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Until 2010, a state tax regulation known as the “80-20 rule” required that condominium associations receive at least 80 percent of their gross income from their tenant-shareholders, and no more than 20 percent from other sources, like ground-floor rent for restaurants.

• Until 2010, a state tax regulation known as the “80-20 rule” required that condominium associations receive at least 80 percent of their gross income from their tenant-shareholders, and no more than 20 percent from other sources, like ground-floor rent for restaurants.
• Until 2010, a state tax regulation known as the “80-20 rule” requiring that condominium associations receive at least 80 percent of their gross income from their tenant-shareholders, and have no more than 20 percent from other sources, such as ground-floor rent for restaurants.
• Until 2010, a state tax regulation known as the “80-20 rule” required condominium associations to receive at least 80 percent of their gross income from their tenant-shareholders, and have no more than 20 percent from other sources, such as ground-floor rent for restaurants.
• Until 2010, a state tax regulation known as the “80-20 rule” required that condominium associations receive at least 80 percent of their gross income from their tenant-shareholders, and have no more than 20 percent from other sources, such as ground-floor rent for restaurants.
• Until 2010, a state tax regulation known as the “80-20 rule” required condominium associations to receive at least 80 percent of their gross income from their tenant-shareholders, and to have no more than 20 percent from other sources, like ground-floor rent for restaurants.
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Solution: A

Explanation: The primary difficulty in this question refers to a false decision point between “such as” and “like”. Generally speaking, you use “such as” when what follows is an example of what precedes it and you use “like” when you are making a comparison. However, grammar experts do not agree on this usage and many top editors (including most at the New York Times) permit the usage of like in examples like “colors like pink and red.” Be careful about applying rules that you think are strict when they really are not: in math 2 + 2 is always 4 but in grammar there are few absolutes. Therefore, at the end both “like” and “such as” are acceptable so you must find other decision points. In (B) there is no active verb as “requiring” is just a participle. In (C), (D), and (E) “have no more…” is incorrect: you do not “have 20% of your income from other sources” you “receive 20% of your income from other sources”. Only (A) gets the predication correct: “require that associations receive at least 80% from this…, and no more than 20% from other sources” The comma confuses some students but it is there to make it clear that the first part ends after “from shareholders.” The sentence is really “receive at least 80% from this and no more than 20% from this…”. Answer is (A).

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I almost fell into the trap of "like" and "such as" but then found atleast one error in each of those answer choices except A. "when I looked at "have no more", it made me suspicious since it didnt make sense and drifted my thinking away from "like" and "such as". The only option left out was A.

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I almost fell into the trap of "like" and "such as" but then found atleast one error in each of those answer choices except A. "when I looked at "have no more", it made me suspicious since it didnt make sense and drifted my thinking away from "like" and "such as". The only option left out was A.


But this was one of the trickiest question I have ever seen.
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Tricky question. thanks for posting. I fell for "such as". I knew "and have no more..." is wrong but "such as" trumped it. wrong! Something to remember.
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Only A seems grammatically correct completely.
B doesn't have a working verb.
In C & E,'required condominium associations' changes the intended meaning.
In D,'have' is not required.

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Tricky question. thanks for posting. I fell for "such as". I knew "and have no more..." is wrong but "such as" trumped it. wrong! Something to remember.


True this one was really tricky a tricky question.
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Is this a OG source question? If it is not then the question does not seem logical to me.

What magazine editors think of like and such as is irrelevant in GMAT.

A also can also be treated as incorrect on ground of 'Such as' Vs 'Like'. This idiom is a make or break as per GMAC.

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Is this a OG source question? If it is not then the question does not seem logical to me.

What magazine editors think of like and such as is irrelevant in GMAT.

A also can also be treated as incorrect on ground of 'Such as' Vs 'Like'. This idiom is a make or break as per GMAC.


This is a Veritas question. I think we should request some expert to comment on this.
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I also got confused between 'Such as ' and 'like'. I am still not able to understand how 'other sources' can be compared to 'ground-floor rent for restaurants'? Experts - can you help?

