue chip companies will help a LOT. Especially if your company is F100 or even F500 (unless you are in a dead end IT back support role), you have a very clear chance of being taken seriously. For smaller companies, working with international clients will help, as will having foreign work experience — client work and what have you. For non profit roles, make sure to explain the scale and capacity of your nonprofit. I worked in nonprofits for five years - both big and small so I had an extra hurdle to overcome.

My Predictability Rankings




School Specific Tips


These are just the schools I have some idea about. Either I interviewed or know tons of people who did. As usual, take my advice with a bucketload of seasoning.

Wharton - While I did not score an invite myself, I know plenty who did. I think if you an Indian female with top scores and great pedigree in experience, you have a fairly decent shot here. However if you are an Indian male, I would be nervous unless you have a 750+ GMAT with a big name work ex and some international chops. Wharton has consistently kept its essays same over the last few years. I feel you can get away with mediocre school research (Wharton's website is overwhelmingly crowded so you will find something). I don't think networking will help a lot in Wharton. Wharton is a big school and it is not as insecure as a few others, so you don't have to work hard on build a pre existing network to the school. Also, culture is not really a thing a Wharton (Man, if a Wharton alum/current is reading this, I am sure he/she is rolling their eyes), so hard to go too deep there too.

MIT Sloan - I did interview at Sloan and had the liberty to a lot of research. I feel if you have innovation screaming from your resume, you have a decent shot at scoring an invite as long as you hit the basic stats of course. I would recommend reading/learning about their experiential labs and provide clear examples of how they will help you in your cover letter. Also, I am fairly confident with Sloan's trajectory of moving away from any video to mandating web cameras, they don't give a lot of significance to production quality. My video was basically an audition for the Blair-witch project.

Chicago Booth - I think Booth is really [i]really Indian friendly. 8-10 % of the class is Indian and that's saying something considering a pretty sizeable class size. I think Booth is pretty achievable for an interview invite if you hit ALL the stats - that means GMAT, Undergrad and Work Experience Pedigree. One additional insight I would recommend is really nail the Chicago Approach (I don't think essays matter as much before the interview stage - but more on that later) and that you are not afraid to challenge the status quo. But I think the picture collection that Booth uses gets worse every year so it might be tricky to fit that in at times. Booth also is trying very hard to push the image of its culture as one that fosters collaboration so if you are that type, perhaps Booth will like you even more!

UC Berkeley - I think Haas is one of the schools which really reads your entire application before calling for interviews. So essays are crucial here. I think stats will help here, but not as much. Your essays need to be top notch and you definitely have to show your well-roundedness more to woo Haas than other schools. I hope they do not bring the song essay back from the grave, but if they do, it would be an annoying glitch. Haas essays end up being pretty behavioural so lots of scope to flesh out strong ideas. I would recommend essays that talks about persuading others, leading people, resolving conflict through EQ. I also think Haas (in a tie with Ross) has the friendliest student community. I had a really good time talking to Haas ambassadors and they even volunteered to look at my essays. Unfortunately the class at Haas has 3-5 Indians, so unless you are super lucky, you will not get in.

Dartmouth/Tuck - This schools is all about outreach. In my reapplication feedback I was explicitly told by a certain Associate Director to show up for events/chats/classes to stand out. I also think Tuck may be a bit more lenient to GMATs (I mean a 730 might cut it), and I do think essays matter more here to score invites than other schools. I also feel that if you can successfully convey that you will live and breathe the culture at Tuck, certain weaknesses in your profile might get overlooked. I would network like crazy with Tuck, current students, admissions, mock classes, coffee chats and everything else they do.

Michigan Ross - Ross is BIG on culture too, and you have to show that that you love them. That means - attend events - network, show up at team exercise, ask for suggestions. Ross was REALLY kind to me and I fell in love with the school. I reached out to one kind admissions director after getting rejected last year and instead of giving me generic encouragement, he went through my file to give me specific feedback - a nonstandard practice at Ross. Also, I reached out to 2 current students and they proactively connected my to 10 more. I could not be more grateful. I really felt they were my partners in the process.

