EGMAT Quant VS TTP Quant for Q49-50?-

Question

Hey,

I am a Indian Engineer and currently at a Q47.

I want to push my score to Q49-50.

I cannot decide between the EGMAT quant course VS TTP Quant course?

My view-

EGMAT

Pros- 
-Video format and clearer solution videos (I can just watch the end slide and figure out the soln instead of going through the ~10 mins videos) 
-Sections broken into sub sections that help me target weak areas quickly

Cons- 
-Some people have suggested against it as questions are not representative 
-They teach algebraic solutions more (indian exam methods) and less logical approaches (what GMAT tests) 
-I find their questions very lengthy (Avg time for most of the questions on their platform is >4mins)
-I find their questions and concepts little out of scope for the GMAT

But thats just me, maybe we need these concepts for tougher questions and I am aiming for a Q49-50.

TTP

Pros- 
- Most popular Quant programs 
- n number of success stories

Cons- 
Its in text format 
I hate studying math written in long english text format 
I think it is meant for western test takers whose high school quant was easier than India's hence finding some solutions to easy, boring, lengthy.

If anyone has experience with both or either - kindly share!

EgmatQuantExpert · Accepted Answer

Hi studyprep282 , From this post of yours and other posts over the last month, I can say one thing - you have a knack of expressing yourself well. I say this based on how well you have articulated the pros and cons of each course. This habit will serve you well in your MBA. Let me address how we can help you improve from a Q47. https://i.postimg.cc/Rh0HpNZG/Q49.jpg One data point that may be most relevant to you is the number of Q49+ scores. While both TTP and e-GMAT have delivered success, our students have accounted for a disproportionate number of Q49+ scores. Note, that these scores are driven by Quant 2.0 - our brand new quant course that we launched in July 2021. Each facet of this overhaul was created based on user feedback. You can read that feedback here: https://gmatclub.com/forum/quant-2-0-an ... 30147.html PACE architecture will get you there efficiently PACE stands for Personalized Adaptive Course Engine. Think of this as an engine that creates a custom course tailored to you needs. Since your starting score is Q47, PACE will ensure that you only do portions of the course you need help with. Here is a short demonstration of PACE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JAuRiS96ik Quality of questions To start with, the number of Q49+ scores is evidence of the quality of questions we have. This video further outlines how we test questions before we put them on the platform. Yes, there are some difficult questions.. but they are designed to help you score high. Remember, our goal is not to sugarcoat things for you but to make sure that you are prepared to succeed. Overall, as shown in the video, we reject questions that do not meet our quality standards. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI4qOmeI1js How should you decide No one can tell you which course is better. Your goal is to determine the course that works best for you. To do that, evaluate the courses based on the free trials that both companies offer. Go with the offering that works for you. In the end, it is your GMAT, your MBA, and your life. Happy learning! Payal

Dragoon088 · Answer

Ri26 - Rida Shafeek , you are another full-time employee at e-GMAT. So, for God's sake stop posting such make-believe reviews. It's just wrong to destroy the lives of countless GMAT test-takers. Okay? Reference: Your LinkedIn profile - https://www.linkedin.com/in/rida-shafeek-9b88191b9/ https://res.cloudinary.com/dfsyvclbe/image/upload/v1658174935/4_szwxf4.png https://res.cloudinary.com/dfsyvclbe/image/upload/v1658174934/5_fvi2lz.png https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4Cq8-weNZA No wonder 2000 out of the 2400 e-GMAT reviews on GMAT Club are fake, manufactored, or paid. Enough drama dealing with e-GMAT's dirty gimmicks on GMAT Club! Let me get back to work! Bye!

bhashkor123 · Answer

I tried EGMAT's trial version for 2 days and found that both quant and verbal sections are contained with too much weak logics and some mere shortcut tricks. I found the absence of contents that will help me to build the foundation and excel in the hard questions.

On the other hand, I first tried TTP's trial version to for 5 days and subscribed to a plans. There were mainly 3 reasons to choose TTP.
1. Both the quant and verbal section literally covers all the topics (especially the quant section) and has a great combination of both text and video explanations. 
2. The contents not only cover the tricks and shortcuts to excel in the test but also emphasize well enough on the concepts from the very scratch. However, if you are in a rush and want to skip, you can just take the chapter tests to be sure that you have a good grip on the topic.
3. During the learning period, you will get ample practice opportunities from time to time which makes the learning more effective.

