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To meet the rapidly rising market demand for fish and seafood, suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment by nearly half and raising them on special diets.


(A) their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment

(B) their natural growth rate, their feed allotment cut

(C) growing them naturally, cutting their feed allotment

(D) they grow naturally, cutting their feed allotment

(E) they grow naturally, with their feed allotment

Similar Question : [as fast as] LINK

The first and second choices illogically state that the suppliers are not only growing the fish but are also growing the natural growth rate of the fish.

The third choice elliptically states that suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as growing them naturally grows them, but when something grows naturally, it is illogical to say anything grows them. The appropriate contrast is between the rate at which the suppliers are growing the fish and the rate at which the fish grow when allowed to grow naturally on their own.

The fourth and fifth options both express that contrast appropriately. Of these two options, however, only the fourth uses a present participle (cutting) that is parallel to the other verbs in the sentence (growing and raising), and therefore the fourth choice is best.

To meet the rapidly rising market demand for fish and seafood, suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as they grow naturally, cutting their feed allotment by nearly half and raising them on special diets.

LINK In the 1980's the rate of increase of the minority population of the United States was nearly twice what it was in the 1970's.

An this case, you have a problem of redundancy:
A RATE can't be FAST.
* The rate can be high;
* The increase itself can be fast.

Similarly,
A height can't be tall (a person can be tall, or a height can be greater than...)
A bank account can't be rich (a person can be rich, or a bank account can contain a large amount of money)
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It seems you didn’t quite understand how to split a sentence into its clauses. I would strongly recommend you to revisit the basics of clauses and get a firm grasp on identifying clauses before proceeding any further.

Having said that, let me break the given sentence for you.
To meet the rapidly rising market demand for fish and seafood, suppliers are
o growing fish twice as fast as their natural growth rate,
o cutting their feed allotment by nearly half and
o raising them on special diets.

The given sentence contains only a single clause. However it contains a list as shown.

Now let's discuss the errors in this sentence:
Error 1
Now observe this sentence.
Suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as their natural growth rate.
This sentence has incorrect elliptical usage. This sentence can actually mean either of the following two:

a. Suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as suppliers are growing their natural growth rate.
b. Suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as their natural growth rate is growing fish.

But both these sentences do not make sense and are illogical.

Consider the following simple examples to get an idea on ellipsis.
i. Mike runs faster than a horse (Mike runs faster than a horse runs)
ii. George likes milk better than coffee. (George likes milk better than he likes Coffee)

Now compare these correct usages with the incorrect elliptical usages of the given sentence mentioned above. You can clearly see that the ellipsis used in the given sentence doesn’t make sense. This is a major error in the given sentence.

Error 2
Also, there is another usage error in the sentence.
Observe that “growth rate” is described as “fast”
Let us take a parallel for better understanding

Rate = speed
Now which one of the following do you think is correct?
    Speed is fast. OR
    Speed is more/higher.
Saying “speed is fast” is definitely incorrect.
“Speed is more than something” or “Speed is higher than something” is appropriate
On similar lines, growth rate cannot be faster. Growth rate can be higher.
This is another error in the given sentence.

Error 3
Coming to the pronoun ambiguity, lets first apply our pronoun framework:

To meet the rapidly rising market demand for fish and seafood, suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment by nearly half and raising them on special diets.

1: What is the logical antecedent of "their", "they"?
Logically these pronouns must refer to "fish".

2: Are there any other nouns in plural (since the pronouns are plural), that could be referred to by these pronouns?
Yes, these pronouns could refer to "suppliers". Thus, there appears to be ambiguity.

3: Is there any answer choice that solves this ambiguity?
No, all answer choices have similar structure.

Thus, in this question, pronoun ambiguity is acceptable to a certain degree. This question exemplifies the fact that pronoun ambiguity rules are hazy and we must not eliminate answer choices right away based on this error. We must first eliminate the answer choices based on other more definite error types - SV, verb, parallelism, modifiers

You can read the framework for “Pronoun Ambiguity” here.
You can find references to OG Questions dealing with Pronoun ambiguity in the following links
Link 1, Link 2

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Your explanations for eliminating the other options can be less ambiguous and more detailed. So with the above sentence structure in mind, I would like you to solve the question again and come up with the solution.

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To meet the rapid rising market demand for fish and seafood, suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment by nearly half and raising them on special diet.

(A) ...
(B) their natural growth rate, their feed allotment cut
(C) growing them naturally, cutting their feed allotment
(D) they grow naturally, cutting their feed allotment
(E) they grow naturally, with their feed allotment cut


suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as their natural growth rate
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growing fish by suppliers twice as fast as fish natural growth rate

comparing growing fish with rate
Incorrect comparison A, B -- out

C) growing them naturally, cutting their feed allotment
who is growing them naturally.. I don't think, we grow them naturally.. (they (fish) grow themselves naturally).

