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Not sure what specific rule E is violating but the ", with" just feels way out of -place in the sentence.

suppliers are growing fish twice as fast by doing two things:

i) cutting their feed allotment and
ii) raising them on special diets

So, cutting and raising need to have a similar structure. Since raising is in the non-underlined portion, we need to have cutting in the underlined portion.

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I can't think of a specific reason for eliminating C except that D looks better...

growing them naturally is incorrect. No one can grow anyone naturally; the very fact that growth is natural, implies that they grown on their own.
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To meet the rapidly rising market demand for fish and seafood, suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment by nearly half and raising them on special diets.

A. their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment
B. their natural growth rate, their feed allotment cut
C. growing them naturally, cutting their feed allotment
D. they grow naturally, cutting their feed allotment
E. they grow naturally, with their feed allotment cut


The answer is indeed D. Here are the important takeaways:

1) Here fast is an adverb modifying verb grow. Since fast is a determinant adverb used in comparison, make sure it modifies a verb in the other part of comparison. Here growth rate is not a verb but a noun.
2) Growth rate is a rate which can high or low but cannot be fast or slow.
3) Here growing them naturally doesn't make sense. Natural growth is something in which nobody has to do anything. So you cannot "grow" something naturally. So make sure things make logical sense.
4) Note that both fish and seafood are plural forms. Fishes is often used to denote species of fish.
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mbunny wrote:
To meet the rapidly rising market demand for fish and seafood, suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment by nearly half and raising them on special diets.

a. their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment
b. their natural growth rate, their feed allotment cut
c. growing them naturally, cutting their feed allotment
d. they grow naturally, cutting their feed allotment
e. they grow naturally, with their feed allotment


Im stuck between C and D.
Cant we say suppliers are
    growing fish twice as fast as
    growing them(fish)

Subject is suppliers first and then we shift it to fish saying they grow naturally.

Please explain.

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The comparison marker "twice as fast as" can be used to compare two clauses (verbs) with different subjects. Here the clauses compared are:
1. Suppliers are growing fish.
2. they grow naturally.

(The verbs "are growing" and "grow" are correctly compared.)

C is wrong because the verb "are growing" is wrongly compared to present participle "growing".
If you consider that the second "growing" is also a verb with its helping verb "are" omitted in the second element of comparison, then the meaning would be problematic - the farmers are growing fishes, yet the same fishes grow naturally: this does not make sense.
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To meet the rapidly rising market demand for fish and seafood, suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment by nearly half and raising them on special diets.

a. their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment As fast as + rate is Causing redundancy issue.
b. their natural growth rate, their feed allotment cut As fast as + rate is Causing redundancy issue.
c. growing them naturally, cutting their feed allotment Incorrect ||ism
d. they grow naturally, cutting their feed allotment
e. they grow naturally, with their feed allotment --> Awkward construction. What feed allotment? This sentence is not conveying the full meaning.
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To meet the rapidly rising market demand for fish and seafood, suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment by nearly half and raising them on special diets.

(A) their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment
(B) their natural growth rate, their feed allotment cut
(C) growing them naturally, cutting their feed allotment
(D) they grow naturally, cutting their feed allotment
(E) they grow naturally, with their feed allotment

Could you help with the pronoun in this problem? Does pronoun "they", "their" and "them" refer to "fish"?
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To meet the rapidly rising market demand for fish and seafood, suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment by nearly half and raising them on special diets.

(A) their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment
(B) their natural growth rate, their feed allotment cut
(C) growing them naturally, cutting their feed allotment
(D) they grow naturally, cutting their feed allotment
(E) they grow naturally, with their feed allotment

Could you help with the pronoun in this problem? Does pronoun "they", "their" and "them" refer to "fish"?


Yes, your understanding is correct. Note that "fish" is plural (singular and plural forms are the same).
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Hi mikemcgarry, GMATNinja, GMATNinjaTwo,

Sorry for bumping up this old thread, but I still don't quite understand how I could figure out what the "they" in choice D refers to - suppliers or fish? Also, are there any rules on figuring out the correct pronoun antecedent?
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Hi mikemcgarry, GMATNinja, GMATNinjaTwo,

Sorry for bumping up this old thread, but I still don't quite understand how I could figure out what the "they" in choice D refers to - suppliers or fish? Also, are there any rules on figuring out the correct pronoun antecedent?

Dear imawolf,

I'm happy to respond. :-)

The first thing I will say is that the pronoun-antecedent relationship is quite sophisticated. It cannot be summarized by simple mechanical rules. It can be influenced by word placement, grammar, logic, and rhetoric.