BLTN · Answer

Dear studyprep282,
q47 is a perfect started point! I will not compare these two platforms because what does not work for me does not necessarily mean will not work for other. I used several top platforms and non of them brought
me the expected result. Eventually, I have took and now stick to the TTP because its well organized study plan and unique approach already have helped me to ameliorate my Quant score.

Concerning the aforementioned TTP cons, I would argue that they are indeed disadvantages.
Firstly, text format helps to make a notes of some concepts and formula because TTP pages are interactive. Then you can go back later when you need to refresh your knowledge.
Secondly, when you do the questions, you see in the bottom what particular topic in the chapter has been tested and can go directly to redo some practice questions and reread the material if necessary.
Ultimately, you have the opportunity to chat with TTP team to ask some questions concerning the material.

I would suggest to start free trial to decide which of those services works well for you.

Ri26 · Answer

Hi studyprep282 , Just wanted to add my 2 cents here since I used e-GMAT to get to Q49. I think since you are at such a high ability, the course will really work for you. I say this because the way their Quant course works is basis diagnostic tests that determine what modules you need to study and since you are starting at a higher ability, you would likely be indicated to skip many basic modules or concepts and rather focus on GMAT style questions while applying some 'process skills'. I found the course actually very helpful since I am not from a Quant background (humanities for the win!) and the entire approach was pure logic and very analytical and did not rely on the need to mug a bunch of formulae or remember complex theorems. Even in algebra (mentioning this since you are worried about an algebraic approach)- the methods are straight forward and not overly complicated. I also didnt feel as though I learnt anything that was out of scope with what I saw on OG or on the test. I hope my response helped! Feel free to pm me if you need any clarifcations

DisciplinedPrep · Answer

studyprep282  - I used Target Test Prep for my GMAT preparation and scored a Q50 on the test (TTP was a Quant-only course back then).

akash07 · Answer

Hi studyprep282 , I would like to present my views on this as I have used e-GMAT portal myself this year. I could not give the actual GMAT exam due to personal reasons, however, I used their portal extensively and I would highly recommend e-GMAT to any test taker starting at any level. I started off my journey with them with an overall score of 540 (Q35, V29). Was completely out of touch with quants for the past 5 years after my bachelors. Even then I could understand the process and methodology of solving any quants question. As rightly mentioned by Ri26 above, you would not need to rely on a bunch of formulae and theorems. GMAT is an exam of logical thinking and that is exactly what e-GMAT offers to the students. Also, their newly invented product "PACE" (Personalized Adaptive Course Engine) would be really helpful for you since you are starting at a higher ability. So, PACE engine would test you on a couple of diagnostic quizzes related to the specific topic and would then recommend you the chapters or modules you should go through to brush up your knowledge and the modules you can skip through. This allows students like you with a higher starting ability in quants to not waste time on already known concepts and to focus on weaker areas. All other test companies would ask you to go through all the modules unnecessarily. It would not be humanly possible for them to give you personalized suggestions based on your abilities and focus areas. Furthermore, you mentioned that you took around 4 minutes to read some quants questions. So e-GMAT has an entire module of Master Comprehension , which is actually a part of Verbal, but, that would help you in Quants as well. That module would help you to read strategically so that you can read and retain the stuff. That decreases the habit of re-reading and increases the reading speed. For you, along with PACE, Master Comprehension module would also be very useful. In addition to that, I can completely guarantee that you would not be taught any shortcuts in e-GMAT. That is something that might work for one or two questions but not in the entire exam. Their Quants 2.0 was really an eye opener for me. I really wish I could have completed the entire course and sit for the GMAT exam. In just 1.5 months journey with them (cut short due to personal reasons), I saw the improvement in my scores. If ever, I would have to go back to preparing for the exam, I would definitely go back to e-GMAT. I would suggest you to reach out to the support team of your shortlisted companies and talk to them about what they can offer you. Choose a company who can give you a personalized study plan and strategic advices backed by the data and technology. I hope this might help you. Feel free to reach out for any clarifications.

