The Indian Male MBA Application Guide As some of you may know, I have dabbled in the application process more than the average Joe (or the average Indian Ram). I have applied to schools for 2 years, had tremendous ups and downs, and finally, had reasonable success this year. I am not going to go into details as to which program I got into and which program did not deem me fit for their class, but through extensive conversations and observing 6-8 rounds of this process, I have come up with a reasonably sound explanations of Indian-friendly MBA programs. BUT Before You Go On: Please note that NONE of my analysis are quite backed by extensive data mining. Narenn does that stuff and while I think most of my findings are anecdotal, you might find merit in following some of my approaches. It is entirely up to you to believe my hypotheses, and I will certainly not entertain questions such as "What is your source?" - the evidence is anecdotal and I leave it up to you to believe/trust my judgement. Having said that, I have been helping people on GMAT Club for almost five years now. I would not just say things Top Schools That Have Predictable Admissions Processes This is what I mean by predictable - If you have hit top 80-90%ile of their class stats - you should expect an interview invite unless you have written really crappy essays. These B Schools have had a traditional way to of selecting candidates for interviews and it could be reasonably assumed that if you hit these stats, you are in a good place for an invite. These are the stats that one would have to hit to score an invite (although note that predictability will vary based on schools as I mentioned in the graph below). Favourable Stats for Indian Males GMAT - 740 or above. Undergrad - IIT top 5-7, non IIT universities include - BITS, NITs, Delhi University, SRCC, JU, ANNA U. These are universities I know GPA - does not REALLY matter in my honest opinion, unless you have a visible Fail grade in your transcript. I have a very strong suspicion that Indian undergrad GPAs are not weighed in the same way as other geographies because the grading scale is completely non standard. Even for a low GPA, I would not bother writing an optional essay to explain Experience - Blue chip companies will help a LOT. Especially if your company is F100 or even F500 (unless you are in a dead end IT back support role), you have a very clear chance of being taken seriously. For smaller companies, working with international clients will help, as will having foreign work experience — client work and what have you. For non profit roles, make sure to explain the scale and capacity of your nonprofit. I worked in nonprofits for five years - both big and small so I had an extra hurdle to overcome. My Predictability Rankings https://i.imgur.com/u6EYjVq.png School Specific Tips These are just the schools I have some idea about. Either I interviewed or know tons of people who did. As usual, take my advice with a bucketload of seasoning. Wharton - While I did not score an invite myself, I know plenty who did. I think if you an Indian female with top scores and great pedigree in experience, you have a fairly decent shot here. However if you are an Indian male, I would be nervous unless you have a 750+ GMAT with a big name work ex and some international chops. Wharton has consistently kept its essays same over the last few years. I feel you can get away with mediocre school research (Wharton's website is overwhelmingly crowded so you will find something). I don't think networking will help a lot in Wharton. Wharton is a big school and it is not as insecure as a few others, so you don't have to work hard on build a pre existing network to the school. Also, culture is not really a thing a Wharton (Man, if a Wharton alum/current is reading this, I am sure he/she is rolling their eyes), so hard to go too deep there too. MIT Sloan - I did interview at Sloan and had the liberty to a lot of research. I feel if you have innovation screaming from your resume, you have a decent shot at scoring an invite as long as you hit the basic stats of course. I would recommend reading/learning about their experiential labs and provide clear examples of how they will help you in your cover letter. Also, I am fairly confident with Sloan's trajectory of moving away from any video to mandating web cameras, they don't give a lot of significance to production quality. My video was basically an audition for the Blair-witch project. Chicago Booth - I think Booth is really really Indian friendly. 8-10 % of the class is Indian and that's saying something considering a pretty sizeable class size. I think Booth is pretty achievable for an interview invite if you hit ALL the stats - that means GMAT, Undergrad and Work Experience Pedigree. One additional insight I would recommend is really nail the Chicago Approach (I don't think essays matter as much before the interview stage - but more on that later) and that you are not afraid to challenge the status quo. But I think the picture collection that Booth uses gets worse every year so it might be tricky to fit that in at times. Booth also is trying very hard to push the image of its culture as one that fosters collaboration so if you are that type, perhaps Booth will like you even more! UC Berkeley - I think Haas is one of the schools which really reads your entire application before calling for interviews. So essays are crucial here. I think stats will help here, but not as much. Your essays need to be top notch and you definitely have to show your well-roundedness more to woo Haas than other schools. I hope they do not bring the song essay back from the grave, but if they do, it would be an annoying glitch. Haas essays end up being pretty behavioural so lots of scope to flesh out strong ideas. I would recommend essays that talks about persuading others, leading people, resolving conflict through EQ. I also think Haas (in a tie with Ross) has the friendliest student community. I had a really good time talking to Haas ambassadors and they even volunteered to look at my essays. Unfortunately the class at Haas has 3-5 Indians, so unless you are super lucky, you will not get in. Dartmouth/Tuck - This schools is all about outreach. In my reapplication feedback I was explicitly told by a certain Associate Director to show up for events/chats/classes to stand out. I also think Tuck may be a bit more lenient to GMATs (I mean a 730 might cut it), and I do think essays matter more here to score invites than other schools. I also feel that if you can successfully convey that you will live and breathe the culture at Tuck, certain weaknesses in your profile might get overlooked. I would network like crazy with Tuck, current students, admissions, mock classes, coffee chats and everything else they do. Michigan Ross - Ross is BIG on culture too, and you have to show that that you love them. That means - attend events - network, show up at team exercise, ask for suggestions. Ross was REALLY kind to me and I fell in love with the school. I reached out to one kind admissions director after getting rejected last year and instead of giving me generic encouragement, he went through my file to give me specific feedback - a nonstandard practice at Ross. Also, I reached out to 2 current students and they proactively connected my to 10 more. I could not be more grateful. I really felt they were my partners in the process. (I can keep adding a few more schools in the future based on demand) Which schools to apply to: Allstar 760+ Indian male with top undergrad and bluechip experiences/saving the world nonprofits/strong leadership in a new sexy industry type Hard: HBS, Stanford, Sloan Maybe: Booth, Kellogg, Columbia Achievable: Ross, Darden, Duke, Tuck, Stern If "in" at the maybe and achievable schools Consulting Goals - I would recommend Kellogg, Booth, Tuck, Columbia, Ross, Duke, Stern, Darden in that order Tech Goals - I would recommend Booth, Ross, Kellogg, Columbia, Tuck, Duke, Stern, Darden in that order Other Goals - You are Indian. Don't flatter yourself. 730-750 GMAT, top undergrad, great experiences Hard: HBS, Stanford, Sloan, Booth, Kellogg, Columbia, Darden Maybe: Ross, Duke, Darden, Tuck, Stern Achievable: McCombs, UCLA, Emory, UNC, Foster If "in" at the maybe and achievable schools Consulting Goals - I would recommend Tuck, Ross, Duke, Stern, McCombs, Emory, UNC, Foster in that order Tech Goals - I would recommend Ross, McCombs, UCLA, Stern, Tuck, Darden, Foster, UNC, Emoory in that order Other Goals - You are Indian. Don't make me repeat myself! 730-750 GMAT, top 30-40 undergrad, lack of bluechip/worldsaving nonprofits/strong leadership in a new sexy industry Hard: Ross, Duke, Darden, Tuck, Stern Maybe: Stern, UCLA, UNC, McCombs, Tepper Achievable: Top 30-40 - I would recommend Kelley, Emory, Foster Less than 730 GMAT, top 40 undergrad, no bluechip experience/strong leadership in a new sexy industry Consider recalibrating your expectations. If you want to get into the top 25 US programs, I would recommend retaking the GMAT, seek leadership opportunities at work and definitely reexamine your career goals. Some Additional Notes and Theories 1. My observations may be completely flawed. Of course, I do not think that, but I am sure there are numerous examples that are exceptions to my observations. 2. I have a sneaky feeling that essays do not matter much in the interview invitation process (saving schools such as Haas, Anderson, Tuck etc). I think interview invites are mostly based on stats, pedigree, branding etc. Once the candidates are interviewed, the essays matter a lot more - this theory makes sense from an ROI of reading thousands of essays of people who don't stand a chance at all = BAD for business perspectives. Plus schools such as Yale, Kellogg, and some others issuing invites within a day of deadlines make me nervous. 3. Some schools such as Kellogg have a fairly random process of issuing invites to Indians. I am not going to share my thoughts except the fact that I am not a fan. Definitely messes up my predictability theories. 4. Schools with ED rounds are MUCH more predictable and Indian-friendly (especially Fuqua, Tuck, and maybe Columbia) than later rounds. I think Fuqua RD round is harder to get into than any R1 peer school. Period.