Here's the OA version, (D):
To meet the rapidly rising market demand for fish and seafood, suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as they grow naturally, cutting their feed allotment by nearly half and raising them on special diets.

Here, on aspect is word placement. What's the closest noun to "they"? The closest noun is "fish." That's one connection. Second is the connection to the repeated word "growing . . . grow." This is a very odd verb, because when we say "suppliers are growing fish," it's actually the "fish" that are doing the "growing." The verb "to grow" is odd in this way: when we say, "The farmer is growing corn," really, it's the "corn" that's "growing," and the farmer merely creates the conditions in which the corn can grow. Thus, at the first appearance of this word, the fish are doing the "growing," so when "they grow" appears again, the logical connection is to the "fish." That cements the connection.

Does all this make sense?
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To meet the rapidly rising market demand for fish and seafood, suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment by nearly half and raising them on special diets.
This sentence has word usage error. The sentence states that farmers are growing fish twice as fast as their natural growth rate. Or in other words, that the growth rate is twice as fast as natural growth rate. The use of adjective “fast” with growth rate is incorrect. Lets consider a similar construction: Change rate to speed. Both show change of measure per unit time. Now to describe speed we say:

Speed is more – Correct
Speed is higher – Correct
Speed is fast – Incorrect.
Car is driving fast. – Correct
Thus, on similar lines:

Growth rate is fast. – Incorrect
Growth rate is high. – Correct
Fish can grow faster – Correct
This choice should not be eliminated because of apparent pronoun error. It is important to clarify this aspect since if we eliminate an incorrect answer choice for incorrect reason, we may end up marking incorrect choice as the correct answer. We will apply the pronoun framework discussed here and see if this question has pronoun error.

The pronouns in question are two occurrences of “their”. The pronoun “them” is in non-underlined portion of the sentence. So there will not be any error related to this pronoun. However, we may consider this pronoun as well in our analysis for the sake of complete analysis of the sentence in terms of pronouns.

Choice A: Idiom Error as explained above.

Choice B: Parallelism Error: The sentence has a list as shown in the meaning analysis. This list is not parallel in this choice. The list per this choice is:

their feed allotment cut…
raising them…
Choice C: Meaning Error – This choice changes the intended meaning of the sentence and in fact while doing so renders the sentence illogical. Remember that the original sentence states that suppliers are growing fish faster than the fish grows naturally. Thus, two different rates of growth are being compared.

Rate at which suppliers grow the fish
Rate at which fish grow naturally.
Now choice C states “suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as growing them naturally”. Now the two rates being compared are as follows:

Rate at which suppliers grow the fish
Rate at which someone grows the fish naturally. – This part changes the intended meaning of the sentence – fish grow on their own – and makes the sentence illogical – one cannot grow fish and say that this is natural growth.
Choice D: No Errors

Choice E: Parallelism Error: As discussed in Choice B.

Thus, Choice D is the correct answer.
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Cutting is required as we want to modify the previous clause, so eliminated "B" & "E"
As starts a subordinate clause so eliminated "A" & "C"
Correct answer is "D".

Is the approach correct ?
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A and B imply that suppliers are growing the fish and their natural growth rates. Which doesn’t make sense. C does not get the comparison right either. It essentially says that the suppliers are growing the fish twice as fast as naturally growing them grows them. This doesn’t make sense, if the fish are growing naturally, then no one is growing them. E does not make sense or preserve the meaning of the sentence.



D is the right answer.
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To meet the rapidly rising market demand for fish and seafood, suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment by nearly half and raising them on special diets.


(A) their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment

(B) their natural growth rate, their feed allotment cut

(C) growing them naturally, cutting their feed allotment

(D) they grow naturally, cutting their feed allotment

(E) they grow naturally, with their feed allotment

Similar Question : [as fast as] LINK

The first and second choices illogically state that the suppliers are not only growing the fish but are also growing the natural growth rate of the fish.

The third choice elliptically states that suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as growing them naturally grows them, but when something grows naturally, it is illogical to say anything grows them. The appropriate contrast is between the rate at which the suppliers are growing the fish and the rate at which the fish grow when allowed to grow naturally on their own.

The fourth and fifth options both express that contrast appropriately. Of these two options, however, only the fourth uses a present participle (cutting) that is parallel to the other verbs in the sentence (growing and raising), and therefore the fourth choice is best.

To meet the rapidly rising market demand for fish and seafood, suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as they grow naturally, cutting their feed allotment by nearly half and raising them on special diets.

LINK In the 1980's the rate of increase of the minority population of the United States was nearly twice what it was in the 1970's.

An this case, you have a problem of redundancy:
A RATE can't be FAST.
* The rate can be high;
* The increase itself can be fast.