D)
suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as they grow naturally
growing fish by suppliers[/u] twice as fast as [u]fish grow naturally

proper comparision.
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D it is

To meet the rapidly rising market demand for fish and seafood, suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment by nearly half and raising them on special diets.

a. their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment (OUT)
b. their natural growth rate, their feed allotment cut (OUT)
c. growing them naturally, cutting their feed allotment (we can shorten: suppliers grow fish twice as fast as they grow them naturally, but not suppliers grow fish twice as fast as growing them naturally -> so OUT)
d. they grow naturally, cutting their feed allotment (parallelism with raising)
e. they grow naturally, with their feed allotment (forbids parallelism with rasing -> so OUT)
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D for me. A and B out for ambiguous pronoun reference.

C out for poor construction. suppliers are growing the fish twice ----, cutting--- and raising------.
This is the parallel construction correctly presented in D.
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B and E can be taken out because of lack of parallelism
Among A, C and D, A can be taken out because of faulty comparision

For ex:- The correct way is - I'm going twice as fast as you do. the elements of comparison( in the bold) should be consistent(subject or object but not both). The ideal comparison should be between a subject form and a subject form or between an object and another object.
Incorrect :- I'm going twice as fast as the normal speed

In C the comparison is between fish and sea food(subject form) and them(object form) hence C is incorrect

Therefore D is correct.

PS:- It was only after knowing OA, that I could make sense out of the sentence..... I worked backwards

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if you realize the parallelism of the sentence (cutting and raising) you can eliminate b,c,e

The problem then comes to deciding between A and D. In principle the pronoun they should refer to suppliers, but since is absurd to say that suppliers are growing as fast as suppliers grow naturally, we can assume that they refer to fish.

The main problem with A is the comparison

Consider this example

I run as fast as Michel does. Correct
I run as fast as Michel's speed rate

I think this is an incorrect comparison, since you are compering an action "running" with a noun "rate".
I hope someone can explain this better
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if you realize the parallelism of the sentence (cutting and raising) you can eliminate b,c,e


Cutting & raising are parallel in "C"as well, but you said its not the case so you eliminated b,c & e

Can you kinldy calrify??

You're completely right option C contains parallelism but not a proper comparison.

suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as growing them naturally

even if we assume no ambiguity for the pronoun them, the comparison, I think, is not correct.

First a gerund is not the correct tense for a event that happens "naturally"

I'm driving as fast as driving normally. This is not correct, I don't think you can use present continuous to describe a normally or a naturally action.

I think that the sentence reads

suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as [suppliers are] growing them [the fish] naturally
so suppliers are growing the fish naturally and at the same time are growing the fist twice fast?
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I was asked to take this one on by private message. So here I am!

What the hell...where is this question from? Friends, never trust a question that isn't grammatically correct in the non-underlined portion. Just ignore it. What's "Special diet"? Do they mean "A special diet"? I don't trust this.

I'd also add that even though we don't have a choice, "they" and "their" are REALLY ambiguous pronouns, possibly referring to "suppliers" or "fish".

To meet the rapid rising market demand for fish and seafood, suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment by nearly half and raising them on special diet.

(A) their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment
PROBLEM: As many have said, this is a comparison issue. There are two pieces here, and they should be interchangeable (grammatically). Right now, this says "suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as their natural growth rate". That's a verb "are growing" compared to a noun "their natural growth rate". You can't do that.

(B) their natural growth rate, their feed allotment cut
PROBLEM: Same as above. Also, the part after the comma is an odd fragment now. "Cutting" is a present participle, which is what we use when we want to modify the entire previous clause. "Cut" is a past participle, and we don't use it this way.

(C) growing them naturally, cutting their feed allotment
PROBLEM: In this comparison, we still need someone to be doing the "growing", which doesn't make any sense (nobody needs help growing naturally).

(D) they grow naturally, cutting their feed allotment
ANSWER: All good.

(E) they grow naturally, with their feed allotment cut
PROBLEM: Same as the second part of B.

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To meet the rapidly rising market demand for fish and seafood, suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment by nearly half and raising them on special diets.
A their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment
B their natural growth rate, their feed allotment cut
C growing them naturally, cutting their feed allotment
D they grow naturally, cutting their feed allotment
E they grow naturally, with their feed allotment cut.

My analysis :

c1 : To meet the rapid rising market demand for fish and seafood
c2 : suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as their natural growth rate
c3 : cutting their feed allotment by nearly half
c4: and raising them on special diet.

