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I don't understand why US News props up mid-tier public schools so much. They certainly aren't bad schools, but I don't think the recruiting companies and placement stats of OSU or Minnesota are indicative of top 25 caliber schools. Funny methodology, IMO.
I agree. Living in the DC area I can tell you that employers would never view Georgetown and Maryland as being on the same level.

I live in the DC area and I contemplated applying to MD but not Gtown because I feel that MD has a strong rep. and there is a huge Smith billboard on your way into Gtown, I found that rather amusing.
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I may have overstated my point. At my company, we have hired from both schools, but while the GT grads usually take the same positions as grads from top b-school schools, MD grads have typically been lumped in with the undergrads we get from top schools.
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I thought Ross would move into 8th or 9th spot.

This ranking doesn't shock me. In fact, this looks more reasonable than the BW ranking.
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I don't understand why US News props up mid-tier public schools so much. They certainly aren't bad schools, but I don't think the recruiting companies and placement stats of OSU or Minnesota are indicative of top 25 caliber schools. Funny methodology, IMO.
I agree. Living in the DC area I can tell you that employers would never view Georgetown and Maryland as being on the same level.

I live in the DC area and I contemplated applying to MD but not Gtown because I feel that MD has a strong rep. and there is a huge Smith billboard on your way into Gtown, I found that rather amusing.
I may have overstated my point. At my company, we have hired from both schools, but while the GT grads usually take the same positions as grads from top b-school schools, MD grads have typically been lumped in with the undergrads we get from top schools.
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Wow, so you are saying that a MBA from Smith receives the same compensation as a Bachelors from a top Ugrad! That sucks...good thing I did not apply to Smith. Maybe I was just not impressed with Gtown, heck I am headed to a lower ranked school but I was just really impressed with their program. That goes to show that for some ppl rankings do not matter all that much. Now I am trying to figure out why I was the one who started this forum :wink:
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wow, UCLA fell.
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If this poll is real, then this fall is the largest fall in the history of US News Ranking... The previous biggest drop over the last decade is 4 spot when duke dropped from 7 in 2004 to 11 in 2005.
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wow, UCLA fell.

If this poll is real, then this fall is the largest fall in the history of US News Ranking... The previous biggest drop over the last decade is 4 spot when duke dropped from 7 in 2004 to 11 in 2005.
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Are you referring to just top 15-20 schools? Because I know there have been larger falls in the past few years if we are including all schools.
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Great!

I went to Dallas few months back, and loved the weather and the fast high ways !!

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Fast highways are a plus! I cannot wait!
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Fast highways? Houston? If your suggesting low traffic - mmm... I don't think so!
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Great!

I went to Dallas few months back, and loved the weather and the fast high ways !!

cheers

Fast highways are a plus! I cannot wait!

Fast highways? Houston? If your suggesting low traffic - mmm... I don't think so!
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Obviously the statement was directed to the outskirts of the city. Houston's traffic is horrendous, although I am coming from DC so it will be a relief to me!!!! :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
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wow, UCLA fell.

If this poll is real, then this fall is the largest fall in the history of US News Ranking... The previous biggest drop over the last decade is 4 spot when duke dropped from 7 in 2004 to 11 in 2005.

Are you referring to just top 15-20 schools? Because I know there have been larger falls in the past few years if we are including all schools.
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Yeah just top 20 schools... i forgot to mention that... honest mistake...
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I don't understand why US News props up mid-tier public schools so much. They certainly aren't bad schools, but I don't think the recruiting companies and placement stats of OSU or Minnesota are indicative of top 25 caliber schools. Funny methodology, IMO.
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No offence ment to you eazyb but I'm not sure you know enough of OSU to comment on its placements stats. for your info, please've a look at this link

https://fishermba.osu.edu/career/career_employment_stat.php

I agree that it does not have a very high reputation as some of the top tiers but its still a great bet in the midwest . Besides, the ranking also considers ROI and Fisher gives a very good ROI for its MBA program. The operations/SCM concentraion in the MBA program @ Fisher is widely reputed and ranks amongst the Top 10. Overall, Fisher does have the potential to be a Top-25 program. I guess with the frenzy for the top 10 in this club, it sure is difficult for many people to know about the other 'good' programs. Just takes an open mind and some research to find about them.

Disclaimer : I am a Fisher admit for the class of 2009.
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I don't understand why US News props up mid-tier public schools so much. They certainly aren't bad schools, but I don't think the recruiting companies and placement stats of OSU or Minnesota are indicative of top 25 caliber schools. Funny methodology, IMO.

No offence ment to you eazyb but I'm not sure you know enough of OSU to comment on its placements stats. for your info, please've a look at this link

https://fishermba.osu.edu/career/career_employment_stat.php

I agree that it does not have a very high reputation as some of the top tiers but its still a great bet in the midwest . Besides, the ranking also considers ROI and Fisher gives a very good ROI for its MBA program. The operations/SCM concentraion in the MBA program @ Fisher is widely reputed and ranks amongst the Top 10. Overall, Fisher does have the potential to be a Top-25 program. I guess with the frenzy for the top 10 in this club, it sure is difficult for many people to know about the other 'good' programs. Just takes an open mind and some research to find about them.