Similarly,
A height can't be tall (a person can be tall, or a height can be greater than...)
A bank account can't be rich (a person can be rich, or a bank account can contain a large amount of money)
etc.


Would you please shed some light on "COMMA + WITH modifier". Here, how the meaning changes in answer (E)? generis

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mbunny wrote:
To meet the rapidly rising market demand for fish and seafood, suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment by nearly half and raising them on special diets.


(A) their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment

(B) their natural growth rate, their feed allotment cut

(C) growing them naturally, cutting their feed allotment

(D) they grow naturally, cutting their feed allotment

(E) they grow naturally, with their feed allotment

Similar Question : [as fast as] LINK

The first and second choices illogically state that the suppliers are not only growing the fish but are also growing the natural growth rate of the fish.

The third choice elliptically states that suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as growing them naturally grows them, but when something grows naturally, it is illogical to say anything grows them. The appropriate contrast is between the rate at which the suppliers are growing the fish and the rate at which the fish grow when allowed to grow naturally on their own.

The fourth and fifth options both express that contrast appropriately. Of these two options, however, only the fourth uses a present participle (cutting) that is parallel to the other verbs in the sentence (growing and raising), and therefore the fourth choice is best.

To meet the rapidly rising market demand for fish and seafood, suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as they grow naturally, cutting their feed allotment by nearly half and raising them on special diets.

LINK In the 1980's the rate of increase of the minority population of the United States was nearly twice what it was in the 1970's.

An this case, you have a problem of redundancy:
A RATE can't be FAST.
* The rate can be high;
* The increase itself can be fast.

Similarly,
A height can't be tall (a person can be tall, or a height can be greater than...)
A bank account can't be rich (a person can be rich, or a bank account can contain a large amount of money)
etc.


Would you please shed some light on "COMMA + WITH modifier". Here, how the meaning changes in answer (E)? generis

RashedVai , sure. (I think this sentence is weird. How to you make fish grow faster by cutting the amount of food they eat?)

When I first read (E), I thought that I had missed something.
Wrong.
The sentence is missing something. A verb. Actually, a verbal.

their feed allotment by nearly half
can't be "with" anything because the phrase is not a thing. It has no meaning.

their feed allotment by nearly half
does not mean anything.

by nearly half is a phrase that we use after a verb or verbal.

Barring other issues such as parallelism, these alternatives would be okay:
with the feed allotment CUT by nearly half . . .
with the feed allotment DECREASED by nearly half . . .

So the meaning of the sentence changes with E because the phrase "their feed allotment by half" is nonsensical.

I wrote some other examples, all of which sound bizarre to me. I added corrections to most of them.
If the phrase I have highlighted in red does not strike as odd or nonsensical, maybe one of the examples will do so.

Nonsensical: her piece of chocolate layer cake by nearly half
-- her piece of chocolate layer cake increased by half
Nonsensical: his lemon ice cream scoop by nearly a third
-- his lemon ice cream scoop reduced by nearly a third
Nonsensical: their wine by nearly half
Nonsensical: our quota of cherries by nearly half
Nonsensical: my part of the bed by nearly half

• The non-underlined portion that contains raising requires a parallel verbal
-- "and" is a parallelism marker
-- what does AND join? Two things that the supplier does to make fish grow quickly
-- the non-underlined portion at the end contains raising, a present participle (verbING)
-- whatever is on the right hand side of AND must also be on the left side of AND.
The items must be parallel.

To meet the rapidly rising market demand for fish and seafood, suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as they grow naturally, with their feed allotment by nearly half and raising them on special diets.

We need "cutting."
. . . suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as they grow naturally, cutting their feed allotment by half and raising them on special diets.

I hope that helps. :)
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Growth rate can`t be fast, the growth can be...So A, B are out

Growing them naturally in C is awkward...We can not grow fishes, they grow naturally. C is Also out


Among D and E, D is the clear winner as E is in itself incomplete and lacks the essential meaning of the sentence.

Hence, the Answer is D
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the fourth uses a present participle (cutting) that is parallel to the other verbs in the sentence (growing and raising).

the fourth choice is best.
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Hello,

I would appreciate some feedback on my analysis of this question. To meet the rapidly rising market demand for fish and seafood, suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment by nearly half and raising them on special diets.

Since rate is a speed, it is illogical to say growing the fish twice as fast as their natural growth rate since a rate can't be fast. Had the answer choice stated the following: suppliers are growing fish at a rate greater than that of their natural growth rate, would this option be correct? I assume the their would refer to the fish as pronoun ambiguity has been discussed for this question. Please let me know if my thinking is correct as SC questions that involve the word rate trip me up. Thank you.
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