"other sources, like ground-floor rent for restaurants"

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Veritas gives this solution-

Solution: A

Explanation: The primary difficulty in this question refers to a false decision point between “such as” and “like”. Generally speaking, you use “such as” when what follows is an example of what precedes it and you use “like” when you are making a comparison. However, grammar experts do not agree on this usage and many top editors (including most at the New York Times) permit the usage of like in examples like “colors like pink and red.” Be careful about applying rules that you think are strict when they really are not: in math 2 + 2 is always 4 but in grammar there are few absolutes. Therefore, at the end both “like” and “such as” are acceptable so you must find other decision points. In (B) there is no active verb as “requiring” is just a participle. In (C), (D), and (E) “have no more…” is incorrect: you do not “have 20% of your income from other sources” you “receive 20% of your income from other sources”. Only (A) gets the predication correct: “require that associations receive at least 80% from this…, and no more than 20% from other sources” The comma confuses some students but it is there to make it clear that the first part ends after “from shareholders.” The sentence is really “receive at least 80% from this and no more than 20% from this…”. Answer is (A).

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I have learnt in fact most of us-
Like: comparison
Such as: Examples.

This question and its application is challenging my entire understanding and Knowledge about Sentence Correction.

In the initial Full reading i realized that question has nothing wrong accept like, but then I searched for options that has such as.



Just have a question on Option D : (trying to clear my concept) : as per the Stem this is wrong answer.

Until 2010, a state tax regulation known as the “80-20 rule” required that condominium associations receive at least 80 percent of their gross income from their tenant-shareholders, and have no more than 20 percent from other sources, such as ground-floor rent for restaurants.

Can we have a structure like [color=#00ffff]Bossy verb + Noun + That + Command subjunctive ( receive) , and ( have) ........[/color]
why will be this Option wrong in "D" . both verbs ( receive & Have) are in subjunctive mood with same subject ( condominium associations) and are parallel. Doesn't this construction make it right usage of (Have).

I am sure i am missing something in my explination......:-)

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honchos wrote:
Veritas gives this solution-

Solution: A

Explanation: The primary difficulty in this question refers to a false decision point between “such as” and “like”. Generally speaking, you use “such as” when what follows is an example of what precedes it and you use “like” when you are making a comparison. However, grammar experts do not agree on this usage and many top editors (including most at the New York Times) permit the usage of like in examples like “colors like pink and red.” Be careful about applying rules that you think are strict when they really are not: in math 2 + 2 is always 4 but in grammar there are few absolutes. Therefore, at the end both “like” and “such as” are acceptable so you must find other decision points. In (B) there is no active verb as “requiring” is just a participle. In (C), (D), and (E) “have no more…” is incorrect: you do not “have 20% of your income from other sources” you “receive 20% of your income from other sources”. Only (A) gets the predication correct: “require that associations receive at least 80% from this…, and no more than 20% from other sources” The comma confuses some students but it is there to make it clear that the first part ends after “from shareholders.” The sentence is really “receive at least 80% from this and no more than 20% from this…”. Answer is (A).

My Doubt-
I have learnt in fact most of us-
Like: comparison
Such as: Examples.

This question and its application is challenging my entire understanding and Knowledge about Sentence Correction.

In the initial Full reading i realized that question has nothing wrong accept like, but then I searched for options that has such as.



Just have a question on Option D : (trying to clear my concept) : as per the Stem this is wrong answer.

Until 2010, a state tax regulation known as the “80-20 rule” required that condominium associations receive at least 80 percent of their gross income from their tenant-shareholders, and have no more than 20 percent from other sources, such as ground-floor rent for restaurants.

Can we have a structure like [color=#00ffff]Bossy verb + Noun + That + Command subjunctive ( receive) , and ( have) ........[/color]
why will be this Option wrong in "D" . both verbs ( receive & Have) are in subjunctive mood with same subject ( condominium associations) and are parallel. Doesn't this construction make it right usage of (Have).

I am sure i am missing something in my explination......:-)



In (C), (D), and (E) “have no more…” is incorrect: you do not “have 20% of your income from other sources” you “receive 20% of your income from other sources”.