(I can keep adding a few more schools in the future based on demand)

Which schools to apply to:


Allstar 760+ Indian male with top undergrad and bluechip experiences/saving the world nonprofits/strong leadership in a new sexy industry type

Hard: HBS, Stanford, Sloan
Maybe: Booth, Kellogg, Columbia
Achievable: Ross, Darden, Duke, Tuck, Stern

If "in" at the maybe and achievable schools

Consulting Goals - I would recommend Kellogg, Booth, Tuck, Columbia, Ross, Duke, Stern, Darden in that order
Tech Goals - I would recommend Booth, Ross, Kellogg, Columbia, Tuck, Duke, Stern, Darden in that order
Other Goals - You are Indian. Don't flatter yourself.

730-750 GMAT, top undergrad, great experiences

Hard: HBS, Stanford, Sloan, Booth, Kellogg, Columbia, Darden
Maybe: Ross, Duke, Darden, Tuck, Stern
Achievable: McCombs, UCLA, Emory, UNC, Foster

If "in" at the maybe and achievable schools

Consulting Goals - I would recommend Tuck, Ross, Duke, Stern, McCombs, Emory, UNC, Foster in that order
Tech Goals - I would recommend Ross, McCombs, UCLA, Stern, Tuck, Darden, Foster, UNC, Emoory in that order
Other Goals - You are Indian. Don't make me repeat myself!

730-750 GMAT, top 30-40 undergrad, lack of bluechip/worldsaving nonprofits/strong leadership in a new sexy industry

Hard: Ross, Duke, Darden, Tuck, Stern
Maybe: Stern, UCLA, UNC, McCombs, Tepper
Achievable: Top 30-40 - I would recommend Kelley, Emory, Foster

Less than 730 GMAT, top 40 undergrad, no bluechip experience/strong leadership in a new sexy industry

Consider recalibrating your expectations. If you want to get into the top 25 US programs, I would recommend retaking the GMAT, seek leadership opportunities at work and definitely reexamine your career goals.

Some Additional Notes and Theories



    1. My observations may be completely flawed. Of course, I do not think that, but I am sure there are numerous examples that are exceptions to my observations.
    2. I have a sneaky feeling that essays do not matter much in the interview invitation process (saving schools such as Haas, Anderson, Tuck etc). I think interview invites are mostly based on stats, pedigree, branding etc. Once the candidates are interviewed, the essays matter a lot more - this theory makes sense from an ROI of reading thousands of essays of people who don't stand a chance at all = BAD for business perspectives. Plus schools such as Yale, Kellogg, and some others issuing invites within a day of deadlines make me nervous.
    3. Some schools such as Kellogg have a fairly random process of issuing invites to Indians. I am not going to share my thoughts except the fact that I am not a fan. Definitely messes up my predictability theories.
    4. Schools with ED rounds are MUCH more predictable and Indian-friendly (especially Fuqua, Tuck, and maybe Columbia) than later rounds. I think Fuqua RD round is harder to get into than any R1 peer school. Period.
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Hey excellent analysis souvik101990 , what would you suggest a non-iitian to do different(for getting into hbs , stanford and wharton) because I was
seeing on linkedin and most of the profile for these schools from India are from IITs.
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The Indian Male MBA Application Guide 12 May 2022, 13:34
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I see this is an old post but I am wondering about some admissions strategies that T50-100 schools could consider. I am wondering if they could boost their average GMAT and diversity by taking Indian engineers (and other groups that face tougher odds) scoring between 690-720. These are clearly capable folks who could succeed at many competitive roles.

So 1) could a less selective US MBA program wanting to attract ~5-10 such candidates be able to get them to apply?
2) Would these individuals only attend with significant scholarship $$?
3) Or would it be more important to see examples of graduates getting visa sponsorship after the program?

It seems some MBA schools and company recruiting misses a sweet spot where people just outside the T25 could still snag jobs paying $80-$100k if schools built good relationships with regional companies that will sponsor 5-10 jobs consistently. They tend to charge $30-50k in tuition, allowing for a lower out-of-school salary. Instead, it seems they focus on US students with 0-2 years work experience and limited career upside, IMO.

Please correct me on what is needed to make this work.
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The Indian Male MBA Application Guide 12 Jul 2022, 02:40
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Your research helped me understand mba admission process in a nutshell. Good research
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The Indian Male MBA Application Guide 31 Aug 2022, 02:33
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hey how does having a family business change your chances, and if i have some business festing experiences in college
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souvik101990, MG4MBACrystalBall, MBACrystalBall

A slightly different question - any idea which international B schools have the most numerous and/or marquee alum network in India?
Is that question discussed somewhere else on GMATClub? then I am sorry to spam this post with my question. :)
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