RashDecisions21 · Answer

DisciplinedPrep  - You have my respect because you have a 720 (with a Q50!) I also respect TTP since I have seen many success stories by their students and I understand the impressive metrics that they have. By the way, I have seen similarly impressive metrics on egmat as well.

So you had a good experience with TTP and want to recommend their course - understandable! However, your quoted statement is the funniest thing I've read this week, heck, even the entire month so far!

As someone who has seen learning systems 3.0, the entire world has moved from text to video and from video to interactive video. This is one reason why platforms such as edx, udemy, linkedin learning - All use video as their mode of instruction. I mean, if text was so useful, b-schools rather than having zoom and video lessons would put in pages of text.

Again, this is not to doubt any of the results that TTP has. They have a good product that has delivered results. But to say that text as a medium is more effective than video is same as saying let's ditch out smartphones and go back to landlines and pagers, stop using whatsapp and IMs and go back to letters and emails, stop using zoom and rely on con-calls where half the people are disengaged!

Srushtig · Answer

Hey studyprep282 , As someone who recently got Q49 on the GMAT and used the @e-GMAT course, I want to share my insights on this matter. I can't comment on TTP as I haven't gone through their course, but I can say one thing for sure: e-GMAT's Quant 2.0 works like a charm. I can say this because Quant was my weak area, to begin with. I improved my score from Q42 to Q49 just by using the course! I think the main reasons why this was possible are: -The course focuses on using a logical and structured approach. Nowhere during the course have I noted down any formulae or shortcuts. There is no need to do all that if you use a logical approach, and the course stresses this point. I am sure everyone who has actually gone through the course will agree with me here. After all, the GMAT is a test of logic, so a logical approach trumps shortcuts and gimmicks anytime! -The questions are very much in line with what is asked in the GMAT. This familiarity with the questions was one of the primary reasons I could stay calm during the test environment and excel. -I saved a ton of my study time because of the PACE architecture in Quant. We often think we know a particular topic and skip it based on our instincts. But doing so can be dangerous. We might not be aware of the loopholes in our thinking process. This is where the PACE comes in. It suggests you skip a topic after assessing your skills based on multiple data points. I was surprised at how accurate it is! In fact, I was initially skeptical about skipping, so I went through a subtopic despite the suggestion to skip it, only to discover that PACE was right all along. I actually knew everything about the topic I was suggested to skip. If anyone wants to save prep time, this is their best shot. I hope this helps!

Feel free to reach out to me in case you need any clarifications.

studyprep282 · Answer

Hey Payal,

Thanks for taking out your valuable time to reply to my post.

The video about your QC process is amazing! You guys put in the work like GMAC to be honest.

I just have a followup question -

On the platform I see the statistics graph on the right for many many questions (especially in the Inequalities and Abs Value modules) have an average time of >4 mins for ~40% students.
I understand the approach e-GMAT teaches is imp, and things like number picking wont always work on those questions.

But how to reduce this time to solve?

e-GMAT suggests to drop a question after spending 70% of takt time if not close to solution.
General view is to not spend >3mins on a question.

And I dont think within 2-3 months even after mastering the process I will be able to get this time down from 4 mins to 1-2 mins.

I have seen similar metrics in some other modules also.

This is one thing that makes me think that the Question aren't representative as they are testing long algebraic calculations instead of helping us see the hidden logic behind the Qs which GMAT tests. ( Its just my view I might be completely wrong I am no GMAT Expert)
Compare it with any question statistics on GMATClub - Even a question with 95% ability will have an average time of <2.5 mins.

Would love to hear your side on this.

I want to point that the way you present solution is AMAZING! 
I dont have to go through the entire solutions (spending 10 mins) and can quickly glance and get all the takeaways! I love studying the e-GMAT way!
I am certain you guys spend 10x the effort.

Cheers!

EgmatQuantExpert · Answer

studyprep282 , Thank you so much for appreciating the hard work that the e-GMAT team puts in with the singular goal to make our students successful in a predictable manner. Let me now address your concern about the difficulty level of questions. Here is how the difficulty level of questions spans across the three sources from easy to hard. Official guide and mocks < actual exam < e-GMAT questions. And now put this into perspective as you watch this interview from 23' to 26'. https://www.loom.com/share/805db6fd0836 ... 19368a2dd6 I just finished speaking with Javiera after her journey from 640 to 770 (Q50, V47) and thought that listening to her about Quant questions may address your concerns! Let me know if you have any other questions.