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honchos wrote:
Veritas gives this solution-

Solution: A

Explanation: The primary difficulty in this question refers to a false decision point between “such as” and “like”. Generally speaking, you use “such as” when what follows is an example of what precedes it and you use “like” when you are making a comparison. However, grammar experts do not agree on this usage and many top editors (including most at the New York Times) permit the usage of like in examples like “colors like pink and red.” Be careful about applying rules that you think are strict when they really are not: in math 2 + 2 is always 4 but in grammar there are few absolutes. Therefore, at the end both “like” and “such as” are acceptable so you must find other decision points. In (B) there is no active verb as “requiring” is just a participle. In (C), (D), and (E) “have no more…” is incorrect: you do not “have 20% of your income from other sources” you “receive 20% of your income from other sources”. Only (A) gets the predication correct: “require that associations receive at least 80% from this…, and no more than 20% from other sources” The comma confuses some students but it is there to make it clear that the first part ends after “from shareholders.” The sentence is really “receive at least 80% from this and no more than 20% from this…”. Answer is (A).

My Doubt-
I have learnt in fact most of us-
Like: comparison
Such as: Examples.

This question and its application is challenging my entire understanding and Knowledge about Sentence Correction.

In the initial Full reading i realized that question has nothing wrong accept like, but then I searched for options that has such as.



Just have a question on Option D : (trying to clear my concept) : as per the Stem this is wrong answer.

Until 2010, a state tax regulation known as the “80-20 rule” required that condominium associations receive at least 80 percent of their gross income from their tenant-shareholders, and have no more than 20 percent from other sources, such as ground-floor rent for restaurants.

Can we have a structure like [color=#00ffff]Bossy verb + Noun + That + Command subjunctive ( receive) , and ( have) ........[/color]
why will be this Option wrong in "D" . both verbs ( receive & Have) are in subjunctive mood with same subject ( condominium associations) and are parallel. Doesn't this construction make it right usage of (Have).

I am sure i am missing something in my explination......:-)



In (C), (D), and (E) “have no more…” is incorrect: you do not “have 20% of your income from other sources” you “receive 20% of your income from other sources”.


Thanks!!!
Got it, difference between A and D is of the usage in meaning rather than structure.

Now coming back to same question on structure :

Is the verb Receive in ellipse before the second phrase in option "A"

Until 2010, a state tax regulation known as the “80-20 rule” required that condominium associations receive at least 80 percent of their gross income from their tenant-shareholders, and ( receive) no more than 20 percent from other sources, like ground-floor rent for restaurants

IS the verb receive in this option in ellipse and understood bcs of parallelism or it's not there at all.

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Thanks!!!
Got it, difference between A and D is of the usage in meaning rather than structure.

Now coming back to same question on structure :

Is the verb Receive in ellipse before the second phrase in option "A"

Until 2010, a state tax regulation known as the “80-20 rule” required that condominium associations receive at least 80 percent of their gross income from their tenant-shareholders, and ( receive) no more than 20 percent from other sources, like ground-floor rent for restaurants

IS the verb receive in this option in ellipse and understood bcs of parallelism or it's not there at all.


Yes you are correct.
The actual ellipsis is -

Until 2010, a state tax regulation known as the “80-20 rule” required that condominium associations receive at least 80 percent of their gross income from their tenant-shareholders, and ( receive) no more than 20 percent of their gross income from other sources, like ground-floor rent for restaurants.

As long as the meaning is clear......ellipsis makes sense.

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Hi,

Can one of the experts please help out in this question? it seems this is a veritas prep question, which has an answer solely derived from the 'wrong' idea we have about 'like' not being suitable for providing examples. MGMAT says that 'like' should not be used for examples and veritas says it can be. Someone please resolve this issue as it is a critical comparison module in GMAT.

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I still don't get why you can't have income and only receive income.

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Can one of the experts please help out in this question? it seems this is a veritas prep question, which has an answer solely derived from the 'wrong' idea we have about 'like' not being suitable for providing examples. MGMAT says that 'like' should not be used for examples and veritas says it can be. Someone please resolve this issue as it is a critical comparison module in GMAT.

Would appreciate a quick response.

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I believe GMAC is bowing down to the way English is spoken. We use 'Like' in everyday english to introduce examples.

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