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What about Indian Americans, how do they compare against Indian Males and Females? (Parents that were born in India, children were born in the US)

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What about an Indian Military officer? Indian Air Force Air Traffic Control Officer ( Rank Squadron Leader). GMAT 670, but top Arts and Science College of India. Madras Christian College, Chennai. 8 years of Tonnes of leadership experience commanding units of 70 men and officers at remote critical locations. A shot at Columbia and Yale? Bonus stat for college - Indira Nooyi(arguably the most famous alumni of YALE SOM) graduated from MCC.

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I think if they are a male, they fall under the topic

I have commented on a similar situation in another topic to a candidate that was very accomplished. The way the GMAT works with top schools, you have to hit a certain threshold. Hitting higher does not improve your chances substantially but you have to hit a minimum and that minimum tends to be higher for Indian folks than some other less represented applicants. Thus until you hit that minimum, your application will likely not get the proper attention at the schools with average score of 710 for example because there are 10 other Indian guys applying for the same position with a 740 for example. It is just the pure competition and the number of available spots. Supply and Demand. Inflation. That type of thing.

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Thanks souvik101990 for the insight.
Is there any similar analysis done for non-US schools(1year program)? In case any post is available please let me know.

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Hi everyone - is there a distinction between ethnicity and citizenship? For example, I am an Indian male by background, but an Australian citizen. How would ad coms looks at me?

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Does a letter of recommendation from cabinet minister helps?