Also note 1) Suppliers is the subject , are is the verb .
2) Pronoun "Their natural growth rate" , " Their feed allotment " Who's is this their is not clear ?

Does it refer to the suppliers or fish ? However since all answers have this ambiguity ( Looks like pronoun ambiguity is allowed )

Options B , E can be eliminated due to parralelism .
Option C : suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as growing them naturally ??? Doesnt make sense .

Would go with option D since it makes the best sense .

Can you please help me if my understanding is correct ie the clauses/ split and S-V pairs ? Also if there is better solution to this problem .

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Comparison in C is not logical.

To meet the rapidly rising market demand for fish and seafood, suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as growing them naturally, cutting their feed allotment

In nature fish grow by themselves suppliers do not grow them naturally. Therefore C is not logical.

suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as (rate) fish grow naturally.

Suppliers are trying to grow fish at double rate, the rate at which fish grow naturally.

This is a GMATPrep question and OA is D. C is wrong.
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the answer of this question cannot be C !! if u read C literally, which in fact u should, then u will realize that its meaning is nonsensical .i will explain why is C wrong

C says : To meet the rapidly rising market demand for fish and seafood, suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as growing them naturally, cutting their feed allotment......

the bold portion in C gives a notion that suppliers are growing the fish naturally !! this is never possible . fish "themselves" grow naturally .no one but GOD can grow fish naturally .yes u can increase the growth rate of fish "artificially" but u can never grow fish "naturally"

there are other errors in C as well. i can elaborate if u want
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To meet the rapidly rising market demand for fish and seafood, suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment by nearly half and raising them on special diets.

A. their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment
B. their natural growth rate, their feed allotment cut
C. growing them naturally, cutting their feed allotment
D. they grow naturally, cutting their feed allotment
E. they grow naturally, with their feed allotment cut


clever trick.
I got stuck between C and D, and unfortunately I fell in the trap of grammar!
while over and over it is emphasized that meaning first, grammar second!
in D, it seems that they refers to suppliers, base on parallelism structure. but this is illogical parallelism.
C is the correct answer.
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in D, it seems that they refers to suppliers, base on parallelism structure. but this is illogical parallelism.

Absolutely agree, but this only corroborates the point that has been made umpteen times before: do not eliminate an answer choice based upon pronoun ambiguity.

To summarize, an ambiguous pronoun (a pronoun with multiple antecedents) is acceptable on GMAT; an orphan pronoun (a pronoun with no antecedent) is not.

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C is the correct answer.

D is the OA actually, for the reason cited above that C introduces an illogical meaning.

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Where is plural fishes....like wise for their ?? :|

I am hoping your question is of a general academic interest, and not specific to this question, since all the options in this question refer to fish as plural, so whether fish is singular or plural, is a moot point here.

This approach is actually important, because one needs to have an eye for the various differences in the options, to quickly figure out what the SC is testing. Clearly fish being singular or plural is not being tested here.
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To meet the rapidly rising market demand for fish and seafood, suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment by nearly half and raising them on special diets.

A. their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment fish is the object. needs an object pronoun "they"
B. their natural growth rate, their feed allotment cut needs object pronoun "they". Violates parallelism ---> "cutting" and "raising"
C. growing them naturally, cutting their feed allotmentsounds awkward when used with the sentence
D. they grow naturally, cutting their feed allotment Correct. Uses object pronoun "they" and is good in parallelism
E. they grow naturally, with their feed allotment cutViolates parallelism
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A. their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment fish is the object. needs an object pronoun "they"
D. they grow naturally, cutting their feed allotment Correct. Uses object pronoun "they" and is good in parallelism

Perhaps you wanted to say subject pronoun (and not object pronoun).

Also, as noted in my post above, the use of they is at best ambiguous in option D (since, from a parallelism perspective, they seems to be referring to suppliers, while the intent is obviously that they should refer to fish).
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Can u please point out exactly what is wrong in A? I find the usage of "their" and "they" in option A and option D respectively, both ambiguous.
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A says: suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as their natural growth rate

That is incorrect, because in comparisons, rate is fast is not a valid usage.

For example, following is incorrect:

Rate of growth of crop X is faster than rate of growth of crop X.

Following would be correct:

Rate of growth of crop X is twice the rate of growth of crop X.
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The faulty comparison here is between "growth rate" of the fish and the fish "growing".
The point is that the 2 are different.
Eliminate A and B.
Not sure what specific rule E is violating but the ", with" just feels way out of place in the sentence.
I can't think of a specific reason for eliminating C except that D looks better...
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