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Hi,

I have a confusion. I am unable to reason with B as the final solution since the passage explicitly mentions "Stroke symptoms are similar to those of a heart attack but may pass more quickly, leading victims to believe that there is no need to seek the timely medical treatment required to avoid major long-term complications" This part directly states that the victim is able to recognise symptoms but disregards them as they are short-lived.

I chose A as the answer. While I understand why A is wrong, I just don't get how B is correct.
Can anyone please help? Bunuel
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Thank you for posting your question and doubt!
There is indeed a flaw in the argument and I agree with your point that while A is a trap answer that can be ruled out after reading an explanation (a nasty trap), B can be hard to justify as the passage says that people can indeed detect the symptoms and the passage should never be conflicted by the answer choice, esp. if we expect it to be correct.

I have modified the passage to remove that reference. Don't think it added any value anyway and I have added 2 weeks of GMAT Club Tests to your account as a thank you for helping improve this question!


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I have a confusion. I am unable to reason with B as the final solution since the passage explicitly mentions "Stroke symptoms are similar to those of a heart attack but may pass more quickly, leading victims to believe that there is no need to seek the timely medical treatment required to avoid major long-term complications" This part directly states that the victim is able to recognise symptoms but disregards them as they are short-lived.

I chose A as the answer. While I understand why A is wrong, I just don't get how B is correct.
Can anyone please help? Bunuel
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OMG Thank you so much ! Happy to help. I’m very new to GMAT Club so this means a lot to me. Thanks again:’)bb
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I initially considered B (that stroke victims can't recognize their own symptoms) as a limitation to the program's success. My concern is that the program's educational materials would include the important fact that while stroke victims may not recognize their own symptoms, those around them can often identify the symptoms.

If we accept B as the correct answer, we are implicitly questioning the soundness of the program’s design despite knowing that its a known fact that self-identification of stroke signs is unlikely. It’s a stretch to assume that the designers of the program, who likely understand this critical point, would have missed such an important detail.

Thus, I wonder if the question is placing too much weight on this limitation without considering that the program would also educate family and friends on how to recognize the signs of a stroke. Can anyone clarify why B is the best answer given this concern?

I would choose A, as if the education isn't delivered to people actually having a stroke, then it's unlikely the plan will work.
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Thank you for the question!

Where is the "known fact that self-identification of stroke is unlikely" coming from in your analysis? Where is that fact in the passage?

For A, it is a trap answer, yes, it would help the most people and it is a weakness of the program if most stroke victims had no diagnosed risk factors but the program is focusing only on people who manifest risk factors. Very sad but that is what the question writer chose to write about 😢.



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I initially considered B (that stroke victims can't recognize their own symptoms) as a limitation to the program's success. My concern is that the program's educational materials would include the important fact that while stroke victims may not recognize their own symptoms, those around them can often identify the symptoms.

If we accept B as the correct answer, we are implicitly questioning the soundness of the program’s design despite knowing that its a known fact that self-identification of stroke signs is unlikely. It’s a stretch to assume that the designers of the program, who likely understand this critical point, would have missed such an important detail.

Thus, I wonder if the question is placing too much weight on this limitation without considering that the program would also educate family and friends on how to recognize the signs of a stroke. Can anyone clarify why B is the best answer given this concern?

I would choose A, as if the education isn't delivered to people actually having a stroke, then it's unlikely the plan will work.
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Thank you for the answer!!

This helps me understand.

I wrongly believed that answer choice b is part of the passage, and hence "known fact that self-identification of stroke is unlikely". Within the context of the stem, this fact doesn't exist.

I also wrongly expanded the scope of the plan to all patients, regardless if they have risk factors or not.


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Thank you for the question!

Where is the "known fact that self-identification of stroke is unlikely" coming from in your analysis? Where is that fact in the passage?

For A, it is a trap answer, yes, it would help the most people and it is a weakness of the program if most stroke victims had no diagnosed risk factors but the program is focusing only on people who manifest risk factors. Very sad but that is what the question writer chose to write about 😢.



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I initially considered B (that stroke victims can't recognize their own symptoms) as a limitation to the program's success. My concern is that the program's educational materials would include the important fact that while stroke victims may not recognize their own symptoms, those around them can often identify the symptoms.

If we accept B as the correct answer, we are implicitly questioning the soundness of the program’s design despite knowing that its a known fact that self-identification of stroke signs is unlikely. It’s a stretch to assume that the designers of the program, who likely understand this critical point, would have missed such an important detail.

Thus, I wonder if the question is placing too much weight on this limitation without considering that the program would also educate family and friends on how to recognize the signs of a stroke. Can anyone clarify why B is the best answer given this concern?

I would choose A, as if the education isn't delivered to people actually having a stroke, then it's unlikely the plan will work.
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Great! There are some common traps in CR including mixing answers with passage and also using information from other answers - it gets tricky during the stress of the test.


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This helps me understand.