Disclaimer : I am a Fisher admit for the class of 2009.
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Hey man, don't get me wrong, i'm not saying OSU is a bad program - far from it. However, I think the top 25-30 should be reserved for more national programs that carry a more prestigious brand name, and at this time I don't feel OSU has that.

Personally, I think Hjort's cluster ranking system is about as close to perfect as you can get. OSU is a very solid Near Elite Frontier program that has strong regional ties in the midwest.
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Hmm.. that way all the regional schools have to get a separate ranking, something in the format the WSJ follows. But,i suppose if there is one way to compare the national and regional programs, its only from this US news or BW ranking. Anyways, ultimately what matter is what 'we' do in the program. :-D
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Here are the rest of them....now I am starting to think I should have chose Vandy :?


29. Michigan State
Texas A&M
U of Washington
Wisconsin
Washington U in SL

34. Penn State
Vanderbilt
36. Rochester
37. Florida
UIUC
39. Boston C
Notre Dame

41. ASU
Babson
Boston U
BYU
45. Tulane
46. UC-Davis
U of Georgia
48. Rice
49. Wake Forest
50. U of Iowa
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Here are the rest of them....now I am starting to think I should have chose Vandy :?


29. Michigan State
Texas A&M
U of Washington
Wisconsin
Washington U in SL

34. Penn State
Vanderbilt
36. Rochester
37. Florida
UIUC
39. Boston C
Notre Dame

41. ASU
Babson
Boston U
BYU
45. Tulane
46. UC-Davis
U of Georgia
48. Rice
49. Wake Forest
50. U of Iowa
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Please man, don't question yourself based on this arbitrary ranking. Last year Vandy was 49th....are you really going to tell me they improved that much this year, or they were that bad the previous year?

The rankings are fun to talk about, but that's about it. Use placement stats, recruiting companies, and discussions with current and former students to help make your decision. Rice and Vandy are both great schools, especially in finance, and this ranking or the next ranking won't change that.
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Here are the rest of them....now I am starting to think I should have chose Vandy :?


29. Michigan State
Texas A&M
U of Washington
Wisconsin
Washington U in SL

34. Penn State
Vanderbilt
36. Rochester
37. Florida
UIUC
39. Boston C
Notre Dame

41. ASU
Babson
Boston U
BYU
45. Tulane
46. UC-Davis
U of Georgia
48. Rice
49. Wake Forest
50. U of Iowa

Please man, don't question yourself based on this arbitrary ranking. Last year Vandy was 49th....are you really going to tell me they improved that much this year, or they were that bad the previous year?

The rankings are fun to talk about, but that's about it. Use placement stats, recruiting companies, and discussions with current and former students to help make your decision. Rice and Vandy are both great schools, especially in finance, and this ranking or the next ranking won't change that.
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I know, it just sucks to see the program drop that you chose and the other one rise 16 spots! Oh well, I have already ordered way too much Rice Sh!T (t-shirts, hats , sweat shirts...etc) to not go there....but eazy that has to be nice for you to see cause you are most likely going to Vandy right?
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I know, it just sucks to see the program drop that you chose and the other one rise 16 spots! Oh well, I have already ordered way too much Rice Sh!T (t-shirts, hats , sweat shirts...etc) to not go there....but eazy that has to be nice for you to see cause you are most likely going to Vandy right?
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Yeah i'm about 80% sure i'm going to Vandy - I still have a decision pending with Carnegie Mellon and will be interviewing with them in about two weeks, but it's a toss-up on whether I get admitted. Even if I do, i'm not sure I would go to Tepper, since I felt a great "fit" when I visited Vandy and met current and prospective students.
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I know, it just sucks to see the program drop that you chose and the other one rise 16 spots! Oh well, I have already ordered way too much Rice Sh!T (t-shirts, hats , sweat shirts...etc) to not go there....but eazy that has to be nice for you to see cause you are most likely going to Vandy right?

Yeah i'm about 80% sure i'm going to Vandy - I still have a decision pending with Carnegie Mellon and will be interviewing with them in about two weeks, but it's a toss-up on whether I get admitted. Even if I do, i'm not sure I would go to Tepper, since I felt a great "fit" when I visited Vandy and met current and prospective students.
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Yeah I liked Vandy too, but I also like Rice a lot....so I went with $$. Well good luck with Tepper, it would be nice just to get an admit from them even if you decided not to attend.
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I know, it just sucks to see the program drop that you chose and the other one rise 16 spots! Oh well, I have already ordered way too much Rice Sh!T (t-shirts, hats , sweat shirts...etc) to not go there....but eazy that has to be nice for you to see cause you are most likely going to Vandy right?

Yeah i'm about 80% sure i'm going to Vandy - I still have a decision pending with Carnegie Mellon and will be interviewing with them in about two weeks, but it's a toss-up on whether I get admitted. Even if I do, i'm not sure I would go to Tepper, since I felt a great "fit" when I visited Vandy and met current and prospective students.
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Cool..I'm actually waiting on a decision from Vandy as we speak. I'm in at Georgia Tech, and leaning towards going there, but if I get in to Vandy..i might be swayed by the better brand name..

When I visited Vandy, I was really impressed w/ the program..
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good to see USC marshall climbing back up to where it used to be years ago.
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Anyone know what UIUC is? I would assume it would be UC Irvine as they were 38th last year in the rankings.
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USNews rankings are Bullsh*t. Don't use these rankings to dictate where you will attend.
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