Dragoon088 · Answer

What is happening in this thread? Very fishy!

Dragoon088 · Answer

I'm in a dilemma. Should I share my findings with the rest of the community?

Dragoon088 · Answer

Srushtig - Srushti Ganamukhi , you are a full-time e-GMAT employee. So, STOP creating such posts on GMAT Club. In the future, no employer will hire you, and no business school will admit you if you continue to indulge in such fraudulent practices. Let students decide which course is best for them. Okay? Reference: Your LinkedIn profile - https://www.linkedin.com/in/srushti-ganamukhi/ https://res.cloudinary.com/dfsyvclbe/image/upload/v1658173309/1_iva48a.png https://res.cloudinary.com/dfsyvclbe/image/upload/v1658173309/2_oqysgs.png https://res.cloudinary.com/dfsyvclbe/image/upload/v1658173309/3_el0xsr.png

Dragoon088 · Answer

Srushtig - Srushti Ganamukhi , you are a full-time e-GMAT employee. So, STOP creating such posts on GMAT Club. In the future, no employer will hire you, and no business school will admit you if you continue to indulge in such fraudulent practices. Let students decide which course is best for them. Okay? Reference: Your LinkedIn profile - https://www.linkedin.com/in/srushti-ganamukhi/ https://res.cloudinary.com/dfsyvclbe/image/upload/v1658173309/1_iva48a.png https://res.cloudinary.com/dfsyvclbe/image/upload/v1658173309/2_oqysgs.png https://res.cloudinary.com/dfsyvclbe/image/upload/v1658173309/3_el0xsr.png

Dragoon088 · Answer

ag07 - Akash Aggarwal - Swiftly changing your username from Akash to Ag is not going to help. We do not live in the stone age, so stop childish activities. Your role is to devise strategies at e-GMAT, and these are your strategies: cheating, lies, manipulation, deceit?

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AG2511 · Answer

Hi studyprep282,

I am currently pursuing the E-GMAT course.. i have given the exam twice before the E-gmat course and scored Q48 both times. Apart from of all the good things you hear about the course, one thing that I’m truly benefitting from is the handholding they provide to you when it is recognised that you’re struggling with a topic. 
After 2 Q48s I trust that the new approach to conquer a question taught in the curriculum will help me overcome the plateau. 
Hope this helps!

Posted from my mobile device

AG2511 · Answer

Hi studyprep282,

I am currently pursuing the E-GMAT course.. i have given the exam twice before the E-gmat course and scored Q48 both times. Apart from of all the good things you hear about the course, one thing that I’m truly benefitting from is the handholding they provide to you when it is recognised that you’re struggling with a topic. 
After 2 Q48s I trust that the new approach to conquer a question taught in the curriculum will help me overcome the plateau. 
Hope this helps!

Posted from my mobile device

EgmatQuantExpert · Answer

Dragoon088 , The crux of your argument is that e-GMAT has not delivered success. You have even gone on to imply that 2000 out of the 2400 reviews are not real. Since you have such excellent investigative skills, why don’t you prove your claim! Fact - Since 2020, e-GMATers have posted upwards of 300 reviews. I want you to prove that a mere 1% of those reviews are not real. For your effort, I would be happy to pay you $1000 if you find three reviews since 2020 that are not real. Here is the definition of a real review: 1. It should be written by a unique real person. 2. That real person should be an e-GMAT student. They should have purchased a paid course. 3. The score mentioned in the review should be a real score. 4. The content of the reviews should be representative. For example, if the student has mentioned that they benefited from analytics then they should truly have benefitted from the same. Again, given your claims, this should be a cakewalk for you. You have mentioned that 5 out of 6 reviews are fake. I am just asking you to prove that 1% are fake. One more thing - many students who have given us a review are also on our YouTube channel. You can use that to verify the same. You would probably find ~100 out of the 300+ students there. e-GMAT YouTube Let me know what your findings are. You can share the same at rajat@e-gmat.com.

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