I wrongly believed that answer choice b is part of the passage, and hence "known fact that self-identification of stroke is unlikely". Within the context of the stem, this fact doesn't exist.

I also wrongly expanded the scope of the plan to all patients, regardless if they have risk factors or not.

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Does anyone else disagree with the official solution here? Maybe I'm missing something but option (A) seems correct, not (B).


Official Answer: (A) The program is not aimed at first-time stroke victims who did not have risk factors prior to their first stroke. Rather, the program is aimed at patients who have risk factors for a stroke. Thus, choice (A) would not limit the extent to which the program meets its goal.

Given the program's focus on patients with risk factors for a stroke, wouldn't the extent of the program's effect then be significantly limited, since it would then only be applicable to those who already had a stroke?

Official Answer: (B) Stroke symptoms, while readily identifiable by those around stroke victims, are rarely perceived by the stroke victims themselves The educational materials are designed to encourage stroke victims to seek adequate medical attention when they experience stroke symptoms. But if stroke victims themselves are rarely aware of the fact that they are experiencing stroke symptoms, they will not be able to act on this advice. This would limit the extent to which the program meets its goal, so keep (B).

This seems like a classic trap answer - appearing to attack the validity of the premises provided. First "manifest in ways that are easily confused with less severe medical issues, leading victims to underestimate the urgency of their condition" implies they can perceive the symptoms. Also, why would doctors review the materials with those with risk factors for a stroke, while emphasizing "recognizing and acting on symptoms immediately" if the individuals did not have the ability to perceive the symptoms ?
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Does anyone else disagree with the official solution here? Maybe I'm missing something but option (A) seems correct, not (B).


Official Answer: (A) The program is not aimed at first-time stroke victims who did not have risk factors prior to their first stroke. Rather, the program is aimed at patients who have risk factors for a stroke. Thus, choice (A) would not limit the extent to which the program meets its goal.

Given the program's focus on patients with risk factors for a stroke, wouldn't the extent of the program's effect then be significantly limited, since it would then only be applicable to those who already had a stroke?

Official Answer: (B) Stroke symptoms, while readily identifiable by those around stroke victims, are rarely perceived by the stroke victims themselves The educational materials are designed to encourage stroke victims to seek adequate medical attention when they experience stroke symptoms. But if stroke victims themselves are rarely aware of the fact that they are experiencing stroke symptoms, they will not be able to act on this advice. This would limit the extent to which the program meets its goal, so keep (B).

This seems like a classic trap answer - appearing to attack the validity of the premises provided. First "manifest in ways that are easily confused with less severe medical issues, leading victims to underestimate the urgency of their condition" implies they can perceive the symptoms. Also, why would doctors review the materials with those with risk factors for a stroke, while emphasizing "recognizing and acting on symptoms immediately" if the individuals did not have the ability to perceive the symptoms ?

A) could be a correct answer choice but for a different question wording. Yes, A could prove that the program is not efficient because it doesn’t consider people who haven’t had symptoms identified and therefore not included in the program and therefore say that the program he’s not meeting bigger goals of as many people as possible.

But... this is where the but comes in by the way. As an experience critical reasoning student, you were probably anticipating.

Read carefully the details of the proposed program:

As a result, the medical center has implemented a program requiring doctors to review educational materials with all patients who have risk factors for a stroke


The program is gated and limited just to the population of people who have had factors identified for stroke. This means that the group of people that answer choice a talks about is outside of the scope of the program. These people will never come to the doctor for this kind of a consultation. Similarly, people in another city will not come to this program and they’re also outside of the scope, this is the program is focusing only on those who had risks already identified.

The reason A) it’s not the answer is that the program has put its goal to focus only on people who have been identified to have a risk and to say that the program doesn’t need the goal is because there are other patients or other people who are not included in the program they’re still at risk is not a valid argument.

Imagine that somebody has **** some goals such as we want 90% of people who had identified previously to have stroke symptoms to be addressed taken care of. The measurement is have you reached the 90% target or not. The measurement is not focusing on outside populations of greater scope.

Sorry if I said the same thing three times, I’ve been struggling to pinpoint the essence of it.
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According to me, this is a very well-crafted question where it's easy to get carried away with the context if enough focus isn't present while reading the argument. If I have to break down this argument, it says

Premise:
  • People with stroke face major complications because they are not treated quickly
  • People underestimate stroke symptoms, confusing them with less severe issues
Conclusion:
  • The medical center will review material with patients having risk factors for a stroke, to help them recognize and act on symptoms
Weaken the plan?

A. Most first-time stroke victims have not been previously diagnosed as having risk factors for a stroke.

This is a standard trap in many GMAT questions where the scope of the discussion is shifted. The conclusion specifically targets people with risk factors and how they could be saved from major complications. In the real world, you might want to prevent such mishaps for as many people as possible but that’s out of scope for this discussion. The medical center is only concerned with a specific group, and that group doesn't have to be first-timers. Don’t get carried away by what should universally work; focus on what the argument is actually trying to do.