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What about Indian Americans, how do they compare against Indian Males and Females? (Parents that were born in India, children were born in the US)

I know I'm late to respond here but I think for Indian Americans, it is different than Indians from India but the core tenets of success are the same. I do think showing your 'poet' skills and community engagement is important for Indian Americans and will help differentiate you. Also think there is a higher expectation threshold for at least meeting the average numbers in terms of grades and tests posted by the school. After you meet those #s (3.6/730), Im not sure what the differentiators are.

Indian Americans at IB/PE/MBB/FAANG or other prestigious large firms will basically have the same criteria as American ORMs at these firms. I have average academic #s for the M7 and was able to get in with this golden work exp. (3.5/730), also know an Indian American female friend of mine at one of these firms who cleaned house and got 3 M7 offers (don't know her stats but will assume they are about the same as mine, maybe with a higher GPA but definitely in a less academically challenging major).

Indians with silver or lesser known work experience may struggle though (admittedly I don't know many Indian Americans outside of the top-tier firms who get MBAs, most that I know of who couldn't get into a BB/MBB/FAANG were working while studying for MCAT and applying to medical school, but please prove me wrong).

For Indian Americans, 720 (Female) and 730 (Male) is your magic GMAT number goal (as opposed to 750 for Males from India and 730 for females). I don't think anyone looked down on me from an admissions perspective because of my 730 GMAT.

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Thanks for chiming i’m easterngod

I’m curious to know how your recruitment experiences have been at school. I’m trying to recreate this thread but instead of admissions, i’m going to be analyzing recruitment at business school for indian students. I’d love to know your experiences.

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Still just an admit but will be happy to get back to you next year!

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Still just an admit but will be happy to get back to you next year!

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I still find the OPs analysis here to be amazing and given the number of questions we get from Indian applicants in this forum it should be pinned. Would love a section on which round to apply to (is there an R1 advantage for internationals?).

Regarding this comment "4. Schools with ED rounds are MUCH more predictable and Indian-friendly (especially Fuqua, Tuck, and maybe Columbia) than later rounds. I think Fuqua RD round is harder to get into than any R1 peer school. Period."

This is totally true with Columbia, as I think RD admissions here is more difficult than any non HSW M7 (and probably tied with W). In my networking of cross-admits at Booth (population that could only do RD at CBS), I only met 1 person who was admitted to both (compared to like 15 Booth-Kellogg cross admits), so I am assuming CBS was extremely selective for RD this past year. Also like Fuqua/Tuck, CBS is more concerned with yield than a lot of its peers, so visit the campus early and attend events often! I recommend almost all international applicants in the rockstar category apply ED to CBS to ensure they get to do their MBA at a top-ranked school. Exceptions would be for legacies at another M7 school

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Hi,

Thanks for the detailed analysis. I'm new to the world of MBA Applications. However, i had a query.
When you say bluechip company experience, does it involve software engineering experience at a leading multinational? Say, Oracle?

Kindly provide some more help for Indian male applicant having core software engineering experience and not backend IT role.

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Thanks.

I would say it is good experience and makes you competitive, but does not make you stand out. You can still get into a top school if everything else is aligned, but you won't get in based off this work experience alone.

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Kindly Please evaluate my profile for the following schools: Kellogs, Booth, Insead, Rotman, HEC

- Indian Male
- Top IIT, 8+ GPA
- 5 years of Work Ex (3 years Internationally, F500 Energy company)
- GRE 328

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For a good review, will be useful to have a few more details such as the nature of your work, achievements, any extracurricular activities, anything you feel are your differentiation points, current location and post-MBA plans. Do share and we'd be happy to comment.

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For a good review, will be useful to have a few more details such as the nature of your work, achievements, any extracurricular activities, anything you feel are your differentiation points, current location and post-MBA plans. Do share and we'd be happy to comment.

Kindly find the requested information.

-3+ years Internationally, Well Engineer, Energy Industry (Project management division for drilling oil wells for Saudi Aramco)
-2 years, Consultant, Credit Risk Modeling, Financial Services

Differentiation Points:
1. Majority of my work experience has been international, in a highly diverse company (~10+ different nationalities in my team)
2. I was part of the weightlifting and powerlifting college teams and represented college in National level collegiate competitions,
(I was rejected in the first year and worked hard to get into the club the next year)
3. I learnt Spanish because of working with Latin American colleagues at Saudi, and can speak and understand decent intermediate level Spanish.

Achievements:
1. Was ranked 2nd out of ~20 international Engineers in our work segment in 2018
2. Won numerous college awards in weightlifting and powerlifting

Extracurricular:
1. Travel, Hiking in Himalayas and Europe
2. Foreign Languages (Mostly Spanish)
3. Weightlifting and Powerlifting

Current Location:
Was posted in Saudi up until now, but now back to India as on a Furlough due to the Industry crisis.

Post MBA plans:
General Management or Management Consulting.

RCCRSC, we already connected so skipping the evaluation here.

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Hi thank you for this post.

Can you please also post the same for indian profile for the course of MS finance in top european schools that would be helpful

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Thanks for the analysis souvik101990. Can you revamp this post with a couple of European B-schools too?

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