B. Stroke symptoms, while readily identifiable by those around stroke victims, are rarely perceived by the stroke victims themselves.

Although subtle, this can directly impact the validity of the plan. Even if the medical center works with high-risk patients to stress the importance of recognizing these symptoms, the plan breaks down if the patients themselves can’t actually identify the symptoms when experiencing a stroke. The whole goal of reducing major complications fails because the very people being educated aren’t capable of acting on that knowledge when it matters most.

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Does anyone else disagree with the official solution here? Maybe I'm missing something but option (A) seems correct, not (B).


Official Answer: (A) The program is not aimed at first-time stroke victims who did not have risk factors prior to their first stroke. Rather, the program is aimed at patients who have risk factors for a stroke. Thus, choice (A) would not limit the extent to which the program meets its goal.

Given the program's focus on patients with risk factors for a stroke, wouldn't the extent of the program's effect then be significantly limited, since it would then only be applicable to those who already had a stroke?

Official Answer: (B) Stroke symptoms, while readily identifiable by those around stroke victims, are rarely perceived by the stroke victims themselves The educational materials are designed to encourage stroke victims to seek adequate medical attention when they experience stroke symptoms. But if stroke victims themselves are rarely aware of the fact that they are experiencing stroke symptoms, they will not be able to act on this advice. This would limit the extent to which the program meets its goal, so keep (B).

This seems like a classic trap answer - appearing to attack the validity of the premises provided. First "manifest in ways that are easily confused with less severe medical issues, leading victims to underestimate the urgency of their condition" implies they can perceive the symptoms. Also, why would doctors review the materials with those with risk factors for a stroke, while emphasizing "recognizing and acting on symptoms immediately" if the individuals did not have the ability to perceive the symptoms ?
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Hi, I still did not understand why B. I thought even if other people can sense the danger, the urgency can be there right. Meanwhile with D it is like the info is already available so what new can be achieved from this program
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Hi, I still did not understand why B. I thought even if other people can sense the danger, the urgency can be there right. Meanwhile with D it is like the info is already available so what new can be achieved from this program

I can say that all of the information about the GMAT has been readily available on the internet for many years, yet there are many books and many people buy these books, so the fact that information is available somewhere does not mean it is known. What value is a GMAT Math book on roots and fractions adds? We have even studied this in school and college :angel:
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Hi, I still did not understand why B. I thought even if other people can sense the danger, the urgency can be there right. Meanwhile with D it is like the info is already available so what new can be achieved from this program
Well, the information can indeed be on the Internet, but it is not clear if people have read it or are familiar with it. I don't think we can assume availability = popularity in this case.

However, I still have some doubts about choice B
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As a result, the medical center has implemented a program requiring doctors to review educational materials with all patients who have risk factors for a stroke, stressing the importance of recognizing and acting on symptoms immediately
I believe the goal as stated in the question is to equipped doctors with knowledge about risk factors of a stroke, plus being able to recognize them quickly so that appropriate actions can be taken promptly. Choice B, on the other hand, focus on stroke patients and the danger of neglecting the symptoms, but these are not the target of the medical center's program. If the goal is to effectively reduce the number of severe stroke cases overall, I would have agreed with choice B more easily.

I mean, I can see the link, but it seems a bit far-fetched in my opinion.
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bb, option B is conflicting with the validity of the premise itself. "The study notes that while stroke symptoms can be intense, they often manifest in ways that are easily confused with less severe medical issues, leading victims to underestimate the urgency of their condition". This line shows that symptoms are perceived by the stroke victims themselves, the only concern is that they confuse these symptoms with less severe medical condition. Please review this question.
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Very good point! I agree with you. This question was written by a very famous GMAT expert (not me :angel:) and you have found a weak spot in it - that's very commendable! I have provided you with a 2-week access extension to the GMAT Club tests.

P.S. I have an easy fix to the option B to make it be not conflicting.

B) Stroke symptoms, while readily identifiable by those around stroke victims, are rarely perceived to be serious by the stroke victims themselves.

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bb, option B is conflicting with the validity of the premise itself. "The study notes that while stroke symptoms can be intense, they often manifest in ways that are easily confused with less severe medical issues, leading victims to underestimate the urgency of their condition". This line shows that symptoms are perceived by the stroke victims themselves, the only concern is that they confuse these symptoms with less severe medical condition. Please review this question.
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I guess, that's not serving the purpose as well becuase it is just rephrasing the question stem itself " victims confuse the stroke symptoms with less severe medical issues". Becuase of their lack of seriousness in identifying the symptoms, a program is being introduced to make them aware of the criticality of the symptoms.
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Very good point! I agree with you. This question was written by a very famous GMAT expert (not me :angel:) and you have found a weak spot in it - that's very commendable! I have provided you with a 2-week access extension to the GMAT Club tests.

P.S. I have an easy fix to the option B to make it be not conflicting.

B) Stroke symptoms, while readily identifiable by those around stroke victims, are rarely perceived to be serious by the stroke victims themselves.


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